The Best Places in America to Outlive the Upcoming Economic Depression

Rich M.
By Rich M. September 11, 2020 08:45

The Best Places in America to Outlive the Upcoming Economic Depression

As COVID-19 continues to ravage our nation, the economic toll is racing to outstrip the toll in lives taken. While there is clearly no way of comparing the two, the millions of people who have lost their jobs due to the pandemic are the ones who are suffering the brunt of shutting down our country. Many of those people will never get those jobs back, because the companies who laid them off have gone bankrupt.

We have yet to see the full impact that COVID-19 will have on our country and the world.  Even so, it’s surprising that we haven’t yet entered into a time of economic depression. Many financial gurus are predicting that it’s just around the corner, so we’re clearly not out of danger yet. Probably the only way we’re going to see the end of that risk, is by going through the depression and coming out the other side.

Some people have been a bit too quick to dismiss the effects of the pandemic, forgetting that it has been worldwide, not just here in the United States. While there are those who may be trying to use it for political gain, they can’t be making up the disease or its effects; doing that would require creating the conspiracy of all time.

So, as we are navigating the waters of the remainder of this pandemic, we also need to be preparing ourselves for the rough financial times to come. For those who can, moving to one of these areas might just be a good idea, as it could minimize the impact of the depression on their lives.

Related: 50 Tips From the Great Depression

The Least Impacted Communities

The Best Places in America to Outlive the Upcoming Economic DepressionIf we want to look at this question from the viewpoint of general areas, then rural farming communities are some of the least impacted by any recession or depression.

People will always need to eat, so if you’re working in the agricultural industry, chances are pretty high that you’ll keep your job.

The problem with this is that the actual number of jobs available in those communities isn’t really all that high. If you lose your job, there may not be a whole lot of others to choose from. So you’ll want to make sure that you pick a job which will guarantee you some security. Avoid any sort of luxury food items, as those will be one of the first places where people will make cuts to their budgets.

Besides that, rural communities are less likely to be affected by the rise and fall of economic tides, because many of the things impacted by them aren’t affected so much. Housing prices don’t suffer under population pressures and there aren’t so many economically fragile service industry jobs. So if you’re self-employed, working over the internet, where you could live anywhere, a rural community might be just the place for you.

The City with the Lowest Unemployment Rate

The Best Places in America to Outlive the Upcoming Economic DepressionFor a large city, Oklahoma City has the lowest unemployment rate in the country, according to information from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics.

While this can change, and will most likely go up during a depression, chances are that even at its peak, the unemployment rate in OK City will be lower than it will be within the high-population coastal areas.

Oklahoma’s economy is based largely upon oil and gas production, which will probably remain fairly high, even during times of economic hardship. While there will be some reduction in gasoline usage, most of the oil and natural gas produced in this country is used for purposes that won’t just stop due to a downturn in the economy.

Related: 7 Survival Uses for Expired Gas

The Recession-Proof City

The Best Places in America to Outlive the Upcoming Economic DepressionFrisco, Texas is rated as the most recession-proof city in the country.

This ranking is based upon a combination of their unemployment rate, percentage of income spent on housing, and the percentage of the population who rely on social assistance.

With an economy that stable, the impact of any economic downturn will be lessened, compared to other parts of the country.

This envious ranking has been verified by various different groups, not all of which use all of those criteria. Nevertheless, the city ranks high for employment and housing, no matter what scale is being used.

The City with Plenty of Jobs

The Best Places in America to Outlive the Upcoming Economic DepressionLeigh Acres, Florida is the fastest growing city in the US, ranking very high in its jobs and economic rank, as well as its socio-demographic rank.

The high growth can very easily translate to a lower overall financial impact from any recession or depression.

Of course, to take advantage of this, you’d want to beat the rush and get there before the depression starts. Once things turn bad, there will be a lot of people looking to move to someplace where there are plenty of jobs. This will change the statistics for Leigh Acres, as well as other cities which currently rank very high for job growth.

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One of the Fastest Growing Regions

During the 2008/2009 housing crash, the Rio-Grande Valley area of South Texas was one of the least impacted in the country. Where housing starts in much of the country dropped to near zero, this region was still growing, with new homes being built. It has continued to grow and has remained one of the fastest growing regions in the country.

The Rio Grande Valley is a major crossing point between the United States and Mexico, with hundreds of maquiladora factories located on the Mexican side of the border. This has boosted commerce in the area, not only due to products coming across the border, but also in providing goods and services in support of those factories.

Many of the upper management live on the US side of the border, especially in the cases of management people from other countries who have factories in Mexico.

Be Self-Sufficient

The Best Places in America to Outlive the Upcoming Economic DepressionNo matter what happens, your best bet is to be living an independent lifestyle, preferably in a cabin in the mountains.

If you are self-employed and can manage to pay off that property, perhaps from the sale of your current home, you might be able to live quite inexpensively, helping you to weather any financial storm.

During the Great Depression, some of the people who were impacted the least were people living in such areas, as well as those living in rural communities. The less that people were dependant on others for their income, the easier it was for them to survive. Chances are pretty high it will be the same this time around as well.

Related: 10 Expenses You Need to Cut Now for the Upcoming Economic Depression

Watch Out for These

Probably the worst place to be living with the coming economic depression is in any of the major cities, especially those along either coast. The high number of people living in those areas will mean that available aid and resources will have to be spread out over a larger number of people. While large cities generally have more resources, the amount of resources per person is generally lower.

Every job that is advertised in a large city already has a long list of applicants. That will only get worse, as the economy gets worse. Chances of finding a job will become harder, as the competition increases. There will also be more jobs lost because they are “non-essential”, leaving those people without another option, as whole industries see massive declines.

It’s also impossible to live off the land in the city. While it is not easy to live off the land anywhere, living out in the country or even in the suburbs, allows you to plant a garden and raise a few chickens, to help feed your family. That’s hard to do when living in a high-rise condo or apartment.

