Road accidents claim the lives of thousands of animals.
We see them decomposing next to the side of the road, but hardly give them a second thought. Bugs and other scavengers eat them. So why not humans?
But before loading the next deer you hit onto the back of your truck, read our recommendations for evaluating the suitability of your kill. We will guide you through food safety considerations and mention some ethical and legal issues.
But what about the prepper perspective?
Prepping is about surviving, and survival is based on the number of calories and protein you consume. Being picky about what you eat could just as readily kill you as eating everything will.
Meat is a good, nutrient-dense, food. So why not take advantage of the fact that roadkill, however unappealing it may sound, could still provide a nutritious meal.
Food Safety First
But, not all roadkill is edible. As with everything, you need to be aware of the potential risks and signs about which roadkill should be avoided.
Since you cannot afford to get sick in a post SHTF world, taking precautions will ensure that you only consume food that will not cause illness.
Bacteria or toxins that are consumed can lead to diarrhea, which in turn can cause dehydration or prolonged illness that taps heavily into your bodies stored resources.
Waste Not, Want Not
It is prudent never to waste. And ignoring roadkill is tantamount to waste.
I have always maintained that I eat anything that doesn’t eat me first or will kill me later. Roadkill will not eat me first, since it’s already lying dead next to the road. But it could kill me later, so I need to be sure that it’s safe to eat.
Broad outline for evaluating roadkill:
- soiling and contamination
- bone fragments and pulverization
- bacteria and parasitic infestations
- organ rupture
- standard precautions
Accidents Happen
If you are travelling at a high speed and hit an animal you have no control over what happens next. It could land in a drainage pipe, sewage runoff, contaminated water puddle or stream, etc. You get the picture.
Consideration must also be given to the fact that ripped skin can let contaminants directly into the meat and bloodstream. Scan the general area where the animal comes to rest and if you don’t like what you see, move on.
Don’t eat anything you can’t trust.
Ingesting Dangerous Objects
An animal struck by a fast-moving vehicle may have a few shattered bones that can deposit sharp bone fragments into the meat.
You may even come across glass shards from a broken windscreen inside your steak. Stones and gravel may also find their way into their flesh.
Breaking a tooth on a stone or getting glass shards or bone fragments in your stomach could be catastrophic for your health. Check the meat for foreign objects.
Related: 11 Meat Processing Mistakes You Are Probably Making Right Now
Impact wounds cause pulverized flesh to take on a dark color as the broken cells mingle with blood and other fluids. Avoid these completely.
Bugs and Germs
Bacterial growth and insect spoilage are climate dependent. The hotter the weather, the faster you need to act. Meat can spoil very fast, even at relatively low temperatures. I have lost meat while working with it, particularly in large animals like cattle or bison. Once spoilage has reached a certain critical level, bacterial growth occurs too fast to be stopped.
Dead animals attract flies and blowflies real fast. These unwelcome visitors will start laying eggs at open wounds within minutes. Within hours there may be maggots crawling around your roadkill.
The quicker you act, the better chance you have of saving the meat for later consumption.
Dead animals that have spent prolonged periods in hot and humid conditions shouldn’t be consumed.
Bacterial contamination can result from environmental factors or could have been present on or in the animal at the time of death. Trust your nose and eyes. Don’t eat meat that smells bad, looks discolored or is slimy.
Burst Intestines
Organs could rupture due to the impact, spilling fluids into the intestinal cavity and also into wounds. This could contaminate the meat with faecal matter or urine.
You could clean the meat, but remember that these fluids can also deposit germs into the muscle fibers. Avoid meat after exposure to these fluids.
Standard Precautions
Like slaughtering farm animals or when you are hunting, always look for signs of parasites.
Some brain parasites can cause animals to lose their fear of humans or become blind and wander into traffic.
Evaluate roadkill the same way as you would any other meat.
Ethics and Laws
The ethics of wasting perfectly edible food are obviously in favor of eating roadkill, provided the roadkill was accidental and not on purpose. Killing for food using a vehicle is strange, but I guess in post-SHTF, any weapon will do. Just don’t do it now, as I am sure it’s illegal everywhere, or should be.
It’s also worth mentioning that these principles don’t only apply to a post-SHTF environment. You can apply them right now to any roadkill you come across or accidentally cause.
In a post SHTF world, laws and state regulations will not apply. But, if you are considering roadkill before SHTF, keep in mind that many states in the US have laws regarding the handling of roadkill. Contact your local sheriff of hunters association, should you require any information regarding those laws.
The Golden Rule – Only eat meat you can trust.
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I hit a massive buck with my Tahoe and i was pissed enough as the Deer with my guess had a collasped lung struggling to breath in the ditch. I poped him in the head with the 10mm and we ended up gutting him and eatting him that winter as well. Pretty tasty deer.
if you butcher animals one of the first things you learn about is adrenalin bursts – last thing you want is to excite the animal to be butchered – secondly is a lingering death that also gets the adrenalin pumping ….
road kill is dicey even when you are aware of all the circumstances and you did the all proper steps to mediate the negatives ….
Simple Road Kill Rules: (1) If the body is still warm it will be more than likely be safe as far as decomposition is concerned. You must however take into consideration the other points mentioned in the above article. (2) If the body is badly mangled you must consider the possibility of a ruptured gut and intestine. You can always remove the front and rear quarters, back strap etc., that are not damaged. (3) If you are removing quarters etc., leave the hide on until you get home as an added protection from the element and contamination.
O.K. here’s a touchy subject. How about canines, mountain lions etc.? Sorry to those that may be sensitive but it’s all protein. There are many places in the world where, dogs, cats, monkeys and any type of meat is acceptable to eat. It is all based on societal norms. I ate a dish called ‘omarice’ sp? for 12 months when I was stationed in Korea back in the 60s. It was kind of a omelet, vegetables, rice, meat etc. I had a half of plate before me and asked the waitress what was in it so I could make it at home. She told me it was made with puppy!
