The Best States To Live In When A Pandemic Strikes

Rich M.
By Rich M. February 21, 2020 10:37

The Best States To Live In When A Pandemic Strikes

In October of 1347, 12 ships from the Black Sea docked at the Sicilian port of Messina. The people who were gathered on the dock were shocked to see over half the sailors laying on the decks of those ships, dead. Even though officials ordered the ships back out to sea immediately, it was too late. The Black Plague had landed and would ravage Europe over the next five years, killing over 20 million people.

The Black Plague was a bacillus, a rod shaped bacteria. Today, we’d be able to battle this plague with the antibiotic streptomycin. But in the 14th century they not only didn’t have antibiotics, they didn’t understand how bacterial diseases were spread. The people of the world were helpless in the face of the deadliest disease that had ever struck.

Even though medical science has a better understanding of the spread of disease today, there are still diseases which we are largely helpless against. Antibiotics work well against bacterial infections, but they don’t do a thing against viruses. Hundreds of millions of people become infected with influenza per year, a viral infection, with some 61,000 dying of it, yet there is no antiviral medicine to combat this common disease. The body must defeat it on its own, or die trying.

This is why vaccines are so important. Vaccines are a less virulent form of the virus, which causes the body’s immune system to develop antibodies which can defeat it. That way, if the person becomes infected with the actual virus, their bodies are ready to defeat it.

But vaccines don’t exist for all viruses. The only vaccine that has been developed for the deadly virus Ebola will kill roughly 20% of the people who it is administered to. While that’s much better odds than the 80% mortality rate of the disease, it isn’t better for the people who wouldn’t be exposed to Ebola and contract the disease. A nationwide vaccine campaign would kill millions of people who would otherwise be safe.

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There is no magic solution for the risk of a pandemic. For some, the only reason why they will live is the draw of the cards. But that’s not saying we can’t stack the deck in our favor. Based on how such diseases spread, chances for survival would probably be higher in these states:


If there’s anywhere that you could survive a pandemic, it’s probably Alaska. This state has the lowest population density of any part of the United States. Even its cities are fairly small, with Anchorage, the state’s largest city, housing over 40% of the population, having a grand total of 297,832 people.

Of course, an epidemic could spread through those 300 thousand people, just as well as it could spread through the millions living in some of our largest cities. But there are a lot of people living in remote areas of Alaska, who don’t have regular contact with the outside world. If anyone is going to survive a worldwide pandemic, it’s these people. Some may not even know what happened to everyone else.

Surprisingly, the cold in Alaska won’t kill the pathogens that cause disease. It will slow them down, but it won’t kill them. It’s actually easier to kill those microscopic pathogens with heat, than with cold. But I don’t know anywhere in the country where it reaches 158°F during the day, not even in the summer.


If we want the lowest population, we need to move just a little farther south, to Wyoming. Like Alaska, there are a lot of wide open spaces in Wyoming, areas where you won’t see anyone for miles. There’s lots of game, ranching and farming to provide you with food. The biggest part of the state’s agriculture is in cattle, but the state is known for growing grains, hogs and sheep as well.

Of course, you need to pick an isolated part of the state to live in, if you want to avoid the disease. But there are plenty of those to choose from. Just avoid the cities and Yellowstone National Park, and you should be okay.

The Colorado Rockies

My personal preference is to ride out the pandemic in the Colorado Rockies. I’d avoid the eastern part of the state, even though it’s all farms. But there are plenty of places in the Rockies where you can hide out and not see anyone for days. This makes it a great bug out location for a lot of disasters.

Having spent time in the Rockies, I can attest to the hunting and fishing there. While you might end up competing with a lot of other people for the opportunity to hunt and fish, if you find an isolated enough area, you should be able to live off the land well, just like in Wyoming, Montana and Alaska.


Since I live in Texas, I feel compelled to add it to this list. But there are some good reasons to do so anyway, even though Texas has a huge population. But it’s a huge state, so that population is pretty well spread out, if you avoid the major cities.

There are places in West Texas where you can drive almost 100 miles between gas stations, let alone anything else. Of course, there’s not much water in those areas, so make sure you bring plenty along. You wouldn’t want to run out… especially in the heat of the summer.

What makes Texas really attractive as a place to ride out a pandemic, or any disaster, for that matter, is that it’s the number one ranching state in the nation. More cattle are raised in Texas, than the next two biggest cattle producing states combined (Nebraska and Kansas). While I doubt that any Texas rancher will be all that happy with you killing off their herd, you can probably come to some sort of accommodation, buying a steer from them.

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Southwest – Heat and Sunlight Kill Viruses

Texas has another advantage, which it shares with its neighbors to the west. That’s lots of sunlight. Temperatures are high in states like Arizona because of all the sun they receive. That’s good, from a pandemic point of view, especially if it is a viral pandemic, like Ebola or the coronavirus. You see, sunlight, especially the ultraviolet light contained in sunlight, is deadly to viruses. So all you have to do, to keep yourself safe from infection, is to spend a lot of time outdoors, especially if you’re meeting someone.

Granted, the hot climate of the southwest is a little bit difficult for us humans to live in too, but it’s not fatal to us. We can survive it, while the viruses can’t.

Georgia – CDC

Georgia is unique in all the states, in that it is the home of the CDC, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, one of our government’s crown jewels. This research facility will be at the front lines of stopping any pandemic that occurs, regardless of where it happens. They are the ones who will be isolating and defining the organism that causes the disease, as well as developing any cure for it.

I figure that any cure will be applied there in Georgia, near where the CDC is located, in Atlanta. That’s why I’ve placed Georgia on this list. Other than that, I’d say the state isn’t ideal, as the population is too high and it’s harder to find isolated places to ride out the pandemic. But then, I know a few good old boys who have homes stuck back in some hard to get to places. Maybe I’ll pay them a visit.

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Rich M.
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  1. Wizzardlevel9 February 21, 14:57

    Pretty good, but there are BIG cons to the places you named as well. Alaska and Nebraska is deadly cold without protection. The southwest is deadly dry with out massive supply of water. As far as me, I would go to the remote swamps of Louisiana where it is so remote that you can’t access by car, horse or walking. Even as you said about west texas, the gas stations my be 100 miles apart but still easy to drive right up to them in a car. We have hundreds of thousand of acres in the swap that are inaccessible by all but a few types of specialized (not regular) boats. Not only that but lost of tree cover to be hidden. some of these places have never seen people before also,,, and abundant source of both food and water, wild game and FISH, without deadly cold. The only con is the mosquitoes, but if you know how to use the native plants, you can make your own repellent. and even if you had to bring a can of store bought spray or small 2 oz bottle of oil. That tiny bottle is easily concealed and would last weeks so its very easy to pack a more that a year supply for an entire family for 2 years in one backpack unlike water. And I don’t have to have to worry very much about the deadly cold either.

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    • Prepper In Training February 21, 15:56

      By your description of the locations and remoteness, the movie Deliverance comes to mind….

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      • Wizzardlevel9 February 21, 20:32

        I have never seen that movie. Doesn’t that involve some kind of psycho murdering or eating people? whatever the case, that is extremely rare to non existent in Louisiana (unless you were someone that deserved it). I know this will offend a lot of people but those kind of things happen more frequently in Texas and Florida. Anyway, In the swamps it’s really to remote for those kind of people. Most social deviants don’t want to be in a remote swamp……too difficult for them and no victims to be had. You are way more likely to be “done in” by the environment there than anything else. great place “if you know what your doing and have some basic skills” Don’t watch too many movies, because it will give you false impressions like the one you have.

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        • red February 22, 08:40

          wizard: think the Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia. I in Appalachia from N. Carolina to Maine, and all points west. We all watched the movie and said yep, kin is kin. Stranger equals enemy. Under SHTF, times ten. How many cites are in your state? Swamps are full of food. Fish and Game in all states are complaining of razorback hogs–meat. Plenty of fish where you are. Maybe gators and snakes, as well, all sold as gourmet foods in cities. Plenty of places for drug lords to hide, and hordes of hungry people trying to escape the death traps of the cities.

          where I live, we have a tri-town area covering state routes, and it’s 35 miles to get to Tucson, 100 to Phoenix. I-10 is miles away, but no more than 45 miles. but, summer forget foot traffic. If you don’t have 4-heel drive, forget most back roads, and all state routes are already covered.