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  1. Consco September 11, 13:54

    Great article. The problem with Rural areas is there are no services or facilities that so many are used to. Working online is great but in some out of the way area’s there is not sufficient internet speeds or connectivity to make a go of it.
    There may be a lot of land to the naked eye but most of it is owned by someone and it is doubtful that zoning laws allow someone to buy a “lot”. Then there would be septic and water, meaning a well, which is not cheap.
    The cabin in the mountains thing will suffer for the same reasons. Plus growing things may be difficult.
    The next real hurdle is that the people in these places are not going to appreciate being over run by people that they perceive are part of the problem. In our area if you tell someone you are from Seattle or the PDRK as Left Coast Chuck calls it that will not earn you a big open armed welcome. We all believe that you people are the cause of the problem and now want to visit on us. Like a plague.
    So many people who have not lived a self sufficient lifestyle will be “demanding” of government services that are non existent or are GREATLY reduced from what they are accustomed to.
    Keep in mind a Prius or a mini van will not even make up our driveway. The disruption to your entire way of life is not something many will be good at. With spotty internet or phone service, those who parent by parking their kids behind an electronic device will have a rude awakening as well. Parents or kids who know nothing of what bugs or snakes or plants are poisonous or venomous will have a tough row to hoe.
    People will probably want to stay in the environment they are the most comfortable with and surrounded by people you have something in common with. Latte’s are hard to come by in the sticks. Not many people have the ability to make a 180 degree change with all aspects of life and be happy or “win” at it.
    The socialists in the cities, who are anti gun will find themselves surrounded by those who absolutely know it is their birthright. Imagine a libtard from downtown Seattle trying to hunt?

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    • Crimmer September 11, 16:06

      You are correct. There is a small mountain town here that have plans to blow up the two roads coming in if SHTF. I am in the suburbs and risking the desert to get to the mountains where i don’t know anyone or have limited supplies would not.be practical unless it was a last resort.

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      • City Chick September 11, 22:18

        Crimmer, Around these parts, folks reposition large trees so as to guide people on their journey. Works better than a gated community too!

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    • City Chick September 11, 17:05

      People from the city here venture out on Long Island to duck hunt. They receive some hefty fines for shooting seagulls!

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    • Consco September 11, 18:57

      Apologies to readers, I typed all of this at work during a short break. Punctuation and a few missing words are the result of a 59 YO multi tasking….Laugh at me or with me either is fine.

      LCC as always makes a great point. Do your research!!!! Pay the place you think would be a dream home a visit. See if you fit in or if it fits you. Don’t think you will show up in a hard red area and convince them to go blue. That is not fitting in…..

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      • City Chick September 11, 20:35

        Consco – Excellent advice! For anyone out there thinking of pulling up stakes and moving on, I would suggest that you do not burn your bridges! Try it on for size! See how it fits! I know of so many folks who have not done that, realized sometime latter that it just wasn’t for them, and then found out that they can no longer afford to come back home!

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        • Consco September 11, 22:47

          CC
          Wholeheartedly agree. It is dark dark in the middle of the woods!!!! We love that but some get wigged out. People also tend to lead a simpler lifestyle without all of the gadgets.
          The wildlife also makes some nervous.
          Point is a lot of people get there and complain A LOT about what they do not have instead of enjoying the freedoms and the beauty that they do have!

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          • City Chick September 11, 23:55

            Onsco – With you all the way on that! I do not like people who complain. Nothing but a pain in the neck! You can not appreciate anything in life if you are constantly complaining about things! I have been out and about a lot. I never have any issues. I always make friends. I always am appreciative of helpful advice and enjoy learning and experiencing new and different things. Folks are usually happy that I came. After all I came to help. Folks are also usually sad to see me move on, but that’s been part of the job. Things come to an end and there’s more to do somewhere else.

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            • Lacey September 12, 08:11

              Wow! You’re really good at pointing out all reasons something might not work! I have to assume you are just trying to keep any strangers from moving next door to you, and you’re exaggerating all these imaginations of worst case scenarios. Otherwise, I doubt you would have ever been able to leave your Mommy’s house!? Demanding of Govt services? You mean like filling out applications for food stamps, being denied, so people show up at office and complain to govt workers till they get some? Please. Hopefully we would have leaders who incentivised learning to grow some things. Even without recession, people need to go back to raising some food themselves, or we could easily run out once we have two billion more people added. When you say “you people are part of the problem,” who exactly are you addressing? Are you really so narrow minded you think the only people who may need a change to better survive a recession are Liberals? Like your little part of the world are only Conservatives in America?
              I’m pretty sure this article is based on survival, considering it’s a “Preppers” website? No one said moving would cause us to be totally happy, but as far as “winning”, again, if you come thru the other side, you won! I’m also pretty sure it won’t be individuals “making a 180 degree change,” since life has a habit of HAPPENING, and forcing us to change. I’ve lived in the middle of nowhere some time, and don’t know all venemous snakes or plants, but haven’t been snake bit yet. We have about 20 chickens, which we had no clue about, so we read and LEARNED. Many people have that capability. How can you know who will be driving what, or if they’ll be driving up to see you? I wouldn’t want to come see you. Maybe it’s a good thing if kids weren’t “parked in front of internet” so much. They would be forced to go outside and play. That’s entirely possible?! They would complain for a minute, then adapt. I’m pretty sure if any new neighbors thought they might come over and do an “intro,” after one time you would be rid of them the rest of your happy days. I wouldn’t worry about being “over run” for many of the reasons you list!? It’s sounds so bad people would probably drive AROUND rural areas to reach the next city!? Growing things is difficult for many, like me. Plants are hard, but birds and animals I grow great, and we have over flow of beautiful eggs. We’re getting better at gardening and just added a greenhouse. Who said anything about buying lots? That’s in the city. My county has alot of acreage with and without homes, for decent prices. Certainly WAY less than in a city. Septic and water? I’m pretty sure your neck of the woods didnt invent those little luxuries. People have to deal with those wherever they live, don’t they? Unless you’re on some remote mountain using an outhouse. Do you use outhouse? Geese we are in country and have water, toilets, even HOT water and ice cubes! I thought they were standard, but maybe we are rich and don’t know if? We have modern day cell phones, fast internet services, the whole nine yards!
              I’m pretty sure YOU couldnt make it thru recession or crisis without moving, because if you ever needed help from a neighbor, you would die before you allowed yourself to see a person you don’t know!? Having Liberal “Libtards” move in right next to you cant be half as bad as your imagining someone doing so. You should be in Olympics for being “Downer Dude.”