If it’s a matter of life and death i’d eat the meat of a carnivorous animal, but other wise their meat are not good for you to eat. I go by what the bible says about eatable and non eatable things in the Old Testament.
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Ed: Puppy is one thing, a dog or cat another. Predators digest bone with the help of bacteria and fungus that cause called fever. Organ meat especially the liver is avoided. Most parasites predators carry can jump to a human. I have had both, and know the precautions people use when dressing them. We had Eastern Europeans as neighbors and if it lived, they had a recipe for it. For most folks, it’s survival food. niio
Firstly, thank you for your service Ed. I read you comment, thanks for the added info.
We have eaten roadkill deer on multiple occaisions. They were our own family’s collision, or nearby friends who called us. We only take those with injuries that did not involve bursting the gut, or the center of body; like head or leg injuries. And they were within the hour, in cool/cold weather. We butcher ourselves, and cut away & dispose of injury areas.
Never had a bit of problem with the meat or illness.
I might also add, that unless we were litterally were starving to death, we would not eat animals that God, in His word, the Bible says are “unclean”. No, we aren’t Jewish or Seventh Day Adventists; and yes, I am well versed in the New Testament. BUT – Scienticfic research into the subject has shown that God, in His love & wisdom, knew there were medical & scientific reasons NOT to eat these things; that only now, with modern technology, have been understood. Not enough room to discuss it all here; look into it yourself. But I would not recommend eating just any animal roadkill unless litteral starvation were taking place.
what does the new testiment have anything to do with how law of what animals are clean and unclean are. Nothing changed from old to new in the food laws. Jesus followed them and observed the feasts as well. its th pagen catholics that changed and destroyed the most of the old traditions..
Oi, vat a shlemial raven! The NT is explicit, it’s what comes out of a man’s mouth that makes him unclean, not that which goes in his mouth. When the apostles, all Jews, went with goim, non-Jews, they ate what the people are. We’re under grace, not under fire. Grace means we’re no longer under the curse of death, the Law of Moses. All animals are clean under grace. Abraham certainly ate pork and camel.
lol sorry red…. that isn’t bibically accurate. but i am sure you pagan catholics are ok with its idol worship….
show me the verse where it tells us the old laws are null and void….
Actually, God had no scientific knowledge at all or he would have forbidden drinking raw milk. https://www.atsu.edu/faculty/chamberlain/rawmilk.htm
Much more likely that the God of desert nomads put pork and shellfish off limits because they aren’t part of a desert economy. In a desert people raise sheep and goats for meat, milk, and fiber, and keep a few dairy cows. It amuses me that Preachers, who hate science and are generally ignorant of science, still talk about the wisdom of God applying the laws of science to keep His people safe.
Seems like the Saudis, ISIS and Al Queda, and the Iranian Mullahs are the only ones who still keep all of the Old Testament Laws and happily stone to death those who commit abominations.
Raven you should stay in your lane.
Matthew 15: What Defiles a Man
…17“Do you not yet realize that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then is eliminated? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things defile a man. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, and slander.…
If you like I can drop a few others this one was from the words of Jesus, but Paul also spoke about this.
You know Paul, once called Saul that WROTE most of the New Testament?
Still waiting on the verse that talk about removing the old laws about food …..
Strange how Jesus practiced and followed the food laws and observed the feasts….. Werid…. isn’t it.
Please site the verse that removes the old laws. So far you just spoke about the “idea of speaking lies and gossip”
The truth is We shouldn’t be worshiping on a sunday which is a pagan day and the sabbath should be honored and followed. It wasn’t until the pagan catholics corrupted the entire narrative.
No the reason for not eatting shrimp (which they had access to) you didn’t think people fished at the time ? Isreal had the largest navy durning solomons reigh. They are bottom feeders and carry parcites and even the pork today still has the same issues. Its for good reason to avoid those foods. Daniel himself and his brothers remained pure by not eatting the wrong foods and where better for it. Those diet restrictions had medical reasons and better nuturtion for it.
Islam has nothing to do with Christianity so why compare the two. Torah observant is becoming a popular movement for those who are finding the Chrsitian churches to be a total joke and lack any truth and substance.
Red, Michael.
I’ll ask you both, to please re read those chapters, in their entirety, not just some cherry picked verses. But ditch everything you have been told what they mean and read it for what it says. Also understand in the gospels, the one Christianity and Catholics call Jesus ( different argument different day, but the letter J wasn’t even around till a few hundred years ago ) was debunking Judaism as well as the Scribes and the Pharisees left and right. All the while they rejected, and still do, the Messiah.
That particular string of verses , when read in their entire context with the rest of the chapter, the Messiah is again debunking all the traditions. Without pulling it up , I believe even the 1st few sentences are discussing judaism’s methodical practice on hand washing.
With that out of the way, for myself and my family, even if the animal was Leviticus 11 clean, road kill is a big no no. Another condition about an animal being clean for consumption is the has to be no blood nor fat also. Unless an animal is slaughtered correctly, ie part of which is bled out dry, it is not allowed. Scripture is clear multiple times we are not to eat the blood or fat.
Even some athiest scientist agree that a biblical based diet is the way to go.
Now even back in the day when I was a heathen athiest and did not care, I would probably place road kill on the bottom of my shopping list if at all. When I was working for animal control, and we had to go remove roadkill,if we knew of a homeless camp in the area, typically we would let them know we would be picking up roadkill in a certain area, in alittle bit… We gave them time to grab it if they wanted.
Almost always there was nothing but a stain when we got there, unless armadillo…. They always left the armadillo.