          Water, desert dry, but all land is owned or leased by ranchers. Ranchers have wells, all wells are mapped by law. All tinaja (water tanks, natural or dams) are, as well. Unless you’re from here, it’s unlikely you’d know where to find a map showing them. Most about here are preppers. All ranchers are. City people in the southwest will strike at urbanites and unless stupid, will stay out of areas they don’t know. Mines are common. Most cattle here will use you for a football. But, many city people are from ranching families. If a stranger shows up and is like-minded, they’re respected. You can’t afford to do that.

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          • Wizzardlevel9 February 22, 21:00

            Louisiana is not Appalachia or eat coast. I wouldn’t be “anywhere neat the east coast in SHTF. To me there is no way to square that one, but I think the desert are is bad all as you mention “wells”. I don’t wan to be anywhere that water is scarce and even worse,,, to have it,,,, you have to be tied to that location that location that has that well. Also,, most of the desert like area is wide open,,,,, all bad things to me. Water is of the utmost importance and primary necessity for survival… going where it is scarce, no beuno. Yes, in south Louisiana There are many cites but most are very small. Yes some people can try to flee into the swamps but most won’t get far. It’s a pretty rough environment if not deadly for someone who is unprepared for it. But lots off food, water, fish and game. Sound like a logical place to flee to for the average mind fleeing an urban area but i’m not concerned about them and i will explain why. 1st, you can walk just about anywhere in the USA. you can walk though the desert if you have an umbrella and pack of water. You can walk up a mountain in Appalachia if you have strong legs, but you not going to be able to drive, backpack or otherwise walk into the deep inner swamps without very specialized boats. Regular boats won’t work well. without knowing what Plants and animals are poisonous and dangerous and how to avoid them,,, you won’t last long… Trust me on that one. We have tonnes of poisonous everything such as snakes, worms, grass, vines,flowers, insects, trees with needle sharp spines, spiders even ants that may kill you. some of fly, some slither, some are underwater. And even if you avoid all that, i simple scratch cut could turn septic very quickly. Trust me,,, the average person who thinks they can flee there won’t last long. It’s a paradise for a knowledgeable, healthy, skilled person,,,,, but a hellish nightmare for anyone else. So for me,,, having the knowledge and skills,,,, it’s a paradise. I have been in and around this area all my life. I was camping at 2 weeks old with my parents “true story” so I’m quite knowledgeable and comfortable in that environment. Also, the swamps are no deadly cold, hot, or dry,,,, and it’s not wide open. It’s dense, dangerous, not easily accessible and concealed. for anyone that don’t want to be found then good….. but you better know what you are doing because the reason they may not find you is because you are dead or eaten. gators and snakes are easy to avoid “if you know what to look for” For the knowledgeable and skilled who want to remain quite and peaceful then great place and you can live there quite comfortably. I wouldn’t recommend it for someone who doesn’t have the skills and knowledge no more than I would try to trek across a desert without protection from direct sunlight and water. In the same way you would need those 2 things to cross the desert, you need a lot knowledge and skill for the deep inner swamp otherwise you won’t last very long. Otherwise, it’s a paradise (but with cypress tree and mud instead of palm tree and sand). LOL

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            • red February 23, 08:03

              Never said AZ was, chico, but given how important the ports are, Louisiana may not survive. You have three majors against you, hurricane season, New Mad fault, and you sit at the foot of Cancer Alley. Post-SHTF, first major hurricane and old Miss shifts course west. Then what? She’s been eager to do that for almost a century. You’re a man. When the lady says no, she means no. New Mad gets bad, what happens to all the dams on her tributaries? Last ice age, she carved canyons into solid rock until enough ice melted to let the water back in the St. Lawrence. No place is an Elysian Fields. You have peat and mud under you.

              There are major cities all up and down the Miss. What happens when the wandering starts, and one always starts as refugees move out. Most will be armed. Maybe not good, but I heard plenty of stories about the Korean War from uncles. Invasions will come in waves, not masses of people. A lot of city folk are from the country, some a generation removed, but they love to study, too. One of the most popular mags in New York is Countryside Small Livestock. It teaches prepping. Libraries are common, and all of them have how-to books on survival.

              Water here is plentiful. You need to know where to find it. Like with Louisianan, it’s loaded with parasites. You need to know what is safe and what isn’t. Outsiders will try barrel cactus and that crap is toxic. Like an old desert rat told me when I was a kid, if it ain’t got thorns, horns, or fangs, it’s poison. And because of that, Az is a major bugout for Kali. Solar is booming here. My area can get snow in winter, but no sleet. Arsenic wells are mostly in the southwest part of the state, not here. We have too much copper, yes. Silver used to be cheap, as well, and like copper that’s a major killer of parasites.

              How many pirogue on the bayous? They’re not that hard to make. Any boat, if the people are desperate, will float into the bayous. Again, city people study things. They have the same bugs times ten in the cities. Same animals. All most lack is personal experience. We’re country and we have a saying, quick on the brain or quickly dead. Ranchers and farmers joke going to war is a vacation, compared to working livestock and little kids.

              I got a nasty puncture wound and it healed, no problem. Back east, my stepson got scratched by a cat and two days later was in the hospital with sepsis. 4 years in and out of battle zones without being wounded. He come home and a tom put him in the hospital 🙂 No, the average person won’t live long there or here, but the next couple of hundred will watch and learn. You average 70+ people per square mile, we have about 60+. Most of ours live in cities or close to the interstates. We have a nice little house, taxed at 59K and in the last few years, value jumped to 90K because people want to live here because it’s mostly quiet here, thanks to being Indian Country. niio

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              • Wizzardlevel9 February 23, 14:58

                Yes. You have good points but I thought about all that.
                We lived in the Bayous for a couple of hundred years “before” the levees and flood control was put in place.
                camps on stilts account for the seasonal flooding. The thing about not being tied to a water source like a well, is that having it all around you can be mobile. I’m not tied to my camp. If someone happens to wander into my vicinity, move. I can avoid being seen. I lived though many hurricane include the 2 worst in recorded history with zero damage. why? because i was prepared and i was not foolish. I mean seriously… what idiot builds a house right on the ground in a flood zone? The answer; many!, when power went out, I was the only one as far as i could see that had power. not one light around except mine. I don’t live in in Elysian fields where yes i know it used to be all mud below sea level. I’m nowhere near New Orleans. there is much more and bigger swamps elsewhere than the ones near Near New Orleans. Yes, there are things to content with and possible negatives that you mention but you plan for those things. I don’t think any place is perfect. You can go to the top of the the extreme of Himalayan mountains or Antarctica,,, not many people going to try to go there but look how extreme it would be for anyone to try to live there as well. So, even the most extreme places have extreme negatives. You have to way the pros and cons. I don’t know much about the arsenic wells or different types of cactus. I’m fairly proficient and knowledgeable about the swamp though. I can say this, I have seen studied conducted by survival experts that have strategically analyzed the best place in the US to live in a SHTF and/or living off the land and 2 of them agreed that the number one thing they say is to be in area if high rain fall and lots of water. In fact in a strategical analysis the spot i live (the sweet spot) the in not far north but not directly on the coast, comes out nearly the top place in the USA for survival off the land. my exact spot came out number 2 spot of anywhere. the only reason I didn’t get number one was the last and least most strategically important things to consider was amount of population in the area that are rely on government assistance. It not for that one being on the 10 ten list, then my spot would would be top. But being pretty close to be is good enough for me. Also. that analysis was done by county basis, account for rural major rural areas within a particular county. So, if you had one bad spot in the entire county then it would skew the analysis for that particular area. It may not be perfect as no place is, but in all, its about as close as you can get and I’m happy with that.

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                • red February 23, 17:59

                  Where you are comfortable at is where you should bugout. You know the area, the people, who to avoid, who should fatten gators–we all have our little A-list. 🙂 I pointed out the good, the bad, the ugly in my area. Like you, I know the score. While I might survive there, I lived in an area called Swamp on a Hillside, in Penna, for years, I’d grow mold out my ears.