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              • Consco September 14, 14:43

                LOL Love the criticism from the left! Want to be sure people go into a move like this with eyes wide open. Grew up in the woods. Currently surrounded by 2.5 million acres of national and state forest. I have seen first hand, and am living it now, the devastation that leftist/environmentalist policies have wrought on our forests. Is it better to let it all burn? Or better to log? The animals would be happier with logging and replanting than with fires raging. The governors take no responsibility for any of it either.
                Blame it on climate change they do.
                As far as my imagination i will say this, a person from the city bought land and thought of building a home. They let their dog out of their RV at nite to do its business. A little pug. When the coyotes got it they were broken up. They wanted to get another dog but they asked the Forest Service if they could relocate the wildlife. Can’t make this stuff up. A friend of ours lost his dog to a cougar, they have lived here for the better part of 50 years so they weren’t overly surprised. We have had 1 rattlesnake bite a few years back on a 10 year old who was used to playing with garden snakes in the burbs. Kid was fine and has a pretty good scar. A couple of years later the same couple shot a bull snake thinking it was a rattle snake. Bull snakes eat mice they are good for those who dont know. They can bite if you mess with them and I have a good mark from almost 50 years ago when I was 10. In their minds all snakes are bad now. Just not true. A lady got into poison oak as she did not bother to even ask what it looked like after we told her to come and get us when she started “cleaning things up”. She opted not to. And 1 black widow bight which makes you sick but is rarely fatal. We have had countless bears coming sniffing around our small dumpster type of bear proof garbage can. That has been very entertaining. 2 weeks ago ought paw prints in the soft dirt by the well head, 30 feet from the house. Coyote’s, Bobcat’s, Elk, Moose, deer, even had a couple of wolf sightings. Pretty exciting there. With all of this who needs TV?
                Seen enough of libtards to last a lifetime. Watching them allow cities to be destroyed now and a domestic terrorist organization called BLM and another one called ANTIFA. They call them peaceful protests and the summer of love.
                Watched them pass a law to allow sex with a same sex minor in LCC’s neighborhood. Blocking hospital entrances after 2 cops get shot and chanting death to the police.
                So excuse the hell out me lady if I completely disrespect your choice to be a socialist. Or identify as an alien or have gender neutral kids. Good luck with that.

                Funny you go straight to welfare and food stamps. Your blue panties are showing. I was thinking of garbage service and snow removal.

                We help our neighbors all the time and they us when needed. We all know each other well. The point you missed in your overwrought emotional state was to stay where you are happy. Be sure you want that big change. Don’t go into the middle of the woods and build a log home!!! When the fires come thru and they will, it will not distinguish your log pile from the upright ones. Think it through as it could be an expensive mistake as others have alluded to.

                Having libtards as neighbors would be awful for sure. And yes we love living in the middle of nowhere 3000 feet up, 26 miles outside of a small town with a decent hospital is great!!!

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                • left coast chuck September 15, 00:55

                  Consco: Dang, you are more up on what the idiots in Scitzomento are thinking than most of the sheeple in the state. You are right. There is a move to make sex with someone ten years or less younger than the perp a low grade crime. I am not sure it is intended to reach the misdemeanor level but it wouldn’t surprise me. There is also intent to make vaginal penetration more serious than anal or oral penetration, as a sop to the homosexuals in the state.

                  I am just boggled. If I interpret what I have read about the proposed legislation, if an 18 year old has consensual anal intercourse with an eight year old that will be a slap on the wrist offense. I am so angered at the thought of such legislation I have to quit here otherwise my post will degenerate into vulgarity that I try to avoid on the internet.

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                • IvyMike September 15, 01:12

                  In 1935 the U.S. Forest Service mandated the ’10 o’clock rule’ requiring all fires to be put out by 10 A.M. the day after discovery. The current sorry condition of the forests is not a result of Libtard tree hugging but, like most of our problems, originated with an ignorant government bureaucracy making rules in service to larger economic interests. Left and Right making a fight is only hastening the day when we all live under Feudalism.
                  Old joke, ‘What do you call one dead lawyer? A start…’ applies to politicians as well. I spit on ’em all, left, right, and center, except for AOC, and only because she was a bartender and lady bartenders are hot.

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                  • Lonnie G September 17, 13:52

                    the leftist/liberal policies of NO logging in national and state forest let the under brush grow profusely. This adds to the danger and helps fuel the fires. This thick brush also hinders the fire fighters. So, some of the “current sorry condition of the forests,” IS a result of the libtard tree huggers!

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                • City Chick September 21, 14:23

                  Founding leaders of BLM, former Black Panther activists and also trained communists! Can’t make this stuff up! And to think they have received tons of cash donations from large corporations. These corporations do not want bad publicity or demonstrations. They have fallen for the old “Al Sharpton shake down!” I suggest we be the ones to give them some bad publicity and hold them responsible as a partner in crime for all the damages done to life, limb and property by The BLM folks. It’s unfair to expect private Insurance to cover the costs and the helping hand provided by the Feds should be reimbursed

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    • Grugore September 12, 06:12

      This isn’t rocket science.
      You’ll need food, shelter and water. It’s not that difficult. A good camping hammock for shelter. A ceramic water filter, and the ability to hunt for food. Use lean red meat from animals raised on a natural diet to make pemmican. It lasts for years, is calorie dense and provides all of your nutritional requirements. Then you’ll just require a few tools. A good knife, folding saw, a way to start fires plus a few other items. The key is to be prepared. The only thing that will save you is knowledge. If you cannot survive in the wild, you’ll be a victim. Do some research, practice your skills. It’s the only way you’ll survive.