On the issue off Matthew 15:17-19, read it in context and start with the first verse in chapter 15. It starts off with the scrbes and pharisees asking Yahshua why His disciples break tradition by not washing their hands before they ate.
Verse 20 was left out which says,
These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.
If you read it in context, it’s clear that it’s talking about eating with unwashed hands, which was breaking tradition, not God’s law.
It’s not about eating biblically unclean animals or toxic plants or whatever you want to eat.
much like the pagon catholics …. they added garbage and laws to Elohims set laws…. if you need them its in lev 11 nothing needed to be added .
So where are camel, horse and kangaroo in the bibles good/bad list?
Just curious
Fledgling: You don’t even know what elohim means. apparently, you have no clue who the Tsi-ge-Yui are either. Beloved Way Spirit People. haw’? LOL. Do you understand the difference between a cult and a Christian? No, I thought not. Christians proclaim Christ is God, co-equal with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. Pagans don’t. Cults do not.
https://blog.logos.com/who-are-elohim/
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1303.cfm
https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/ask_a_scholar_what_does_yhwh_elohim_mean
https://carm.org/about-doctrine/are-christians-bound-by-the-law-of-moses/
Judge: But, sir, Israelites didn’t drink milk raw. It was converted to cheese. In Mexico, they follow that old tradition, as well. Both grandfathers were dairymen as well as beef. I need to say, yes, we drank a lot of raw milk without any hardship. Healthy animals produce healthy milk. But, I’m not a milk drinker any more, but can have dairy products, cheese, yogurt, and so on. But, one part of the Law is a Hebrew cannot drink milk when traveling to a foreign land for reasons you showed.
No, Hebrews had shellfish and ate it, as well as catfish, and so on. They ate pork and other things deemed unclean. Then Moses outlawed it. Today, we understand shellfish are filter feeders, consuming animal and human wastes. Catfish, a cousin in W. Virginia will throw roadkill in wire baskets for the ‘cats to eat maggots and any rotted meat that falls through.
Most of Moses Law has to do with how to treat others, how to be kind to animals. Not cooking a lamb in its mother’s milk is an insult to both animals. Male animals were not castrated because of the pain involved. If you want to cut down a tree but a bird is nesting in it, you have to wait till the fledglings are old enough to flay. Predators are not to be harmed if they’re not harming people or livestock. No tree can be cut if it still produces food.
Why should preachers be against science? Modern science was developed by Christians. Prior to that, there was alchemy, not actual developmental science. Abraham came from Ur, which was known for the sciences of math and astronomy. I’ve quite a few scientists in the family and all say the same, trust science, but never trust humans. Scientists are human. When those (so-called) pagan popes ordered monasteries to become research halls and colleges, and ordered kings to build universities, no one cared who or what you believed, as long as you were good at the work.
When King James ordered the Bible translated into what then was modern English, he hired Jews, Catholics, Protestants, and even a few Muslims expert in Aramaic. Out of that group came a very simple law that, possibly, may have some down from Abraham, all children must be taught to read and write, be taught math, and so on. James immediately commanded all churches to open their doors through the week and those preachers to teach local children. From that we get the word schul/school. From my own observations, it’s not Christians who hate science, but new atheism people. Those were the people who forced me out of atheism and down a 13 year old road before I accept Christ as my savior.
No, Muslims do not keep the Law, but only parts of it. They’re allowed to keep slaves, which is allowed by condemned. They can castrate males slaves, which is condemned as mutilation. They believe in torture in Hell, which is not biblical. Torment, yes. But, if a spirit has no body, how can it feel pain? Ask a rabbi. I did. niio
Piqueno chili eater bird: I’m under grace, not under fire. The law is all about sin and death. Grace is about life. Jesus never took non-believers from under the law. As strict as Roman Catholics are, if we were still under the law, they’d be the first to demand it. BTW, catholic means universal, LOL.
If you bothered to read the NT, you’d see Jesus was raised a Jew under the law. He had to do all things right. His death, His sacrifice, took us from the law of sin and death into God’s grace. Christianity is Judaism pre-Law. That’s why it’s called Judaeo-Christianity.
It’s not sunday in most languages, but Son Day. Friday evening at 6 PM is still שַׁבָּת Šabat the day of rest. In Hispanic languages, it’s Domingo or a form of that. The Lord’s day.
Basics, when Christ was taken from the gutter into the halls of the rich, he became nothing but a tool for the wealthy to use. Most protestant churches are like that, as well. While the RC did add a lot of pagan things to the liturgy, those are considered local traditions and allowed by God. They still follow the Father, the son, and Holy Spirit, which means that yep, they are Christians. If you follow history, you’ll find that the greater majority of evil done to people was by secular courts.
Torah observant who? 24% of millennial Jews are Messianic and the numbers are higher each year. Anyone who has read the bible and wondering where Messiah is, can see Him in each book of the Bible. Black churches are filled with Jews. East Africans are Jewish. Lemba have proved they’re the Tribe of Levi. Ethiopians are Judah. Bantu split off from them when Ethiopia was invaded by slavers. Most of these Jews are Christian, and many only came to Christ in the last few generations.
Daniel was faced with eating food placed before idols. If you read the Law, you know it’s forbidden. Paul takes it a step father, citing the spirits of demons are in the food or may influence the eater. As Daniel was under the Law, which Christians are not, he obeyed the law.
According to a growing number of anthros and archs, Mohamed was a Christian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJEA3PZ7TLQ As they dig up copies of the Qur’an from when he yet lives, the books are a lot different from what came to be after he was murdered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wljs09GNA74 For that matter, he was asked by Jews and Christians to be a religious judge. For that, you have to have the Torah memorized and a good working knowledge of the Bible. Live to learn and you’ll love to live.