                  I came home to Arizona, to an area south of my old stomping grounds because God led me here. Not kidding. I was looking at other places, when out of boredom, waiting to hear more on those places, I checked this out. Asked for info. Next thing you know I’m signing papers and talking to the VA rep and then had a copy of the deed. God did that. God put you there. I pointed out things to watch for because you need to worry a little. And, you sounded too confident. Do not never ever allow that. I don’t plan on making it, too many health issues–but am setting things up if the kids want to come. If not, then the neighbors have extra.

                  There are a half-dozen places I could go, but this is home. People ask me because I teach and am always on a learning curve, but would wind up a burden. Some people will do best in a city, where they know what to expect. Most, especially urbanites, will start the wandering.

                  We will be invaded; prophecy is clear on that. Most people in the cities will die but also buffer what’s going to come our way. According to prophecies, 1-10 will die in the bombing and invasion–and the invasion will be as we had it in the Korean War. Folks on Indian reservations are stockpiling as fast as they can, and doing it in hidden canyons well away from lowlands and urban centers. Ancient dams put in by ancestors over a thousand years ago are being rebuilt. Lots of mesquite, agave, yucca and canyon palms going in. Lots of salt brush because animals love it, and with sb, there’s no need to worry over losing salt through sweating. The dams are not to hold water, but slow it so silt is trapped, then sub-irrigated wild, hidden crops.

                  Hollyweird is indoctrinating and teaching how to murder without remorse. Hitler said, “I want to raise a generation of young people devoid of conscience – imperious, relentless, and cruel.” Hollyweird has done it. Niio because in the end, God wins; God’s glory is the triumph of man.

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              • Wizzardlevel9 February 23, 15:37

                Red. I’m aware of all that. I studied the wandering of the lower Mississippi river quite extensively not only for survival but living in that area is just a fascinating thing to me. Your right that it wants to change course. the army core of engineers is currently “forcing it” to continue it’s current course. it’s only a mater of time before some accident or failure accrues. Most people in South Louisiana are aware of that. Funny thing is,,, same as with the hurricanes,,,,though people are aware, they do nothing about it or make contingency plans. Even worse.. they leave themselves vulnerable despite the known dangers. I would say it’s not that they don’t know, but that they don’t care. They are much more concerned about comfort and indulgence of every type and kind over prudent judgement and decisions.

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                • red February 23, 18:46

                  Yeah, like the black mold ‘hoods in NO, it’s deadly to breathe the air, but people stay. Same in the northeast, same bad. But, you state and the ne are losing people, as well. Years ago, sociologists who were preppers recommended living at least 70 miles from any interstate because of the wanderers. Alas, Babylon by Pat Frank was an eyeopener when I was a preteen.–not the movie, but the book about surviving the aftermath of nuclear war. Dad bought it for me, and I’ve been into things ever since. niio

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          • Bulldozer1701 February 24, 13:48

            Wild life populations were reduced to a critical level during the depression when we had half the population. Wild life will be depleted in one year after SHTF. If you expect to eat deer and rabbits you will be disappointed. As far as keeping livestock you had better have a place to keep them pinned up at night. And you had better have plenty of friends staying with you so several can stay up all night watching. In my opinion you would need no less than 20 able body men just to keep some form of security. Just think about police stand offs. 20 cops versus 2 or 3 idiots thinking they can hold them off until doomsday. The police aways get their man. Lone wolf will become dead wolf in a very short order.

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            • red February 24, 18:41

              Agreed. When Obama was still wrecking the economy, I was in Penna, east-central. The first animals to disappear were stray dogs. Then cats. I had people asking if groundhogs were good to eat. Yes, and then every groundhog disappeared. Live traps for small rodents disappeared off hardware store shelves, then a large rat population disappeared (mining country area). Song bird and forget seeing a duck or wild goose. By the end of a year, you brought the dog inside at night.

              The odd thing is, no one raided home gardens or farms. Even kids who do it for fun (it is an adventure) stopped. Liberal politicians were in a tizzy because anything eatable (canna lilies, and other native plants) or smokable (datura) they planted in public flower beds was gone. Acorns, black walnuts, wild apples, all gone as they ripened. Even Japanese knot weed was taken as a green. In one summer alone we must have given away a thousand amaranth seedlings. My son and I love to fish and hunt. Most of what we caught was given away and people who never ate game meat found they liked it. Cousins who own farm markets had people asking for work and to be paid in produce or chickens.

              I’m back home in Arizona, and neighbors are asking how to grind mesquite, which most ate when the Babbitts (D) were killing the economy (Carter depression). niio

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              • jb March 8, 21:05

                I think you need to read up on your politics. A lot of BS out there and you seem to believe in every bit of it. Contrary to your beliefs, both red and blue are good and bad. Read up red!

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                • red March 10, 05:09

                  jb: I know you can’t be talking to me. We call politics our second religion, and we’re very religious. People are people. the difference between red and blue is, blue is mostly whining, spiteful, and grossly out of touch. And, of course, their love of Hitler and anything Nazi. But, if you actually checked before posting, you would know that and not have posted. Reds are supposed to stand for anti-slavery (original meaning of tax is to make a bond slave), pro-people. It’s been against family regs, and all 20,000 in the ‘family’ follow this, to vote for a liberal. We do not vote for even conservative dems simply because voting for one empowers all of them. so you see, we’ve been studying politics for untold centuries, and didn’t start just last week.

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    • Dolphin February 21, 21:32

      Alaska is huge and most of it is along waterways. I have an off grid log home that is remote but only a 20 min boat ride from my car and another 13 mi to town from there. The weather is the near same as the Seattle area. A perfect place. Trouble is ppl seem to thi k of AK with only Fairbanks and Anchorage in mind

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      • Wizzardlevel9 February 22, 00:34

        yeah, It’s like when they think of Louisiana, they either think of swamps or New Orleans,,,,or Pairs as if that is the only place that exist in France. I have never even once; heard any american mention any other city in France, except Paris. When i went to France, I went to several cities. I wanted to go to 16 but only made it to 9 of them. I ran out of time and money,,,,,,lol. In regards to AK though,,,, it’s stunningly beautiful but,,, even the warmest place there in insanely cold to me…. I live in south Louisiana it rarely goes below 32deg and even the northern half of the state is too cold in the winter. The coldest temp I have even been in was 4deg F. and that was in 2 states north of Louisiana. That was insanely cold to me. It hurt my bones and face. Where i Live is tropical 9 months out of the year and I can grow almost anything including oranges and banana and etc. and We have about the highest rainfall in the country. the variety i can grow and the rainfall is the 2 most important things to me.

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        • harleybagheera November 21, 21:37

          We moved from Denver suburb (Littleton) in 1981, to northern British Columbia, and lived off the grid to learn how to survive. After that, we lived about 20 miles outside of a good sized town (still in northern BC) – on 17 acres – nearest neighbour 1/2 mile away – had electricity, wood-burning furnace, 30 gpm well – and always had moose in the yard year-round, bear sightings every couple of weeks, owls, coyotes, deer, full mix of wildlife.

          The temperature got down to -45 for three weeks straight every winter, so we dressed for it. -45 for 3 weeks straight kills germs, viruses, flu bugs, everything. We were never sick during that 18 years we were there, and raised our kids. Odd mosquitos/black flies in the spring, but that’s it. No bugs, snakes, spiders, alligators, fleas, ticks, etc. Winter kill keeps it healthy. Our nearby town was as civilized as anyone would need – great modern hospital, grocery stores, gas stations, university, theatres, schools, churches, library, Auroras at night year round, long days to grow food in summer. Absolute silence at the end of the day, after working in town all day. It was inland, nice altitude, level, totally forested. Long hot summer days – no pollution and definitely NOT humid. It got dark day and night in the winter, but was light day and night in the summer.

          I have spent time in all of the states, except for Hawaii, and I don’t mind missing that one. Without central air, in the south, I could never feel dry enough. I could never live further east than Missouri or Iowa. In cold areas, you simply read the thermometer and put on more clothes if you’re going outside. In the South or southeast you can only take off so many layers and remain decent!

          I’ve been a serious gourmet cook for 45+ years, so I always had tasty meals. I DID like to forage in the bush though, too. There isn’t much better than a hot bowl of cream of fiddlehead fern soup or shaggy mane mushrooms sauteed in butter with a med rare moose steak. I even fix them now, even if I have to import it – which I do!