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      • City Chick September 14, 16:55

        Grugore – You’re so right about that! I think that it’s more akin to a can-do attitude, a heck of a lot of common sense, solid set of skills, and honed situational awareness rather than where one happens to be or where one hangs up one’s hat!

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    • Tomk September 14, 06:25

      My brother in law and his wife have lived in a small cabin on the side of a mountain for 30 years. They are now in their 70s. About three years ago, they were coming home from a few days at their granddaughter’s and were greeted by three feet of snow on a two mile dirt road. She almost died walking in. This spring he told me he could no longer climb the hill with a chain saw to cut firewood. They’ve been living like that for thirty years, but aren’t capable of doing it any more and can’t afford to move. Remember, thirty years from now, you won’t be in your forties anymore and the snow will still be there, the firewood will still need to be cut, the water will still need to be carried across the ice to the house and the path to the out house will still need to be shoveled. No matter how long you’ve been doing it, it some point, you just can’t anymore. I had to get rid of my chickens and geese a few years ago. Just got to be too much in the winter.

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      • City Chick September 14, 12:17

        Reality sometimes can be a real bummer for sure. Lots of retirees and seniors move into the city from the suburbs. Mind you the suburbs here are not the same as living on the side of a mountain, but even though they still can’t make a go of it anymore. This is what I hear – the house too big, the lawn too much, have to drive to get anything, too expensive, can’t make the repairs, and the real big bummer around these parts, can’t drive anymore.

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      • Consco September 14, 14:13

        Agreed. And in your 40’s not everyone plans for life in their 70’s and beyond. What looked great when you were young now looks like an uphill climb in your golden years.
        We did a lot of planning to negate aging as much as possible. Roll in shower no sills to the extent possible. A 4’0” front door. No stairs that we HAVE to use. We have a loft with a spiral staircase but we have a ramp on the back deck so any needed access to the loft can be done. Also did that to accommodate battery replacement for our solar system.
        You can mitigate some things with aging but you cant engineer everything out for sure. Hope your family navigates the next step as well as they have for the past 30 years.

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        • IvyMike September 15, 01:37

          Yeah, planning to keep it going in later years is an unfortunate reality for a lot of us.
          This site is very much an expression of Claude Davis’ concern with ‘The Lost Ways’. Among all the life skills that have been lost our very way of living has changed from the old days when several generations of family lived under one roof, the knowledge of age and the strength of youth combined making life much easier.
          We never reproduced so have also had it in mind to make life in the country easier as we have aged. No sills in the shower is great stuff, no sills in the doorways, no stairs. Kitchen and bath storage no more than head high. Reasonable expectations, I just finished painting the outside of the house for the last time, too dangerous for an old man. Have been building all my vegetable gardens waist high, that’s a big help. And I gave up my big contractor’s wheelbarrow for a smaller one, sigh…

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    • PROMETHEUS September 17, 16:43

      I agree with what you wrote here but have one point to bring up. G-d forbid you get into a horrific accident, but if you did, and your surgeons are all “lib-tards”, are you ok with that? Why denigrate people with 3rd grade nicknames? Surgeon to nurse: “Do you think we can save this con-tard?”

      It’s silly, really. People are people. We will ALL be dead in 100 years or less.

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    • Byrone September 25, 02:39

      You are Right on. Perfect 20 20 vision past present and future

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  2. lefty September 11, 14:19

    I’m retired and on limited income[I’m not a rich CA/NYC type !].I need a partially/fully off grid affordable location with onsite/deeded well,an upwind of defense bases[see Strategic Relocation by Joel& Andrew Skousen]I will NOT learn Spanish or Arabic.

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    • Draco September 11, 18:24

      Might want to brush up on Chinese.

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      • Lonnie G September 17, 14:04

        I speak Chinese with a firearm. Most other languages also. I am not planning on travel to other countries, therefore there is NO logical reason to learn a foreign language, comprender? Verstehen? 理解? Понять?

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    • mandy September 11, 20:13

      I’m in same boat as yu. just bought my forever home a year ago,hadnt planned on moving again, but this mess has me wishing I could find a little bit o’land elsewhere too. cant do much but would feel better knowing I had people around that stand w/me for when the shtf!

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    • City Chick September 11, 20:42

      Lefty, Lots of people are now learning Chinese. Even The Presidents grandkids sang a traditional Chines song to Xi when he came to visit. I remember a wonderful dear uncle who was in the European theater during WWII. He was in the Ardennes guarding the Allies oil reserves. He always told me he had wished he had picked up some German at home. That way he would have understood what they were saying as he was on guard at night. Something to consider.

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      • anonymous September 13, 20:26

        I agree with City Chick. Learning at least some words and expressions will not hurt one bit, especially if you have an emergency. Directions left and right / where is the restroom / favorite menu items – its all good.

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  3. Bill September 11, 15:59

    This is a very helpful article in many respects. I formerly ran the Greener Pastures Institute which helped urbanites transition to smaller towns. I now informally do retirement counseling from my small town in coastal California (no fires here, thankfully). When Rich M writes about “America,” well, America includes Canada and Mexico. Check out my “bug out” piece here about a resort in Mexico where I built a strawbale house. Can’t get there currently but borders will open eventually, same with Canada where I also once owned property (have Canadian wife, still citizen). Covid-19 less pervasive there. Re: economic future, pay off all debt, hold onto precious metals, have a home-based biz that is somewhat recession proof etc. See my book, Moving to Small Town America, still a few copies left at Amazon. Hope to do revised edition one day.