Red, moses wasn’t the one who outlawed eating unclean animals, our Creator never permitted eating them in the first place. How did Noah know which animals were clean or unclean? He had to bring in a pair of all the unclean animals and seven pairs of the clean animals. What is the difference between the clean and unclean animals? Nothing has been changed.
Ginny, the list can be found in Leviticus chapter 11.
The camel chews a cud but doesn’t have a split hoof so is unclean. The horse and kangaroo do not have split hoofs nor do they chew a cud, unclean.
Gentlheart and all,
Thanks for an interesting if off topic conversation. None of it has changed my mind on the eating or not of roadkill, but when it comes down to it, this is going to be a personal choice and assessed on an individual basis at the time. Climate, length of time on the road, carcass damage, animal type and personal choice will all need to be taken into consideration on a case by case basis I suspect.
As LCC said,, how much roadkill will be around in an EOTWAWKI situation.
Interesting times so stay safe people.
Exodus: You need to do as many a rabbi thinking of Yeshua as Messiah. Was Paul an apostle? If not, why is there no writings against him, even in the thousands of things found since the beginning of archaeology.
Paul pointed at Peter and other Jewish believers as hypocrites for willingly eating anything goi believers ate at love feasts, then eating only ‘clean’ foods when the circumcision crowd showed. These apostles were sinning against gentile believers.
German is an Aramaic language. J is pronounced as Y. CH with the exception of sch is pronounced as KH. IN ending a noun means plural, just as IM in Hebrew.
While armadillo can be eaten, it’s advised against doing so because they carry leprosy. Raised as an atheist, then later becoming a believer, I studied under Messianic rabbis. The cantor at my former church is the son of a staunch rabbi who is now a believer. In no case have I found that they did not believe Paul was an apostle, and all said we were under the covenant of grace, of Messiah and Abraham. Roadkill (ie. an animal killed by a predator) and cannibalism are both allowed in an emergency even under Moses Law. If not, for eating a dead child Solomon would have had the two women stoned. https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/two-prostitutes-bible When caught up in a famine, Elijah was fed by ravens, which eat carrion. God led Elijah to a dry land called Cherith east of the Jordan (1 Kings 17:3). He tells Elijah that he will drink from the brook and ravens will give him food (1 Kings 17:4). Under an emergency, you are free of the food laws.
red solomon wasnt alive when the women where eatting the children…..
you seem to mix and match the word but i recommend you actually go back and study it. Use the app the blue letter bible to help you out.
Ginny: No roos, sorry. Horses were forbidden except to breed mules. Camels like dogs were good for work animals, but not for food. niiohttps://defendmyfaith.org/2020/05/17/clean-and-unclean-animal-list-and-unclean-ingredients-list/
gentileheart: As a bible scholar, I’d like to see where anything was forbidden to be eaten prior to Moses Law. niio
raven. You just presented a very good reason why you’re version of religion cannot be trusted. The story of Solomon and the two harlots is one of the most famous stories in the OT.
Red, can you show me where prior to Moses that we were forbidden to steal, cheat, lie, murder, etc. The Father warned cain about murdering Able but was to Cain not us. So before the law was written down by Moses, there was no sin except Adam and Eve by eating the forbidden fruit? Before the law was written down, there was no law to transgress so therefore sin isn’t possible? So why did our Creator kill everyone except eight people?
Gentlhart: when were the 10 commandments given to humanity? Not when first written down, but when were they given? These are considered natural laws and are common among every know people on earth.
Also, please show me when anything was forbidden for eating. Unclean means unclean for sacrifice, but until Moses Law, not necessarily unclean for eating.
It has to be noted that Puritans did not eat ‘unclean’ animals and half of them starved to death before bring rescued. AKA, they committed suicide by refusing to eat clams, oysters, lobster, birds and animals taken in the forest. niio
Wayyiqra (Leviticus) 11
1And יהוה spoke to Mosheh and to Aharon, saying to them,
2“Speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘These are the living creatures which you do eat among all the beasts that are on the earth:
3‘Whatever has a split hoof completely divided, chewing the cud, among the beasts, that you do eat.
4‘Only, these you do not eat among those that chew the cud or those that have a split hoof: the camel, because it chews the cud but does not have a split hoof, it is unclean to you;
5and the rabbit, because it chews the cud but does not have a split hoof, it is unclean to you;
6and the hare, because it chews the cud but does not have a split hoof, it is unclean to you;
7and the pig, though it has a split hoof, completely divided, yet does not chew the cud, it is unclean to you.
8‘Their flesh you do not eat, and their carcasses you do not touch. They are unclean to you.
9‘These you do eat of all that are in the waters: any one that has fins and scales in the waters, in the seas or in the rivers, that you do eat.
10‘But all that have not fins and scales in the seas and in the rivers, all that move in the waters or any living being which is in the waters, they are an abomination to you.
11‘They are an abomination to you – of their flesh you do not eat, and their carcasses you abominate.
12‘All that have not fins or scales in the waters are an abomination to you.
13‘And these you do abominate among the birds, they are not eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the vulture, and the black vulture,
14and the hawk, and the falcon after its kind,
15every raven after its kind,
16and the ostrich, and the nighthawk, and the seagull, and the hawk after its kind,
17and the little owl, and the fisher owl, and the great owl,
18and the white owl, and the pelican, and the carrion vulture,
19and the stork, the heron after its kind, and the hoopoe, and the bat.
20‘All flying insects that creep on all fours is an abomination to you.
21‘Only, these you do eat of every flying insect that creeps on all fours: those which have jointed legs above their feet with which to leap on the earth.
22‘These of them you do eat: the arbeh-locust after its kind, and the solam-locust after its kind, and the ḥargol-locust after its kind, and the ḥagaḇ-locust after its kind.
23‘But all other flying insects which have four feet are an abomination to you.