          The one kind of food they didn’t have in northern BC was Mexican, and I can’t think of any worse tragedy than that! Once a year we would drive the 600 km south to Vancouver, and really stock up. I knew many people that lived in our town that had never even seen an avocado, or eaten an enchilada. You just “do what you gotta do” – keep yourself stocked up with what you like!

          My grandmothers grandmother was a Cherokee medicine woman who had to walk the Trail of Tears to Oklahoma, where I still have some scattered relatives. When she died, she left behind her written down “recipes” for the medicines she used, so I copied them and now know how to put together whatever medicines we will need in the future, by scrounging the bush or growing it myself.

          People can, and will, survive whatever is coming if they start early enough, research enough, and don’t mind working at it. It’s a harder/busier lifestyle, yes, but we can no longer expect our future to have fast food joints, trucked in groceries, iphones, and Netflix. It will require gathering new and different skills: like knowing how to tan a hide, make WARM moccasins, parkas by plucking lower belly-to-bum goose feathers (it doesn’t hurt them, and they grow back), learning what’s safe to eat and what isn’t, making your own gunpowder, and what it takes to make your house impenetrable.

          We’ll all be in this together one day, so make some trustworthy friends, learn to shoot well, keep yourself alive, and have some cash & trade-goods to barter with. We’ll be OK.

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        • DevilDogMarine March 8, 19:36

          Sounds like you’re down in Plaquemine Parish. I’m up in Washington Parish which is sparsely populated. I used to work offshore and fish down that way.

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    • Mudbug/Mary February 22, 20:31

      Great to see you in here! Yep, you are right! Sportsman’s paradise in God’s country 🙂 Crayfish, fish, shrimp, blue crabs etc etc etc. Don’t worry about mosquitoes, if you have enough Avon Skin-So-Soft or Softening dryer sheets to stick in your pockets you’ll be ok. lol

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    • CasualPrepper February 24, 17:47

      Can you please share your natural mosquito repellent recipe?

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    • woodchuck February 27, 14:42

      You failed to mention all the poisonous critters that abound in the swamps. Better pack some anti-venom and know a medical professional.

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  2. Illini Warrior February 21, 16:18

    you start figuring in Alaska and Hawaii into SHTF plans you better hope that the chuck wagon express stays rolling …
    both are highly dependant on re-supply of just about everything that makes the world go round …

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  3. Teri February 21, 16:27

    What do you think about colonial silver for fighting against pandemic?

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    • Maddie February 21, 17:46

      Colloidal silver. And yes, it’s great!

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    • la0508 February 21, 18:03

      You mean colloidal silver, not colonial! Colonial silver will help you out when the gold/silver market stops being manipulated so that the price rises naturally to its proper level. Don’t know for sure how colloidal silver will affect this virus, but good to give it a try.

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    • Markco February 21, 18:17

      COLLOIDAL SILVER I believe is the silver bullet.
      Use a nebulizer to get it into your lungs and blood.

      Getting Colloidal Silver Into the System,
      Quickly and Effectively

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    • left coast chuck February 21, 19:16

      Go to and read what that website has to say about colloidal silver. It looks as if predictive has altered your post to make it colonial silver which probably is quite valuable these days but not for the use about which you are inquiring.

      In addition, while I generally despise the EPA and its bureaucratic miasma, they forbid the discharge of silver into waste water streams. I haven’t followed those regulations since I retired, but when I had my printing company and the silver discharge regulations were first announced, if one turned on the faucet in Reno, Nevada and let the faucet water run down the drain straight from the faucet you were in violation of the EPA silver discharge regulations because the city water of that city at that time contained more dissolved silver than the EPA allowed to be discharged into waste streams.

      Those regulations significantly affected the printing industry because at that time silver was used extensively in the negatives that were used in the printing process and it was customary to just pour the used developer down the drain. After those regulations were enacted, printers were supposed to hire a toxic waste disposal company to haul the silver containing developer to a treatment plant — at considerable expense, I might add because at that time there were few toxic waste haulers and they were free to charge what they wished with no competition.

      As WebMD points out in their article, using a home colloidal silver generator is risky business because without adequate testing of the end product, the home generator of such material has no idea what the strength of the solution is at any given time with any given batch. In order to possess that knowledge, each batch must be tested individually to ascertain the strength of that particular batch of the solution.

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    • J.B. February 21, 19:18

      That would be “colloidal” silver. It’s good for many things. I’d rather not have to deal with finding it though although you can buy a generator and boil your water to mix with it.

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      • EddoeW February 21, 21:38

        Amazon now has the 250PPM colloidal silver!!! Also have 500PPM but easy to overdose!!

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        • RRT February 22, 02:43

          I don’t want to turn grey/blue. It really happens and once you turn color, there is no going back. I met someone who had turned.

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    • EddfieW February 21, 21:34

      Now even Amazon has the 250 PPM Colloidal Silver!! Yes, they have the 500PPM too, but easy to overdose using it!!! Turn blue!

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    • Retired RN February 22, 02:42

      For anyone using household bleach, the correct amount is 1 part bleach to 9 parts water. This will kill all viruses including HIV. Do not add more bleach as it has to be diluted to work. Otherwise the molecules will stick to each other and not bond to bugs to kill them.

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      • Plantdoc February 22, 04:58

        Keep in mind that bleach loses its potency rather rapidly. Be sure to date the bleach bottle when you purchase it so you can increase the amount to use as its potency decreases.

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    • Lonnie G February 27, 17:51

      There is only one way to kill viruses…extreme temperature and vacuum at the same time…ergo, the surface of the sun! Nothing kills viruses, only some bacteria. There are mutated bacteria that we have no means to kill other than in an autoclave. Above 250 degrees, at 17 psi, for a minimum of about 20 minutes usually kills bacteria.

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      • red February 27, 19:29

        Lonnie: When the creepy couple, the Clintons, were selling whole blood on the market, most of it from convicts, a lot of people caught viral diseases. AIDs was one. I think it was up in Canada where people on kidney dialysis accidentally had their blood heated a few degrees too much. Each of the sick ones recovered, no more sign of the disease.

        More, When the Spanish flu epidemic hit the Healers, one of which was a great-grandfather, had people using zinc and brass utensils, and wearing zinc. Backing that, as much fruit and spruce buds as they could find. And, very few of us died.

        As for as researchers can find out, corona is like a severe cold. Zinc and Vitamin C = Zicam B. niio

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  4. sue4idaho February 21, 17:36

    I would add Montana and Idaho to the “safer in a pandemic” list. Those states have a little higher population than Wyoming but they are similar in the amounts of population DENSITY once you are out of the town as there is a lot of space between folks. Montana and Idaho are also a little warmer and sunnier than aforementioned Alaska so if the Southwest U.S. is seen as being beneficial weather wise in a viral situation, it stands to reason that Montana and Idaho would also be better weather-wise than Alaska. It balances out…

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  5. Someolboy February 21, 17:46

    Laissez les bons temps rouler !

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  6. Markco February 21, 17:59

    COLLOIDAL SILVER I believe is the silver bullet.
    Use a nebulizer to get it into your lungs and blood.

    Getting Colloidal Silver Into the System,
    Quickly and Effectively

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  7. JR February 21, 18:07

    A little research on herbl virus killers would have been a better way to end this article for those who can not move….echinea, colloidal silver, oregano, garlic, licorice, olive seed…maybe do a follow up??

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    • Prepper In Training February 21, 18:43

      One of the good things about this site is the educational value from what is not stated in the article. I have been left wondering about things that I read, and then, instead of blaming the writer for not going in-depth enough, I use my computer talents to research information that will be more streamlined to my needs and situation. The information I research for myself is a lot more memorable than reading one article that is geared towards a wide demographic.

      The comments section usually have a lot more information than can be found in the article itself, which is a fantastic way of building camaraderie in our community.

      As you stated, a little follow up on your suggestions might provide people with a better understanding of why they will make effective “herbl” virus killers. Are your killers effective on all viruses? Are there any warnings that should be included for those taking other medications?

      It is so easy to point out the lack of information, but it also easy enough to do a little research for yourself. Then, if you find something that is highly useful to others, post to the board and if possible, include a link to the information.

      I don’t want to sound negative about your post, but that is hard not to do when replying to a negative critique of the article.

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      • left coast chuck February 22, 00:19

        Prepper: I agree. I have found myself checking information many times after reading an article and the comments.