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  4. bert September 11, 16:59

    i grew up on a “real” farm. City people drive by and see a nice farm and think “Wow that looks nice they must have it so easy”. They don’t see the reality of country living. For one thing farming is incredibly dangerous. In our neighborhood i know of many horrific accidents. One involved a family with young children. They had left the corn auger that fed the bin on. Somehow their two young children started to play in the shell corn down in the hopper. Short story both kids got hooked into the auger and it chewed them up bite by bite into the bin. Another was a good friend of mine. We went to school together. He was feeding the cattle from the silo. Well it was winter and the silage unloader plugged. So he climbed the silo. Sixty feet up. And with the unloader running proceeded to jump up and down on the unloader to free the frozen silage. Well he slipped and the machine caught him. Being strong he ripped free and leaving most of his leg muscle chewed up and blown down the chute he crawled to the silo door and using the two inch electric cord that fed the unloader he slid down to the ground and crawled to the house. He survived that and moved to town. One day he called his parents who still lived on the farm to come help him in town. Then while they were in the car to his house he took the back road to his parents house on the farm. When they found him later that day he had taken a shotgun and killed himself in their living room. You know sometime the pain is too much. Then there was the time when i was standing in the barn with the manure spreader backed up to the barn cleaner. My sister had the tractor running with the power take off engaged. This means the steel shaft from the tractor to the spreader was spinning. God must have loved her that day when the bolt on the spinning shaft caught her pant leg. She knew it when it happened and she jumped off the tractor drawbar and held on tight. The machine ripped her bib overalls off her body in a split second. i don’t rember anything for the next hour. She didn’t have a scratch. The clothes were so old and rotten they just split off her. She still farms and i worry about her every day.
    This is a small sample from my neighborhood. And there are others that are just as bad or worse.
    Farming is rewarding and yes you basically live in a pretty parkland. But farming and homesteading can kill you in an instant. Machinery has no pity for man woman or child. Thank You.

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    • Charliegirl September 11, 18:46

      most dont have a clue how much hard work is done everyday on a farm or rural home with animals and gardens, canning etc. We lived off the grid when I was a teen, I just didnt know it. wood cook stove, wood heat, goats to milk, gardens to can, kerosene lamps, generator to run old ringer washer machine once a week and hang out the clothes. we read, played music – guitar, wrote poetry and worked hard every day. Have to say – we were healthy and seldom got sick. But we didn’t eat a lot of junk food. and candy and soda were treats not everyday fare.

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      • bert September 14, 15:00

        My sisters hands are twice as thick as mine. She grew up with it. People coming into the country cold from town have no idea. They have none of the experience earned from a farming childhood. Can it be done? Yes. A good first step is understanding that farming is basically moving material from one place to another. Take hay for example. You have to move it from the field to the wagon. From the wagon to the barn. From the barn into the loft. From the loft to downstairs. From downstairs to each cow. From each cow into the manure spreader. From the spreader to the field. The spreader is cleaned and oiled. Or it will freeze. Then put into the shed. Repeat. Thats ten steps for each bale of hay.
        i used to clean the gutters behind thirty head of milk cows daily with a shovel and a wheel barrow. After i went into the service my old man bought a barn cleaner.
        When you consider a farm or homestead don”t be looking at the pretty birds and trees.. Look at every step of the farming process carefully on paper and find a place fit for your goals. A farm or homestead is in reality a factory. Any wasted steps in the process will be carried by your back. Farming can be awesome or it can be hell on earth. i have seen both. In the end country life will change you. How depends on you.

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    • Stumped again September 11, 19:18

      Well, city life can kill you in an instant also. I have had three close calls that I escaped. The first one was a week after graduating from High School Hydro planed into a telephone pole. Still have the scars some 45 years later. Just missed getting creamed by someone running a stop sign when I was in grade school. Then in New York city was present during a hold up in a coffee shop. Then there are the floods that I was lucky in not getting swept away in my Firebird.

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    • City Chick September 11, 21:30

      Bert, Here in the high city we do. Entire out to the farm for recreation, Apple picking, pumpkin picking, strawberry picking and hay rides! Farmers who welcome us with such activities are most appreciated! It especially gives our children the opportunity to know where their food comes from! I for one, enjoy watching RFDTV. Yes we actually have that channel here. One of my favorite shows is Machinery Pete! Really gives a city slicker like myself a full understanding of not only just how hard you work or how dangerous it can be, but also how smart, talented, and independent you need to be to manage a successful farming operation.

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    • IvyMike September 12, 01:49

      The worst machine accident I was around at a jobsite was an old boy who pulled up a 10,000v underground cable with a track hoe. People were screaming, stay on the machine! but he opened the door and bailed out, those 10,000 volts arced out and killed him before he hit the ground. Then there was the drunk cowboy who shot himself in the thigh practicing quick draw, the round shattered his femur and exited his lower calf. Horses might be more dangerous than machinery and guns combined, if you work on horseback you will find yourself on the ground every now and then wondering what truck hit you,and hopefully not full length in a patch of dog cholla. I saddled a horse I was unfamiliar with to go help a couple guys moving cattle, walked him out of the barn thinking we’d follow the dirt road around the woods and out to the pasture, but he saw his horse buddies way out there and as soon as I was in the saddle he bounded off full gallop on a shortcut through the trees, me standing in the stirrups so I wouldn’t get racked but also doing everything I could to keep my head and butt lower than his horse head. Crushed my hat is all, that time.
      Back injuries are the worst, for every one who chops off a couple fingers or gets hung up in a PTO a hundred more suffer disabling back injury. Then they are consumed by the Oxy Devil. Happily, I have that short thick European peasant body that never breaks down. And all my fingers.