24‘And by these you are made unclean, anyone touching the carcass of any of them is unclean until evening,
25and anyone picking up part of the carcass of any of them has to wash his garments, and shall be unclean until evening.
26‘Every beast that has a split hoof not completely divided, or does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. Anyone who touches their carcass is unclean.
27‘And whatever goes on its paws, among all the creatures that go on all fours, those are unclean to you. Anyone who touches their carcass is unclean until evening,
28and he who picks up their carcass has to wash his garments, and shall be unclean until evening. They are unclean to you.
29‘And these are unclean to you among the creeping creatures that creep on the earth: the mole, and the mouse, and the tortoise after its kind,
30and the gecko, and the land crocodile, and the sand reptile, and the sand lizard, and the chameleon.
31‘These are unclean to you among all that creep. Anyone who touches them when they are dead becomes unclean until evening.
32‘And whatever any of them in its dead state falls upon, becomes unclean, whether it is any wooden object or garment or skin or sack, any object in which work is done, it is put in water. And it shall be unclean until evening, then it shall be clean.
33‘Any earthen vessel into which any of them falls, whatever is in it becomes unclean, and you break it.
34‘Any of the food which might be eaten, on which water comes, becomes unclean, and any drink which might be drunk from it becomes unclean.
35‘And on whatever any of their carcass falls becomes unclean – an oven or cooking range – it is broken down. They are unclean, and are unclean to you.
36‘But a fountain or a well, a collection of water, is clean, but whatever touches their carcass is unclean.
37‘And when any of their carcass falls on any planting seed which is to be sown, it is clean.
38‘But when any water is put on the seed and any part of any such carcass falls on it, it is unclean to you.
39‘And when any of the beasts which are yours for food dies, he who touches its carcass becomes unclean until evening.
40‘And he who eats of its carcass has to wash his garments, and shall be unclean until evening. And he who picks up its carcass has to wash his garments, and shall be unclean until evening.
41‘And every swarming creature – the one that swarms on the earth is an abomination, it is not eaten.
42‘Whatever crawls on its stomach, and whatever goes on all fours, and whatever has many feet among all swarming creatures – the ones swarming on the earth, these you do not eat, for they are an abomination.
43‘Do not make yourselves abominable with any swarming creature – the one swarming, and do not make yourselves unclean with them, lest you be defiled by them.
44‘For I am יהוה your Elohim, and you shall set yourselves apart. And you shall be set-apart, for I am set-apart. And do not defile yourselves with any swarming creature – the one creeping on the earth.
45‘For I am יהוה who is bringing you up out of the land of Mitsrayim, to be your Elohim. And you shall be set-apart, for I am set-apart.
46‘This is the Torah of the beasts and the birds and every living being – the creeping creature in the waters, and of every being that swarms on the earth,
47to make a distinction between the unclean and the clean, and between the living creature that is eaten and the living creature that is not eaten.’ ”
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laws are very easy and to understand…. Hell the 10 commandments do mention you should be worshiping on a Saturday and not Sunday (which is a pagan day).
Dz, idk if raven said if we can’t worship Him any day we choose or not but I do know that he said that the Sabbath is still the seventh day. It’s not our choice to pick which day we want.
We are expected to worship Him EVERYDAY but the seventh day is still the Sabbath and we are still expected to keep the forth commandment as well as the other nine. Nowhere in the Bible has that been changed.
Dz, why are you trying to change the subject?
Gentlheart: Nope, the Sabbath never changed. Christians attended synagogue Friday evening and worship Son Day morning. This continued until hypocrites in the Moses Law is God, holier than thou crowd caused Claudius to ban Jews from Rome. Eventually, peace happened and Christians returned to Sabbath worship with the rabbis. Then more hypocrites, this time on the Christian side, forced believers out of the synagogue. These hypocrites then created about 2,000 thou shalt nots and destroyed the freedom Messiah gave His life for. As has been said, when Christ left the gutter to enter the abode of the wealthy, he became nothing but a tool of the wealthy.
And, also as stated, anyone who ever did Torah studies knows God will not bless apostates. If we’re all wrong and only you are right, why are we not cursed. But, man, wow, is the West blessed. Read Deuteronomy 28 2-13. Then read the curses for refusing to obey God and look at anti-Semitic nations.
Christians usually do have a fellowship and worship Friday evening. But, Son Day is commemorate the sacrifice that Jesus made out of love for all of us, Protestant, Catholic, pagan, Muslim, satanist, druid, Buddhist, and atheists. Are you led by the Holy Spirit? I am. But, not till I told God I wanted to be in His perfect will. Not general will, but His perfect will. Then it all came together. Scattered blessings grew to one major blessing over all. Curses were disposed of and those who cursed were, as well. Some to the grave, but many to become brothers and sisters in the Lord. I can see no better revenge than that, to have an enemy come to love God and then to love me.
who is trying to change the subject?
On a side note,
I understand that many people don’t want religion in here, I get that. This site is about prepping for anything, mostly for when the shtf.
Whether you believe it or not, there is a Spiritual war going on and there has been since creation, only now it’s starting to really heat up. Both sides want all of us. One side chooses to allow us to choose which side we want to pick, and the other tries to lure us with lies and deceit. That battle is effecting us. We can all agree that something big is coming whether or not you believe what I’m saying.
The one who deceives wants to be more supreme over the other one and he’s running out of time. Certain groups of people have been inviting him to take control of all of us. I don’t keep up with Hollywood because they choose the evil one and they don’t even hide it any more. Just today I saw a clip of madonna on stage with demon actors. How can anyone miss that? The evil one has been at this for a very long time so he has a well worn path around the block. I’m assuming that most of us are old enough to remember a time when I five year old kid could walk to the store by himself, no problem. People didn’t lock their doors, etc. Now what do you see? It’s even gone as far as there is now 58 genders. It wasn’t that long ago there was only two. Look at all the wildly twisted minds we are up against. Look how many politicians that flash the sign of satan. I’ve seen TV preachers do the same thing. Very common in Hollywood.