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      • harleybagheera November 21, 21:54

        You, my friend, are going to survive what’s coming. Congratulations for that! Most people want a “quick fix” for their futures, so are still too tightly bound to “the way it’s always been,” and they won’t fare very well. People have to research for THEMSELVES until they find out what is best for their own needs, location, availability, environment, etc.

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  8. Mike February 21, 18:37

    I,m not suer about silver but my go to would be hydrogen peroxide food grade 35%. there are protocols on how to us it and it should be followed to the T. They say it cures everything because nothing can survive in an oxygen rich environment.

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  9. C February 21, 18:52

    CDC , like the Federal Reserve, is not a government agency and it is not part of the government. They are both privately owned corporation. I

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  10. left coast chuck February 21, 18:56

    I guess the author has never heard of the epidemic of diphtheria that almost wiped out the town of Nome, Alaska.

    “On February 2, 1925, a dog sled team delivered medicine to the town of Nome, Alaska. The team delivered a crucial supply of diphtheria anti toxin, preventing an epidemic of the deadly disease in the isolated Arctic town.”

    In 1925 Nome, Alaska was even more remote than it is today. It only takes one carrier to infect a whole town, county, state or country in today’s world of easy international travel.

    Infected person gets on a jumbo jet, infected but not exhibiting any symptoms yet. During the course of the 8 hour flight, he sneezes a few times, expelling millions of infectious goblins into the air system in the a/c which then gets spread to everyone in the plane, all 375 of them who then get off the plane in a terminal crowded with thousands of people jammed together all trying to get out of the airport at the same time. Only a few of the passengers on the crowded plane sneeze in the crowded baggage carrousel area but their germs infect at least another several hundred who spread it to the bus drivers taking them to Parking Lot B together with all the passengers on the buses. COUGH COUGH, SNEEZE SNEEZW = instant epidemic from one individual.

    The only way to totally avoid any kind of epidemic is to avoid all human and animal contact. That’s is just a little tough to do unless, as Wizzard pointed out, you head to the back bayous of Louisiana where it is possible to exist on fish and snakes and native plants for the duration of the epidemic.

    Unfortunately, unless you are really familiar with the back bayous of Louisiana, there is a good chance that you will never come back but remain lost in the endless dead end channels that exist.

    A little common sense goes a long way toward avoiding epidemics today. Get plenty of rest. If you must travel in crowded public conveyances or frequent crowded stores, wear an N95 mask. Yeah you will look dorky but you will really look dorky with tubes in your nose and tubes in your veins and tubes in your other orifices to collect urine and what not.

    Wash your hands with soap and water frequently. Do not stick your fingers or other objects except clean forks or spoons in your mouth.

    Wash your hands with soap and water frequently. If you go to the grocery store, here in the PDRK all the grocery stores have hand sanitizer wipes to sanitize the grocery cart handle. Folks assiduously wipe off the handle then go in the store picking up merchandise that has been handled by who knows how many people prior, check out handing cash to the cashier or touching the key pad that has been poked by who knows how many fingers, go out get in their car and drive home. Unload the groceries and maybe, just maybe then wash their hands.

    Wrong sequence. Grab the wipe and wipe your hands with it after you have stowed the groceries in your car and returned the cart to the corral.

    Wash your hands frequently with soap and water, especially after you have handled money. Do you know how many people have sneezed on that $5 bill? Do you know how many highly used handkerchiefs that $5 bill has sat next to in some guy’s pocket or at the bottom of some lady’s purse? In my view, money is probably the biggest spreader of noxious germs in our country. Door knobs and keypads are probably the next biggest source of germs.

    Try staying at home and avoiding public eating places, busy shopping malls (That may not be so hard these days. Most shopping malls around here look like ghost towns) Avoid Costco. Avoid Starbucks. Yeah, it won’t hurt you to pass up that sugar-laden latte for a week or so. Might even drop a pound or two. Wash your hands with soap and water.

    If you use hand sanitizer, use one that has more 70% isopropyl alcohol or greater. You can buy hand sanitizer with IPA with 70% or more and also containing a hand moisturizer because IPA is a degreaser which means that it removes natural oils from your hands. It also kills viruses, bacteria and all the other nasties that infest our world.

    Avoid other antibiotic hand sanitizers as use of such hand sanitizer eventually just encourages the little buggers and they start to thrive on it which is the opposite of the effect sought. Wash your hands frequently with soap and water.

    And finally, be happy, don’t worry. You have a much greater chance of being hit by a driver texting than you do of catching whatever virus is running around if you are just the least bit careful.

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    • Retired RN February 21, 21:03

      You are wrong about hand sanitizer (ETOH) killing all the nasties. It doesn’t kill Clostridium difficile. This is a real nasty bacteria that can cause death. Rarely seen prior to the introduction of the sanitizers. Today it is a problem in all hospitals. Soap and water knocks it down but ETOH does not. Nurses are required to wear gloves for all patient contact. ETOH dries quickly, water does not. Hands are damp even after drying with a paper towel. Guess why nurses use ETOH instead of soap and water?
      This permits transfer from patient to patient. It is deadly to immunocompromised patients. The current treatment is oral Vancomycin. It doesn’t always work. A 20 day run can cost about $2500. Fortunately, there is an off label drug that will work too: Flagyl taken for 7 days. Much cheaper too. Family docs are more likely to prescribe this. Infectious Disease docs prefer Vancomycin usually.
      I just went through this whole scenario the end of 2018 with my husband. I cared for him in & out of the hosp. without gloves or any other protective gear. I handled soiled linens and clothes over 8 weeks he had the diarrhea. I was tested several times and never had this bug. I used bar soap and water only.
      I suspect there are other nasties out there that won’t respond to ETOH. We just haven’t run across them in civilization yet.

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      • left coast chuck February 22, 00:50

        Unfortunately, I have been spending way too much time in hospitals and clinics both for myself and my wife in recent years. It is my observation that health care personnel do not understand the need for correct sanitation. Prior to eye surgery for my wife I was in the prep room observing. The RN who was inserting an IV in my wife’s arm stuck the adhesive tape that was to go over the insertion point to hold the cannelure on the railing of the bed prior to applying it to my wife’s arm over the wound for the cannelure. I wondered when the last time was that the bed frame had been autoclaved or even wiped down with anything, let along some germ (bacteria and/or virus) killing solution.

        The OR personnel came into the prep room wearing their scrubs, booties, face masks dropped down on their chests, head bonnets on. The prep room is open to family, friends and I guess anybody who wanders by. For all they know, I could have come from the mushroom growing sheds in town complete with horse manure on my shoes which they would then track into the OR.

        We used to go to a doctor who was giving my wife her annual physical under Medicare. She dropped a speculum on the floor and was all set to use it until she saw me giving her the evil eye. She then got another instrument out but she never changed the gloves she was wearing that touched the floor when she picked up the dropped instrument. We never went back to that witch doctor.

        I notice that dental hygienists are very careless about touching furniture and fixtures in the exam room with gloved hands. This gloved hands should only be touching at a very minimum clean surfaces rather than general purpose surfaces that may or may not have been cleaned by the janitorial surface in a week or more. Ideally the gloves that they stick in your mouth should only touch sterile surfaces as it is very easy for an infection in one’s mouth to transit to other organs in the body.

        Apparently Markco thinks is corrupt because it is sponsored by big pharma. That may well be. However, like all sources of information on the web, we are obliged to weigh the advice found against our own bank of knowledge gained from our life’s experience — that is unless we are like Napoleon’s jackass. Napoleon and his general staff were conducting evaluations of various marshals to lead a new campaign. One marshal was mentioned and Napoleon demurred vigorously. One of the staff spoke up and said that the marshal in question had been in 10 campaigns. Napoleon is reported to have replied, “S has my jackass and he doesn’t know any more now than he did after the first campaign.”

        Unfortunately too many professionals are like Napoleon’s jackass. They don’t have twenty years’ experience, they have one year’s experience repeated twenty times over.