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      • left coast chuck September 13, 01:17

        Shooting oneself in the leg is as old as holstered pistols. My pressman managed to do it. Fortunately he only shot himself with a .22 and it didn’t do too much damage. During one of my stays in the army hospital on Okinawa, I met a Marine who was going to get a non-service related disability discharge from Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children. He had been doing fast draw with the service .45. The slug went in his leg above the knee on the right side, traversed through the knee joint and exited on the left side of his leg in a shallow wound from his ruined knee down to his ankle. He will walk like Chester from Gunsmoke for the rest of his life.

        Then there were the two doofuses playing fast draw in the main gate guard shack about 0300. They decided to quit, racked rounds into the chambers of their .45s. One doofus decided he would draw one more time. His co-doofus jerked out his .45 and drilled doofus #1 dead center in the chest. The slug hit doofus #1’s breastbone and glanced off, traveling around his ribs between the ribs and the skin and exited under his left arm, went through the wall of the guard shack and gave early reveille to the staff NCOs sleeping in the quonset huts about 25 yards from the guard shack.

        Most of the staff NCOs being either WWII or Korean War vets or both fell out in skivvies, duty belts and individual weapons.

        I fully expected both of them to get court-martialed but all they got was CO’s Mast and busted down a rank.

        The shooter got a band-aid on the entry wound and the exit wound and light duty for three days. One very lucky dude. They were at bad breath distance when the shot was fired.

        The rule is: Always make sure your firearm is pointed at the target before placing booger hook on the boomstick.

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      • bert September 13, 14:02

        Horses.. i love em. To ride out in the open fields is awesome. However… Rather than relate the tragic horse stories, such as Christopher Reeve and plenty of other local incidents some funny things do happen.
        My father sold a horse to a neighbor and for several days we heard nothing. Then one day the neighbor returned mad. ” I thought you said that horse was friendly ! ” My father looked him for a long second and said. ” No, That’s his NAME ! ” The guy got his money back and got to keep the horse. That thing was a demon.
        One day my brother watching my little sister ride around having a blast decided that he to wanted to experience the joys of riding. So my sister got off and he climbed on. Well the horse went insane. Up the hill. Down the hill. Through the trees. Full speed. They wound up in the barnyard. A foot deep mud and manure churned to soup by fifty head of milk cattle.
        The horse slipped and threw him and splat into the smear he went. Face first. After that no more horses for him. He bought a motorcycle. My sister went on to ride same horse just as nice. No one knew why. After a week of puzzling about his wild ride he went to the shed where the tack was stored. He looked at the saddle and then turned it over. There on the back poking through the fleece was a roofing nail driven through the saddle. My sister weighed fifty lbs less than my brother. His added weight jammed the nail into the horses back .
        So just saying. Before you ride. Check your tack for tacks….. 🙂

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        • City Chick September 13, 22:05

          Tammy, Better help get out the vote! Otherwise you may find that one of these guys may be your governor one day too! And let me speak from personal experience, it’s a terrible thing!

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  5. Tammy September 11, 17:19

    You better be looking whose the Governors of these places .

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  6. Drew September 11, 17:32

    The beginning of this article reminded me of most major news outlets today with the hyperbole used to describe the health impact of SARS CoV-2, i.e. COVID-19; your language doesn’t match the facts. COVID-19 is not a deadly killer, any more so than other viruses such as Influenza. (current deaths are .00057% of the population) Yes, the loss of life is sad, but don’t perpetuate a Leftist agenda in a forum such as this. The CDC even acknowledges 94% of those who have died with a positive COVID-19 test had preexisting health conditions, many of which were life-threatening already.

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  7. left coast chuck September 11, 18:18

    I thought we thrashed this out a couple of months ago.

    I totally agree with Consco. Most folks from the communists states are not welcome in the free states. We pooped in our nest and now want to move some place else and too many of us start pooping where we move.

    However, let me provide some real life scenarios.

    As part of our printing business, we did mailing. As part of that aspect, we maintained the list of folks the organization wanted to mail to. One of our clients was the County Retired Employees Assoc. They helped retired county employees wander through the maze of county retirement and kept them apprised of moves by the county supervisors that would affect that retirement.

    We would pick up new members as they retired. I would estimate that more than half moved within 18 months of retirement. Many moved in-state and more moved out of state. I would estimate that over half of those who moved out of state within three years moved back to California.

    The big problem with that was they had spent the “bonus” they got between what they sold their California home that they had lived in for 20+ years and overpaid for a house in their new state. Thus when they moved back to California, almost 100% moved back to some apartment complex after having lived in their California single family home and the other state single family home for most of their lives.

    Now maybe they actually planned to downsize to an apartment. That certainly is a plausible explanation for moving to an apartment in a suburban locale, but a far greater number were locating to apartments in Los Angeles where they would be close to public transportation or because apartments just weren’t available in the suburbs at a price they could afford. They no longer had the funds to be able to afford a single family home in the PDRK.

    Before you make the big leap to Arkansas or Missouri or some other locale, let me suggest that you subscribe to the local newspaper for six months or a year. It may be a real eye opener.

    I was seriously considering Flagstaff. It would be closer to my daughter when she retires. From my perspective almost a thousand miles away, it seemed to have the culture I would prefer to live in. Subscribing to the paper opened my eyes in hurry. There is a branch of UofAZ in Flagstaff. Between the students and the faculty, they outnumber the real residents of Flagstaff. It is more liberal and left leaning than the town where I presently live. Yeah, that’s what I want to do, leap from the frying pan into the fire.

    So my advice to all thinking this article is a good idea, look before you leap. Subscribe to the local newspaper. Visit the place in every season before you make the big move. Assess the job market if you need to work after you move. If you are a senior, assess the medical facilities available to you. We passed on a town in Nevada because the closest hospital was in the adjacent state and the realtor couldn’t tell us whether the doctors in the town were able to practice in the adjacent state.