All this brings us back to the theme of this site.
The whore of Babylon has daughters. A woman in prophecy represents a church. I’m not going to name names but what church had control of the civilized world starting around 350 ad but lost its power in 1798 (mortal wound to the head) and regained its power in 1929? Her daughters are many other denominations.
I don’t care if someone wants to eat roadkill or unclean animals, that’s their choice, but when they try to use the whore or any of her daughters doctrine to justify doing doing so and trying to lead others into deception, I have to speak up. Same with any other false doctrines.
Red, how is it that you believe in Yahshua yet don’t believe what He says? You talk up a good story about all the blessings you have now but there’s a flaw in it,. You don’t believe what Yahshua says yet you are being blessed for doing so? Sounds to me like you’re being “blessed” by the angel of light.
Red, how do I know that you don’t submit to Yahshua? Very simple, you don’t believe what He said. You are indirectly calling Him a liar.
Red, what’s up with the personal insults? The truth hurts doesn’t it?
Yahshua Himself said that nothing from the law or the prophets will change even the slightest until heaven and earth pass away and all is fulfilled. Clearly this is the same earth as back in His time on earth. And not all of the prophecies from the prophets have yet come to pass.
The Gateway to the Kingdom of heaven makes it clear that the law still stands but you claim that it’s all been changed. So who is right, you or Yahshua?
You said, …but love that leads to obedience.
You have clearly shown that you don’t have the love and you don’t have obedience either.
Gentile: It’s called living in the Spirit of Gd and obeying Him. Now you revert to your raven aspect. Again, you mock Gd and call Him a liar. You can google all the bible you want, but show no sign you believe father than it takes time to mock the image of Gd. The only one here to make the claim the law of death is gone is you lying about believers. I stated, and say it again, not one jot ortittle has been taken from the law of death. I state, again, believers are under the grace of Gd.
The New Covenant is part of the old, but the New is superior to the old because Gd gave much of it right to the people. It mitigates the law of death that you follow. It saves us from the work of the devil, where your law of death only shows how deep a sinner you are. You may continue to follow the law of death; that’s your problem. But, encouraging others to follow you into death makes it Gd’s problem.
If you think I’m insulting, I would say it’s your demons feeding you that emotion. Featherless chick, you have no idea what I’m capable of, was trained it, just to be friendly. Consider yourself lucky. If I chose to be insulting, you’d walk away feeling like someone just burned off your skin.
No, you pretend to know it all and know nothing. How sad.
Red, Google about the Bible? I get my info from the Bible itself.
Yes, we have grace, I never denied that. But that doesn’t mean that we can do whatever we want, we still have laws we are expected to keep. Yahshua said that the law won’t change even the slightest but you say otherwise.
I have thick skin so your insults and false accusations are not getting to me. It just shows how desperate you are to defend your own religion, nothing Godly and Scriptural about it. You are far from the love that leads to obedience.
gentile heart: You make the claim you get all your information from the Bible? what cult translated it for you? G’d said, you shall love the Lord your G’d with all your heart, mind, and soul. this is the first and greatest commandment. The second is like it, you shall love one another. All the Law and the prophets rest on these.
You mock, you lie, and you grumble/murmur. Man, raven, just think about all the filth you’ve spewed and now have to pay for. I listen to rabbis and Godly preachers, not the law of elohim, which leans the dark gods and humans.
Red, I can read and I can comprehend what I read, so I don’t need someone to translate it for according to their interpretation. You said that you listen to rabbis and priests. Like you, most people listen to Bible “experts” interpretations instead of the Word.
You used Matthew 22:37-40 to prove my point against your claims and you still don’t get it.
You have facts so twisted that either you’re grossly deceived or just a troll.
Gentile the goy: Why won’t you answer my question? Prove Abraham never ate meat from animals that are unclean for sacrifice. Muslims make the same claim as you. Now prove it.
Oh, G’d, this is funny. I said I was TAUGHT by MESSIANIC rabbis; people who speak ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and often Koinonia Greek. Never said anything about priests, unless you want to include the cohenim who I’ve known. One of the first signs of a cult is to deny the Word and Jews. As we have some 26,000 pieces of manuscripts and some nearly whole manuscript of the Bible extending up to the 2nd century AD, I think we’re doing well. As the years pass, there’s more and more proof not just of Jesus’ existence, but his resurrection and return to the 3rd Heaven. So you need to ignore all the prophecies about Him in the OT. Yet dare claim you follow the law of sin and death.
LOL, I doubt you understand what love it. If you did, the last thing you’d do was to play the blame game and I’m-so-martyred. I’m not your accuser, G’d is. He’s the one you need to spew hate at, not me. I care as much about it as I do spit in the wind. Oh, yeah, and learn some English. You jumped in on this, not me. You came to cause trouble, not me. That means in English, you’re the troll. Now be a good fledgling and go bye-bye.
raven, very good. You went all the way back to Moses. Now, what about Abraham? He ate what he wanted. Up till Moses, clean and unclean refers to sacrificial animals. all this is, is like the war in the Ukraine. You’re trying to BS us by pretending to be Torah compliant. Just from bragging about killing beaver shows you’re not.
Point to where Abraham did whatever he wanted. The laws where and are From YWHW our Elohim. Choice to follow them or not . Its not my burdon and if you don’t believe in YWHW then that’s also your choice but to try and push your pagan agenda on the truth is a shame.
not sure how anti torah it is to kill a nuisance animal like a beaver is but i am pretty sure its all good. Even the wicked DNR accepts it.
i am sure your bleeding vegan heart will need more of your man pads…. or whatever is your left wing beta males do.
fledgling: which of the many elohim are you referring to? Dagon, Moloch, Baal are part of the elohim.