        All that verbiage said, I have copied what had to say about hand sanitizers.
        The question is: How best to avoid infection? Thorough hand washing is typically recommended. But use of hand sanitizers is promoted, too.
        However, a recent study found that staff in long-term care facilities who relied too much on hand sanitizers over hand washing actually reported more outbreaks of norovirus-related illness.
        WebMD turned to the experts for perspective on what to do now.
        What is the active ingredient in hand sanitizers?
        Hand sanitizers have a form of alcohol, such as ethyl alcohol, as an active ingredient. It works as an antiseptic.
        Other ingredients may include water, fragrance, and glycerin.
        ”Alcohol-based hand sanitizers are clearly a very useful and important method to prevent most bacterial and viral infections, with rare exceptions,” says Aaron E. Glatt, MD, executive vice president of Mercy Medical Center, Rockville Centre, Long Island, N.Y. He is a spokesman for the Infectious Diseases Society of America.
        Viruses cause colds and flu.
        Hand sanitizers won’t work, Glatt says, against the infection caused by C. difficile, a bacterium that can lead to life-threatening inflammation in the colon.
        “This study does not change my routine recommendation that people should use a hand sanitizer,” Glatt says. He sees them as especially useful when water is not available.
        In the study, published in the American Journal of Infection Control, CDC researchers looked at the use of hand sanitizers by the staff in 91 long-term care facilities. In those where the staff were equally or more likely to use the hand sanitizers over soap and water for routine hand hygiene, the chance of an outbreak was nearly six times greater.
        “It’s one study,” says Glatt.
        More research is needed, he and other experts say.
        So, is hand washing better than hand sanitizers to prevent infection spread?
        Both are important, say Glatt and Brian Sansoni, spokesman for the American Cleaning Institute.
        “Soap and water are number one,” says Sansoni. “Hand sanitizers are a very effective additional tool.”
        The sanitizers are meant to supplement, not replace, good old-fashioned soap and water washing, Sansoni says.
        The CDC agrees. It says that for norovirus, washing hands is your best prevention, especially after using the bathroom, changing a diaper, and before eating and doing food prep. Sanitizers may help, but “they are not a substitute for washing with soap and water.”
        They also can be used if soap and water aren’t available, the CDC says.
        What is the best way to wash hands?
        Proper hand washing involves ”20 to 30 seconds of vigorous scrubbing with soap and warm water,” Glatt says. “It’s the physical rubbing that does a lot of the work. But the soap is important.”
        What is the best way to use hand sanitizers?
        To use hand sanitizers properly, use one or two squirts or pumps, Sansoni says. Rub hands together briskly, front and back, between fingers, around and under the nails, until hands are dry.
        If you have a sick child, what can help contain those germs?
        Use normal household cleaning agents such as bleach to wipe down surfaces such as diaper-changing tables, Glatt says.
        “Pay careful attention to infection control,” he says. “Wash [hands] with soap and water before preparing food. If you are sick, don’t prepare food.”
        Those with more than one child should be careful to wash their hands between tending to the sick child, such as diaper changing, and tending to the well child, he says.

        So the use of alcohol based hand sanitizers might lead to increased infections based on one study. That study was conducted in long term care facilities according to the article. I would submit that with long term care facilities, the patients are more likely to have impaired immune systems. They are more likely to have chronic diseases. It would seem to me to be comparing oranges and apples talking about the increase of cross-infection in a long term care facility viz a viz using hand sanitizer in a family setting where only one family member exhibited pathological symptoms.

        I’ve only related a very few of my observations of what I consider lapses by health care workers, including doctors, in observing proper vigilance against cross-contamination in health care facilities. Considering the skill level sought for employees in long term care facilities and the pay that is usually paid, I would think that if one should expect cross-contamination by workers caring for patients. President Garfield was killed by the doctor who explored his wound without washing his hands first during that period when doctors scorned the findings of Lister with regard to bacteria and infection as the deluded rantings of a lunatic.

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    • Ginny - in WA February 22, 08:10

      …Door knobs and keypads are probably the next biggest source of germs…

      Also light switches, the back of chairs, stair bannister, escalator hand hold, taps, the list is quite long. As mentioned wash hands frequently and avoid public places if it isn’t necessary.
      When my kids were young they would bring home a bug as kids do and my first attack was door handles, light switches and taps with a disinfectant like dettol or pineoclean, no sharing cups either, (no hand sanitizers in those days). Many times it was enough for a bacterial bug but it was less effective for viruses like colds and flu although it helped a bit. The best defence is still a strong immune system so something that boosts immunity, limited people contact and cleanliness are the most effective actions. Also possibly the hardest since none of us live in a bubble and don’t carry a sink in our hip pocket.
      Personally I don’t use disinfectants or sanitizers unless someone in the house is sick, just vinegar, sodium bicarbonate and good old fashioned soap for everyday cleaning.

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  11. Joslyn February 21, 22:11

    along with the advice above, get and read Dr Tom Levy’s book Curing the Incurable. He talks about vitamin C in correct dosages and form to kill viruses, especially corona virus types–He includes the scientific references and study info that back up his work. the book is available on Amazon. The water soluable forms of vitamin C do not have a long shelf life, but the liposomal form–also the best absorbed form–can last years

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  12. san mateogirl130 February 22, 00:11

    ok in case someone forgot there is weed that grows wild WILD LETTUCE THE EXTRACT MAKES FOR GREAT PAIN RELIEF MT ROSE HERBS. garlic also has great properties. elderberry vitamins also. just a thought.

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  13. wildartist February 22, 01:19

    Let me disillusion the people who think herbals will save them from a pandemic. Look at the old graveyards… herbs are fine for colds etc but cannot combat an epidemic. Antibiotics and other more modern means are important these days. Avoidance is the best policy and good health is crucial to start with. Also, Alaska is not the paradise that preppers dream about. It is hard to survive there unless fully prepped. Game is NOT easy to find in hunted areas. Subzero cold is a killer within minutes. I know, I’ve lived there, in the Interior. And as someone pointed out, most supplies are hauled in from great distances and NOT locally available. Even Fairbanks closed down their dairy farm because it is cheaper to import mile from Seattle, via barge etc. Face reality, please…

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    • Dinie March 9, 17:07

      True, but some of us are allergic to a large portion of antibiotics already and I don’t take an antibiotic unless I really need it so I don’t become resistant to the handful that I can take. So herbals that might help me, like a good fire cider, are already in my medical arsenal. That being said, you do know when to seek out a stronger, ie. pharmaceutical, medicine.

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    • red March 10, 08:32

      wildartist: We have miles more knowledge about viral infections today. With that knowledge, half the people you know today could have been doctors in 1919. Knowledge accumulates. At this time, the learning curve is vertical, there’s that much information coming in. I write and I edit. when I read about the latest pandemic (one always shows up in time for an election) I don’t worry, but ask, how much is true, how much is the terroristic work of journalists? Spanish flu nailed the world between the eyes because too many did not follow what their parents did for a virus. Zinc and as much fresh fruit as possible; chicken soup is high in zinc. The world was in a post-war depression so anything of silver, which kills germs, was sold to buy food. Graveyards are filled with the new, the modern, forward-looking mock the past people. Science today is saying, what was old, is new. niio

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  14. Chickie mama February 22, 01:32

    We have found that Elderberry syrup 1 tsp taken four times daily and Oscilloccinum( a homeopathic remedy) taken three times per day greatly lessens the viral load and allows your body to fight the virus. It lessens the severity and the duration of the flu. Also gargle with 1/2 hydrogen peroxide and 1/2 water right before bed to keep the bacteria from accumulating in your throat.

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  15. red February 22, 08:49

    I agree about the southwest, but mountain areas here are best if you want to avoid most sicknesses. The western Sierra in Mexico are called one of the healthiest places to live because the air is thin and dry.

    For the unprepared running from SHTF, this is the worse place to go. They no longer allow Indians and ranchers to leave bodies around arsenic wells (natural springs) to warn off people drinking from them. All water will have problems from gonorrhea to trich to worse. People usually know yucca and other things are good to eat, but a lot of plants, unless cooked right, will kill you. we have trouble from stray dogs, most of them larger breeds like rottie and pit bulls. Smaller breeds get eaten by coyotes, and no one messes with a stray cat in summer because of rabies, hanta virus, and so on. If you study the desert, yes, it’s the very best. niio

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  16. MASTER SGT HARDASS February 22, 17:32

    SOME VERY interesting comments and thoughts has gone into not only the article but in the responses as well.
    That being said allow me to repose the following response whether or not you agree disagree or just plain dislike these words.
    So, i am from Northern Minnesota, South of the Lake of the Woods, and our natural quantity and quality is rather astonishing of the abundance of natural homeopathic remedies available to us.
    Back in the 1990’s i sold my plasma for spending cash. And for a long time i would see my plasma bags as well as my red blood cell bags (in which was returned to me) marked with a very big label T – CELL, ok, what gives so after a few months of this observation i finally asked WHAT’S UP WITH MY BAGS BEING LABELED WITH THE LABEL OF T-CELLS,
    The male nurse just looked at me incredulously and said you don’t know LIKE DUH if i knew i would not be asking, he literally broke out in a belly barrel laugh.