    A friend of mine moved to a small rural town in the PDRK. Had a serious cardiac incident that the local hospital couldn’t handle and had to be moved by medevac helicopter to the larger town about 75 miles away. Took time for the copter to get to where he was, get him loaded on and back to the bigger town. He nearly didn’t make it due to the time lag. I never did find out just how much he had to pay for that ride that his insurance didn’t cover but from his comments, it was a lot.

    One aspect of a small town is that if you fit in, a lot of things are more simple than in the big city. You won’t have to show ID every time you want to pass a check. The clerks in the stores know you by name and greet you when you enter. That’s if you fit in. If you don’t fit in, you might as well move again. That’s why it is really important to investigate your new locale before you leap.

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    • Jumper of stumps September 11, 19:24

      Heck, that can be said for moving across town.

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    • Patty September 11, 19:45

      Excellent article. Very informative. Thank you

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    • City Chick September 11, 21:11

      LCC – Very lucky he was indeed! There’s something called “The Golden Hour”. Learned about it from a young woman who was a former Army Nurse, and who was dating one of my sons friends. It’s a real heads up for those of you who may think the safest place to be is out in the middle of nowhere. Check to see where the closes Trauma Hospital is to your place. What level it is and how you would get there 24/7 in a life threatening emergency. You have 60 minutes to get there. That’s the “Golden Hour”. Take that into account as you make plans for your next move.

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  8. IvyMike September 12, 00:29

    When urban economies collapsed at the start of the Depression so did demand for food which crashed commodity prices. Family farms all over the country were lost. Small towns were devastated. One Government solution was to try to raise prices by buying up millions of farm animals, slaughtering them, and burning the carcasses. This while 25% of the population was going hungry. The only way being rural is safe is if you have clear title to your land and have the skills to be a self sufficient homesteader.
    News from Texas! I have had many clients in Frisco over the years and it is a wonderful place to live if you hold a H2B visa and have a two income family with at least one 6 figure engineering job included. 459.5k median home price, most homes are large 4-5 bedroom 2 story architectural insults built on small lots, either 0 lot line or 10 feet from wall to wall. On floating slabs with many structural problems.
    The Rio Grande Valley is one of the poorest places in the country. Unusually low crime rate for such high poverty. The complete opposite of the PDRK on social services, schools (as in all of Texas) very low rated. Warm in the middle of winter, rest of the time the weather is dreadful. You can buy land there, they throw in the mesquite and rattlesnakes for free!

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    • left coast chuck September 12, 01:38

      Mike: If you are talking about Frisco as in that cesspool by the bay, your prices median home price is way low. The median price for homes in this small town I live in is higher than 500K. IF you are talking about some other ‘Frisco, then you may be dead on.

      I think there are lots of “poor” folks who are more honest than a lot of wealthy folks. Just recently, a very wealthy couple was sentenced to federal prison for bribing their daughters’ entry into USC. There is a whole long list of folks who are in the same boat. Just one small example of corruption in the wealthy. Greed and dishonesty is not limited to one income group over another.

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      • City Chick September 12, 04:22

        Don’t really like lists like this! First off, the criteria selected and examined and then the source of the numbers upon which the overall analysis is based and recommendations are made to my eye is pretty sketchy. And then, there is this – if you chose to follow these recommendations, you may put yourself in a position where you do not have the same advantage. You have to do your own homework! For example, the biggest employer in Frisco, TX is the school system. That may limit your job opportunities.

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        • left coast chuck September 12, 22:52

          In many rural areas, some governmental agency is typically the biggest employer. Take Mammoth Lakes CA, a resort town where the best paying, steadiest jobs and the biggest employers are the CA Division of Highway and the Sheriff’s Department with the schools system in either second or third place.

          I did an organized century ride in that area some years ago and was amazed at how clean the roads were in the area. I remarked on it to one of the folks working on the ride and he said, “Oh, in the summertime CalTrans doesn’t have a lot to do so they swept and cleaned the route for the ride this past week.”

          In case you missed it, and somewhat off topic, at least two of the multiple fires in Oregon were arson caused because law enforcement lucked out and caught them in the act. They suspect that more were also arson originated.

          I’ll bet all the Kalifornikators who moved to Oregon to get out of the mess they created in the PDRK have been seriously rethinking that decision this past week — if not longer.

          There is a good example for this list. Starting in the last century, Kaliforniakators have been moving to Oregon to get away form the mess that the PDRK has become. Naturally as soon as they got there they set about making Oregon the same poop hole that the PDRK is. Has that come home to roost!!!!!!

          So if you are thinking about making the move to Arkansas or Missouri or some such, investigate, investigate, investigate. And above all else, if you do move, do not constantly complain about how much better it was where you left. I would not even mention where I was from were I to move, I would just wave my hand in the general direction and say,”Oh, out west a ways” and maybe make a mention about fleeing a communist country.

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          • City Chick September 13, 20:55

            LCC- My son is very proud of the fact that his birth certificate is from North Carolina! He considers himself a North Carolinian even though he hasn’t been there since he was two! Joking aside, a very good way is to let folks know what you do for a living first Then the fact that you did it there, and lived there to do it doesn’t stick out like a
            sore thumb! Just a suggestion in case you decide to pull up stakes.

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        • IvyMike September 13, 23:34

          There are very few large businesses in Frisco, no factories, so the school system is the largest employer in town but most Freeway Friscans commute South to work in all the Tech businesses that line the road all the way into downtown Big D. Most of the teachers probably live in one of the cheaper suburbs, Texas schools don’t pay a big wage to school marms.

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      • IvyMike September 12, 22:51

        Not Frisco by the Bay, Frisco by the freeway, one of the chain of miserable suburbs exploding north of Dallas. Just read an article on Frisco by the Bay that put the median apartment rental at 3500.00 a month. They said on the news the California real estate market these days is smokin’ hot.