LOL, I can’t be left wring. I’m American Indian and you liberals always hated us. The Torah allows for natural means to rid yourself of a nuisance animal. Can lions and bears be a problem for shepherds and cattlemen? Yet, both were thick in Israel as were leopards and wolves, wild boar, which will kill a calf as fast as a starving lion would. They drove out only those that went after people, crops, or livestock. Sampson had to travel to Philistine territory to find a lion that didn’t run from him. God owns these animals, we don’t. He put them here for our use. Waste them and that’s akin to murder in God’s eyes; you stole something from Him.
No one has said Father Abraham did what he wanted. He was righteous before God. But, neither did he obey these elohim you keep taking about. Nor is it mentioned anywhere that he abstained from eating animals unclean for sacrifice. Nor did he kill anything just because he wanted to. The Torah did not exist in his day. A rabbi, the cantor at my old church and was raised Torah compliant, suggests you follow that and not these elohim you keep talking about.
dz: It depends on who you talk to. Would you want the elohim of the Bible around? The Bible calls Moloch, Baal, and a host of other gods elohim. Kali worshipers came out of that mess from Babylon. Dagon ordered all imperfect children to be thrown in storm sewers for the rats to find. Moloch and others like to slow roast people. Like with the Vikings, the more screams, the greater their elohim loved it.
But, as a Christian today, I can see that I’m blessed. God will never bless an apostate, let alone any who follow all those elohim. Example, look at the poverty rate in India and Islam. Islam, as far as we can tell, started out as a Christian movement (no jihad or anything anti-Semitic is in the original Qur’an). Qur’an scholars are now saying what many thought for centuries. They went from wealthy people to poverty.
As someone raised to understand what is needed, I looked at the evidence and chose Christ. It took over a decade of hate, dropping to bitterness, to at last giving up. Everything bad with us was blamed on Christians, not apostates. One thing I agree with is, find a religion you can live with. It’s a major help to remove stress, but even to hardened atheists, psychologists recommend attend a church once a week. Take a nap and enjoy the peace. It kills stress and helps one to think straight.
its a interesting theory but Isreal wasn’t anything until they grew in population in Egypt when Joeseph saved his family and invited them in. It was after the mass exdous and leaving did the laws come Elohim YHWH……
Clearly its not hard to understand or read
Raven: Now you’re talking! Thanks to elitist pro-terrorists in Egypt, we were prevented from doing digs in ‘Goshen’. Hawass was a curse unto himself and nearly went to prison for stealing artifacts and selling them on the black market. Yet, we have miles of evidence Hebrews were in Egypt and forced into slavery. Most of this is ex-Bible like the Ipuwer papyrus and stele. https://www.bibleblender.com/2020/biblical-lessons/biblical-history/ancient-texts/complete-translation-ancient-egypt-ipuwer-papyrus
Gentile: Now you add accusations that Gd is a liar to all your other falsehoods. You do not believe Yeshua is Gd yet you dare invoke His name, and that is called blasphemy.
We don’t need a religion. We have a relationship, which is what Christianity is meant to be, to be as Adam and Eve had it. Which is something Father Abraham had with Gd. If Gd tells me something, I obey. You don’t, and have to fake a religion called holier than Gd.
At the cross, Lord Yeshua said very simply, it is finished. What was finished? Your law of death as Jesus called it, the Law of Moses. Yet not one jot or tittle shall be removed–for people like you, under the curse of death for rejecting Yeshua. The Kingdom of Gd is not about eating and drinking, but love that leads to obedience. You sinned terribly on that/missed the mark. Read Romans 14:17 and prepare for your judgment, if you are a serious believer.
How many covenants does Gd have with humanity? The last one is the New Covenant, the new testament. Moses Law was another covenant. Abraham’s covenant was another. The original covenant was with Adam and Eve, which they broke. Which covenant are followers is Messiah Yeshua under? His new covenant of love. What 2 laws were we given?
Red, if the ten commandments are naturally know laws, why did the Father write them Himself with His own finger in stone? What is the point of Him doing that if we all already know them?
Show me where before Moses we were permitted to eat tainted meats?
Gentlhart, I heard of an Elohim cult in Wisconsin that is looking for more blind fools to join them, have you applied yet?
Gentlheart: Don’t allow your ego to wreck a very good rep you have here.
Show me where anyone should eat tainted meat. Show me where God forbad humanity to ear animals UNCLEAN FOR SACRIFICE. Why can’t you do that? Because such a regulation did not exist prior to Moses.
If you think the Ten Commandments are only about the 10 commandments, you need to attend a yeshiva. They’re an outline of general law that existed prior to Noah, if Bible scholars are correct. Again, show me where God told, adamantly, Abraham and other to not eat meat from animals unclean for sacrifice.
Red, my ego has nothing to do with this.
We are talking about EATING unclean animals, not sacrificing.
Why should God tell Abraham what he already knew?
Gentlhart, this is an easy fix, bleed and field dress the animal properly including skinning in the field if preferred, keep the carcass clean while transporting – game bags work extremely well, and are recyclable – and when in the preferred location for aging / butchering, skin, clean, and trim as needed, age if preferred, then butcher how you want. And always pay “inspection” attention at every step from start to finish, to catch any taints such as damaged tissues and parasites you want to remove as soon as found.
This works very well for us Omnivores that live in the real world and are not concerned with foolish restrictions concerning what we can eat and how we prepare it.
gentlheart: YOU are talking eating something unclean. clean to you. Why do you ignore my request that you prove what you say? why are you changing the subject? Because you can’t disprove what I’ve said.
Why would God give Moses the law if they all already knew it?
Leave your ego out of this.