    So i was floored, as to why my auto-immune is so good, well this literally Goes to not only the way and where i was born but how we were raised here in the northern woods of this state.
    That being said i will not go out of my way to get infected with this sun virus from china (i call i that because of the sun ring aka corona)however i was raised to know what to eat and not what to eat in the woods, we have plenty of wild turkey their eggs, and oh damn the bear meat is awesome,
    then there is the fishing dang it man

    the auto-immune is how or what we are born with and that in itself is how we live.


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  17. Richard February 22, 17:57

    Here in Rhode Island we have it all !!!! The Smallest state in the world has Oceans, Mountains ( Both N.H, V.T, & M.E are within driving distance and if need be walking via the trails. ) I already have been stocking up on Water, Water filtration bottles and dozens of filter replacements, Food ( Mre) from Patriot Food Supply, but here is the real question which I have already addressed, where are you all gonna go? I have already had built a Off-Grid Tiny Home, Completely self-sufficient, a Complete backup of N99 maskes, from Health Ranger Store, Vitiams, Colidial Silver both Drops and Spray, (B-17) you can only get this vitiam via TJ…Prevents cancers and treats cancers and can not be bought in the U.S. you can buy Eassic Tea at the Vtiam Shoppe, ( Buy IT!!!!) Also Wild Oregano Oil Drops and Iodine, ( Anti-Radation ) tablets even with the mask your skin pores are breathing in toxins. I prefer colder weather area over warmer, reason virus spread a lot faster in warmer climate enviroments then colder ones. im so close to the Canidian Rockies, you can’t get any colder! But keep in mind preventive measures…remember your the target, be prepared! First-Aid Medicines, etc…and of course self defense weapons. God Bless, Stay Safe, Keep alert and aware.

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    • Wizzardlevel9 February 22, 21:25

      Richard. RH is no doubt beautiful and great in a normal situation, but I wouldn’t be anywhere near the east coast in SHTF because of proximity of the entire eastern sea board being major population centers. You have a lot of good usable ideas though.

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  18. IvyMike February 23, 01:30

    I would tout the Big Bend country of far West Texas as a place to avoid a pandemic but I have visited too many old graveyards there, the majority of graves are always for young people who died in 1918 and 1919 in the Spanish Flu pandemic. The pan in pandemic means everywhere.

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    • red February 23, 08:21

      Zinc kills viruses. Brass kills pretty much anything. Copper alone will drive out tape worms and liver flukes. Silver is good for most diseases. When the flu hit, it was a flash flood. Most people simply did not have time to medicate. It was completely unknown and that’s why it killed so many. Big Bend is not bad country at all, if you can handle all that lime 🙂 niio

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      • IvyMike February 24, 00:53

        Before WW2 Mexican lime burners were the only source for quick lime out there, they would dig a pit, fill it with mesquite and limestone they busted up, fire it off and bury it, dig it up a few days later.
        Like how you said the flu hit like a flash flood.

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        • red February 24, 09:18

          Mike: We’re saving bones to burn. they burn like coal, and will bake adobe block, as well as burn caliche. It’s been too long since I burned caliche, and hope I don’t set the world on fire 🙂 I might add slaked lime to the adobe, but like the darker color blocks. niio

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  19. Wizzardlevel9 February 23, 03:06

    Thanks. Yes,,, for me, the mosquitoes are the worst part. even worse than all the poisonous stuff, but I can avoid all the danger but hard to avoid mosquitoes. They are everywhere, all the time, and you can’t hide from them. so you pack several small bottles of rub on oil or a repellent made on your own from the the plants (if you can find it). The thing i forgot to mention is that for as many dangerous and poisonous things we have…….we have an abundance of good things as well that you can make medicines and remedies of all sorts. everything from treating burns, bites, headaches, and infection poison ivy rash, and kidney cleanse. It’s all about knowing your environment “very well” and knowing the techniques of how and what to do with the plants to render it for use. I wouldn’t call myself the top expert but,,,, i can hold my own, Easily. I know most about the wildlife being raised in or near the woods and swamps. I grew up on a farm and my grandfather (who is now almost 90) taught me a lot of traditional stuff. everything else,,,,, I study, I research. I got the fauna down pat,,, learned most of that growing up. I learned a little bit about the flora growing up but not enough so that is the part i had more learning to do, and learn i did. A combination of talking to more knowledgeable people, library, books from amazon, and plain ole internet searches, blogs, groups, or website info. I had always previously been dismissive about making remedies and natural medicines from the environment. I thought it was mostly hype and bupkus and maybe rare, few, and ineffective, but when i started studying this stuff,,, I was “stunned” to learn just how much was around me that can be used like leaves, trees and weeds etc. These things I may have looked at, stomped on, or cut with lawnmower daily that i never gave much thought about. I was shocked to learn the diverse type of medicines that can be made from what is just around me and how powerful they could be if your able to process them (the ones that need processing) and extract the useful chemicals. some need no processing at all. I was also shocked that some of the things around me that are used as the main ingredient in products that are currently on the store shelves that everyone has heard of. To name a few medicines on the store shelf. campho-phenique, Carmex, Asprin, Aspercream, Vicks VapoSteam, Thermacare Ultra. This is but a small few of the many many medicines that that are store shelves right now that have the main or active ingredient from plants that are growing naturally right now in my yard as we speak. Check out the Los Angeles time article about medical plants from Louisiana.
    What city and parish are you located? I’m curious as to your particular environment as it can be quite different from one area to another.

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    • red February 23, 08:27

      Do you have walnuts around? The oil in the hulls, water and all, is a great repellent. We would take the hulls and boil hunting clothes and traps in the water, and even bathe as well, to kill any scent. Most sacred persons, Native American and local curanderos are fantastic herbalists and love to teach. niio

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      • Wizzardlevel9 February 23, 15:17

        No. We don’t have walnuts. That’s some good info you have though. We use the citronella plant or lemon grass to extra to oil for natural mosquito repellent.

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        • red February 23, 19:25

          Citronella is good, but some people are allergic to the oil. LU aggie might be breeding walnuts. Bugs hate the smell of walnuts and avoid the trees. Only thing, you can’t plant legumes around them. How’s your garden? Last summer, we put in patches of wild stuff, native peppers and so on, down in the mesquite. Wivian tobacco planted outside the wash made it thru winter. This is a great antibiotic. Got some calèndula started, as well, for the petals, something doctors on both side in the war between the states begged housewives to plant. The petals are one of the best antibiotics known. Both will self-sow, as will ‘wild’ peppers and so on. Creole garlic thrives anywhere in the South but not up north. Only thing, hogs and cattle will about kill to get to it and both will get thick. But, they hate squash and pumpkin vines. Even javelina will avoid that, and javelina will eat cactus thorns and all. That’s how Indians keep deer out of hidden gardens.

          Friends tells me they have mesquite growing on levies. Here, when the fire ants start to come out, as many as we can will get a cup of corn meal. They can’t digest it, but love it. After that, if the colony is still alive, sugar and borax, on cup sugar, one tablespoon borax, finishes them. The ants steal seeds, shuck them, and use them to grow fungus.