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        • left coast chuck September 13, 01:28

          PDRK real estate is on fire in more ways than one. The $3500 a month apartment looks like the single rooms you used to be able to rent at the YMCA 100 years ago. I wonder how many folks reading this know that single men and single women could rent rooms or stay in the dorm in the YMCAs or YWCAs at one time in this country’s history? You could even take low cost meals in the cafeteria. You had to leave the rooms or dorms by 0900 and couldn’t be back in until 1800 if memory serves me correctly. I do know you had to be out all day. Conduct was that expected of a young Christian man, no smoking, drinking, vulgar language or unseemly conduct. Absolutely no guests in your room. A lot of guys in the service used to utilize them when traveling.

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          • City Chick September 13, 16:33

            Here in the big city, the YMCA routinely works with the city, as do hotels, to house the homeless. Noticed last time I passed by, that there is a huge BLM Banner hanging across the main entrance. For many years political activist leaders made their money by shaking down big businesses for cash by threatening to actively protest the business. Now, it looks like they target everyone into submission, even the YMCA.

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          • City Chick September 13, 22:10

            Just a shout out to anyone effected by the fires, know that you’re in our prayers.

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    • anonymous September 13, 20:36

      I live in the RGV and those housing prices have climbed quite a bit. Hidalgo County is one of the most densest populated areas in south Texas, very likely over one million total. Weather is nice from November to about April. The rest is ‘perspiration incontinance’ – pretty dang hot and humid. We just had a minimal hurricane Hanna pass through last month – not much damage.

      You don’t NEED Spanish, but it certainly does help.

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  9. A R 15 September 13, 19:48

    france is much better than the US to out live a collapse.

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    • left coast chuck September 13, 21:00

      I think, like the U.S., it depends upon where in France you live. If you live in Paris, you will be in a far worse situation than most cities in the U.S. Paris already has “no go” areas where the police dare not tread thanks to the influx of Mohammedans from Algeria and points east. What do you think will happen in a shut-down situation where the Mohammedans don’t have to worry about police interference?

      If you are in the countryside, perhaps survival conditions will be on a par with survival conditions in semi-rural U.S.. However, once again, there is a bigger percentage of militant Mohammedans in France than the U.S. I suspect that better conditions might exist the farther you are from a major city.

      As far as I know, the French economy is far worse than the U.S. economy although one might find that hard to believe.

      I believe the major European country that is in good shape outside of Switzerland and the Scandinavian countries is Germany. The Deutschers have been fiscally conservative since the end of the Third Reich and so they are not in danger of a financial collapse as the U.S. and so many other countries who have insisted on spending far more than they take in. I believe fiscal collapse is presently the biggest problem facing the U.S. with both parties trying to outdo the other in terms of pork spending.

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      • City Chick September 14, 00:05

        Switzerland would be your best bet, but you better have pockets full of cash and a hefty Swiss bank account! Scandinavia is definitely not what it use to be! Sweden is the worst by far with Parisian style no-go zones! Germany is not at all what it use to be either. Thanks to Mutti Merkel, horrendous violent acts have occurred through out the country by misguided under privileged poverty stricken immigrants who walk around with really big knives. Soros’s University is in Berlin churning out little leftist socialists like our mayors son, who hold rather active demonstrations to keep down the unbelievers. It’s a mess. They’re all lemmings. They believe all the lies in the press about our president. The beer, however is still the best!

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  10. City Chick September 13, 21:26

    You are wearing wine colored glasses A R 15!

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  11. Busta September 14, 18:01

    So…if my political leanings are different from the majority in some of these small towns, my family and I are going to get shunned?

    I’m just looking to buy a few acres, a small house and provide for my family. Does it matter that I grew up in a big city, and don’t have a job that requires I get dirt under my fingernails?

    I only ask that I be given a fair shot at living my life, just like you do.

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  12. possum September 17, 22:36

    Need help here, so just throwing this out there……I own a small 2 story , almost 6 ac, on a dirt, dead end rd, lots of privacy. Only one other house on the road, that may or may not be for sale. Didn’t want to take a smart meter, so I had the Amish install solar panels, all power is off grid.

    House is sorta livable, but needs work. I am looking for 1 person that can help me fix up the house, in exchange for living rent free. It is in the northeastern part of Pa. Any age, nationality, but must be a nonsmoker. Will consider pet(s). Serious inquiries only–pbpossum@hotmail.com Most recent construction guy is in jail…other(s) never show up, I truly believe all hell will be breaking loose shortly and want to get this house done. Write for more info. No drugs. Thanks.

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    • City Chick September 21, 14:14

      Possum- Most people with any skill will want to be paid more than room and board. I would suggest you work with your Amish neighbors. They’ll do a good job. You’re lucky to have folks who work like that in your neighborhood. Otherwise who knows just what you’ll get!

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      • Possum September 21, 23:49

        City Chick—the Amish were 3 hours away….they only came out for the solar stuff, and even that was almost a no go. I only need a few simply things done, have almost all supplies/equipment, just need man/women power. And been through at least 5 different ‘handymen’, who basically never show up….. I just figured with all the fires out west, the loss of jobs all over, the uncertainly of what’s going on, people in need of stuff, that maybe someone could use a place for awhile in exchange for some help. I am not there, so they would be alone and could look for other work while there. It was just a thought…..hitting brick walls everywhere….

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        • City Chick September 22, 14:56

          Well then, you just better be careful there Possum. Here, they would not only help fix things up, they would move in permanently. By the time you came back to check on them, you would find that you no longer had your name on the title to the deed!

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  13. Anjin September 18, 02:51

    Entire article is suspect since one whole section is devoted to a mis-named city- it’s Lehigh Acres, not Leigh Acres.

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  14. City Chick September 21, 15:23

    Lehigh Acres is a real estate development deal. A great way to turn swamp into money. Don’t know where you would find a job around there. Mostly retired NY folks. Florida is the 6th Borough

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