          My best to you. You know the score and you know home. niio

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          • Wizzardlevel9 February 27, 20:28

            More good info. Thanks.
            As far as the Cintronelle, I never met anyone allergic to it (not saying there’s not), but it’s certainly not me or anyone i know so doesn’t matter if a few unknown people somewhere are allergic. I knew about the ants formula as they are the other biggest pest besides Mosquitoes. But the Fire Ants that we have are a bit more resilient than any other type and even though you kill all of them dead as far as you can see around you,,, they come right back in about a week or immediately after the next rain, which is every couple of days unless it is late summer and fall where rain is less frequent. But when it is dry,,, they make less colonies but roam a much wider area, so large that you don’t even know where they come from. When it is wet, they hardly roam and it is much less, but have more colonies per given square foot.You can kill every colony dead as far as you can see but if it rains,,,,,the very next day there will be literally a dozen colonies around your yard again. The rain makes them come out the ground then they huddle into a clump and float on the water and spread EVERYWHERE. I do have a whoppingly large garden but it’s for daily food supply. I will be expanding greatly into the herbs and medicinals this year; rather than having to search the far reaches. Something that i find disturbing is that, I’ve noticed over the past 30 years a massive drop in diversity of plant, insect, and animal life, but a big increase (sheer numbers not different types) of the predators of both insect and animals. I can names dozens of birds species, rabbits, moths, caterpillars, butterflies, fireflies and many other insects and and even different types of spiders that are all but gone or little to non existent. But the Hawks, owls, buzzards, coyotes, and ants are taking over. it’s like the food chain is breaking down and becoming very narrow. I’m certain that all the crop dusting planes in the air and land based chemically treated crop fields are having a very big and detrimental impact. I live in a very agriculturally heavy area. It’s over 30 tho 35 years so you have to look back to compare but, but seems very few around me notices or cares, but this is very worrisome. My children have not seen half the birds and insects that I grew up with because they are simply gone.

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            • red February 28, 00:47

              Younger ants do the foraging. Older ones act as colony guards. The younger ones get killed off, then the older ones forage till new grubs are ready. One dose the first week, then a second. I never saw them make it through 3 doses. 1st dose is cornmeal or corn flour, then sugar and borax the next two times. Other ants will start to raid the dying colony and haul off cornmeal, dead ants, and the mix, and that can take care of 2 or 3 from one. You would need to keep the stuff from washing away. I don’t, so it didn’t occur to me when talking of it before. Wet, cornmeal and sugar are worthless. They need to be eaten dry.

              Texas A&M was experimenting with a wasp that feeds on imported fire ants, but I think it was dropped. The wasps are cold sensitive. Here’s other things being done.

              Next! Needle ants, AKA scorpion ants, are now in Kali. The only good news is, they eat fire ants. Asians use them to protect fruit and nut trees from pests, like birds, rats, other ants, and people. I had 2 imported fire ant mounds in the yard. One died after it raided a back fire ant colony I dosed. The bigger one the horned toads wiped out. I sort of miss that. Find a cabbage looper in the collards, kill it, drop it on the colony and hit the colony with a stick. A week later, no more loopers. Orchardists tell me it carries over into new colonies, as well. niio

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  20. Bulldozer1701 February 24, 13:22

    If you look back in history every, not most, every pandemic was driven by people living in filthy conditions. Black death, typhus, small pox, Spanish flu, and the list goes on and on was spread by people living in unsanitary conditions. China is unsanitary therefore the disease spreads. In clean places such as the US the corona will amount to very little. Just another media driven sensation. Forget about corona and worry about something worthy. We are going to be just fine. If filth comes back so will disease.

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    • red February 24, 18:19

      blood sells, good two-shoe stories on page 19. With education being driven down in the West by liberals, panic is inevitable. As far as I can find, corona is worse than a cold, but not as bad as the flu. But, remember, cities in China are filling with religion, mostly Christianity and you know how militant atheists–like the chicoms–hate that.

      Filth is back. Home depot won a landmark case in Kali fornia, which permits them to remove a tent city on their property. they were not expected to win the case–which means neolibs may have known about corona in China before we did. that borders on conspiracy theory, but lib politicos are often hand in glove with the chicoms–and Mao never destroyed Japanese plague labs in Inner Mongolia. niio

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    • Dinie March 9, 17:16

      LOL. Obviously you have never been in a ladies bathroom. Its the most filthy place. I go in mens rooms and they might smell like pee but there isnt usually poop and blood everywhere. People dont wash theor hands or dont use soap. Ive seen them. And when I say something they shrug, say to mind my business, (which it IS my business if they are going to go about spreading germs everywhere…) or just ignore me. America isnt as clean as you might think. Its just the shiny top layer, but underneath is rot, filth and corruption. Just wait…and the whole hand sanitizer craze just means people use it as an excuse to not use soap anymore.

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      • red March 10, 08:41

        I used to cook in some pretty expensive restaurants, but started out scrubbing pots and washing dishes. You are also the restroom crew. I know what you’re saying. It became almost an instinct, do one thing, wash hands. next job, wash hands before and after. Part of this came from being raised by farmers and ranchers. Even the machinery should be washed down before going from one field to the next. niio

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    • MacGyver September 30, 11:34

      The sickest and most susceptible people lived in the most filthy conditions – with little access to fresh clean water, fresh fruit and veg, and indeed fresh meat – but every epidemic since (and including) the Spanish flu was driven by the expansion of radio and wireless communication systems. Every jump in wireless evolution = another jump in weakened immune systems.

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  21. Oldprep March 17, 20:34

    Until an anti-virus vaccine exists – –
    With all the constant “wash your hands” kind of stuff out there, I wanted to share some additional bits of interesting info.

    I received this interesting article from a friend about the natural methods they used in 1918 to fight the flu pandemic that killed millions.
    In line with the flu tactics above, when I was a teenager, I remember my grandfather talking about how bad it was for him and others in the Army at that time. He said that while he was occupying one of the beds in the hospital, or barracks, with rows of other bedded solders trying to stay alive, their Commander came through and opened all the windows wide open. They didn’t understand because it was winter and cold outside. The explanation was that the fresh air would do them more good than the cold would hurt them.

    Common knowledge and every place I read on the internet, including above, confirms that ultra violet (like in sunshine) kills viruses and bacteria, etc. One example in a prepper article, a guy attached 20 or so clear plastic water bottles, to a sheet of plywood, laying on their sides, , and filled with clear looking water. After a day in the sun they were taken to a testing lab along with a control group of bottles kept in the dark. The results were; the UV from the sun had removed/killed everything in the water. It was considered safe to drink where the control group was not.

    Another question I found interesting is; how long can the Corona, and most other flu viruses, live outside of a body. Answer – not long! The numerous articles I read generally agreed. Summarizing – on most hard surfaces like plastics, stainless steel, etc., flues including the Corona Virus can be detected up to 3 days. Drilling in deeper, some sources say that while viruses may be detected up to 3 days, their ability to actually infect anything is gone in about one day. On soft surfaces, like cloth, tissue, etc., they lose their infectious ability after about 15 minutes. Surprisingly, same with a persons hands where there is usually protective bacteria and bodily chemistry that virus do not survive well in. Countering the 15 minute life expectancy on cloth, one site claims it can support the virus up to 1 day, but I don’t know if the virus was still infectious through that time. On TV they recently showed a list of things to do to remain safe. One of those was to wash your coat every 2 days. Well – if the virus can only live there for 15 minutes, or even one day, why not just hang it up for a day instead of washing it?

    The good news here is that outside the body, time makes pretty fast work of viruses. In the article below I found it interesting that there is no documented case (yet) of anyone getting the Corona Virus from touching a surface. Based on the above, if you shake hands with someone, just don’t touch your face for 20 minutes. And if an infectious person was in a vehicle or room, just leave it unoccupied for more than 3 days, to be safe, before entering. No other disinfecting needed. Sunshine, fresh air, higher temperatures, salt and copper surfaces also greatly shorten the viruses life, according to what’s reported. I’ve found that zinc tablets work well too with past viruses.

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  22. preptech78 August 23, 23:18


    As a Med Lab Tech, I would personally disagree on the whole sunlight thing. While less populated areas can be more indicative of less spread, viruses do not normally rely on staying stagnant. Ebola still spreads rapidly in an area with copious sunlight for example, sanitation is 100X more important. UV in proper intensity can kill viruses, but that doesn’t mean brighter areas automatically kill viruses in open air.

    P.S. colloidal silver is really toxic. It used to be used topically, but even Bacitracin is extremely nephrotoxic and is sold for topical purposes. PLZ don’t stockpile it unless you use it properly. Drinking it is almost like ingesting tattoo ink pigments. The silver colloid gets deposited in ur skin and is not healthy.

    Truly UR Preppertech!

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  23. jb March 8, 21:07

    I think you need to read up on your politics. A lot of BS out there and you seem to believe in every bit of it. Contrary to your beliefs, both red and blue are good and bad. Read up red!

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