Gentlheart: Oh, my, now you accuse me of satanism. Infant, it’s not so much religion people don’t want to hear, but judgmental persecution. How do you know I don’t submit to Yeshua? LOL, your angel of light, Satan, destroys more than blesses. And for quite some time, I saw that every day. We call him the Great Rabbit.
Father G’d stated, “I will bless whom I will bless and chastise whom I will chastise.” If my church was not full Gospel, OT and New Covenant, our rabbi would leave. The cohanim would leave from our sister churches in Ethiopia. Did you know that Ethiopians are Jews? Except for the Coptic and Muslims, most eat pork because we’re no longer under Moses Law and Pharisaical holier-than-G’d dictatorships.
Before you make another judgmental accusation against anyone, please remember, My G’d is my revenge. And my G’d is a very jealous G’d, jealous for love of me and my well-being. From my observation, you may know a cult or two, but you do not know Bible. Peter and Paul both told the holier-than-G’d circumcision crowd where to head into. They caused a lot of trouble and though they were believers, where are they today? G’d wiped them off the face of the earth.
I cannot claim moral superiority over anyone, but can point out what G’d said, …30Then the man went to the second son and told him the same thing. ‘I will, sir,’ he said. But he did not go. 31Which of the two did the will of his father?” “The first,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God before you. 32For John came to you in a righteous way and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.… Matt 21:30-32 G’d will not bless an apostate and I am very blessed because I thank Him daily that I’m in His perfect will.
If you’re starving and I don’t mean ready for supper – Have at it.
Or, if it happens right in front of you, or you are unfortunate enough to deliver the death blow with your machine, have at it.
All the same rules apply though. Gut and drain immediately.
If the gut is punctured, either walk away or rinse and wash that meat thoroughly and immediately, not just for bacteria but for taste.
Otherwise, I’d leave it alone. Just my two cents.
Buxx: We have a large rosemary bush in the front yard. Rosemary was coated on meat after hanging it to age. Chickens were hung by the tail feathers till they fell. Rosemary used right neutralizes the effects of food poisoning. Used wrong, it can kill. What’s recommended and we use: One teaspoon dried leaves in a cup. Add boiling water. Cover and let steep for 10 minutes, then sip. No more than 2 a day, but one usually works. niio
Hey Red, thanks for the info. This is why I believe a Tribe, carefully vetted and selected is essential. Never heard that one before, but trust your knowledge.
Ed, I had grilled meat on a stick once and then discovered it was monkey. It did taste odd to me but was not bad, and no illness from eating it, but I never again ate anything based on the locals telling me “it’s good” while they ate some, and I tried to stick to poultry after that.
‘Bush meat’.
I suspect in a true end of the world scenario road kill will become a distant memory. If gas is as scarce as hen’s teeth, two things are going to happen. Driving will be much slower than it is today. If you have a working motor vehicle and if you have fuel to make it run, you are going to be driving sedately at 50 to 55 mph in order to get the maximum mileage from your limited supply of fuel.
Secondly, roads are not going to be maintained. They will rapidly be covered with debris which will remain in place. There won’t be hundreds of motorists driving by whatever spot has debris on it, some of whom will stop and clear it away. Pothole will not be repaired and you will want to drive slowly so as to not damage the only set of tires you have.
A fast moving car is noisy from engine noise to wind noise and the sound of tires going over pavement. If things are as zombie-ish as some postulate, you won’t want to rush into an ambush. You will be advancing at a moderate pace while searching for possible danger.
I think the days of cruising down a well-maintained highway at 75 mph will be a thing of the past.
Finally, with no game wardens lurking behind a dummy deer, it will be open season and anywhere there are humans, game will be scarce to non-existent.
Ed: you were eating a dish called omerice. It is a dialect pronunciation of “omelet rice” a very popular dish of GIs who served in the Far East. Almost every base had a stand outside the main gate where omerice was at the top of the menu list. You never want to ask what’s in it. Just eat and enjoy.
Yes, unless Fido is being used as a warning device and Tabby is bring home lots of rodents for the pot, they are going to be on the menu fairly quickly. Don’t turn up your nose at rodents. If nothing else, they can be chopped up for Tabby and Fido to eat. That two hundred pounds of animal chow in the garage looks like a lot but you will be amazed at how quickly that seemingly mountain of food shrinks.
You are absolutely right, Chuck. Sorry you live on the “Left Coast”! We are from the Farms & Forests of Lake Huron. Plentiful with game, fish, and armaments!
What about boiling the heck out of it? I mean a full roiling boil, for about 15 – 20 minutes. That should kill any harmful bacteria or other contaminations in the “road kill” and/or the water correct?
Most of what we call food poisoning is from the toxins of the decay bacteria/gut contamination.
Boiling it is not successful.
If it’s fresh it’s useful. Otherwise the saying “When in doubt throw it out “.
If you have chickens you could setup a Soldier Fly bucket so they consume the road kill and the chickens enjoy the larve. Two things, the bucket will stink and if you free range your chickens that will draw predators.
Michael: Good advice. niio
Old School, if a carcass has been contaminated by a ruptured digestive tract, it will taint any meat it contacts, and you should avoid anything tainted. This is why, while growing up, we were taught to take game with head shots, including birds with a .22. Head shots do not contaminate or waste the meat. For roadkill, you should do a very critical examination, salvage untainted meat, and leave the rest for scavengers like Ravens.
One thing that I did not see mentioned is the cooking of it or preservation of it. The way it is cooked will kill of most of the bacteria if bought up to the right temperature. But it does not kill certain kinds so be cautious.
Dreaded: Fresh is best. The moment anything dies, bacteria start to feed. When most are harmless, they can leave toxins that do kill. We use rosemary to stop the problem. niio
For really gross roadkill, keep plastic bags to collect it with, then bring it home for your chickens (which you should have in a SHTF situation. Either dump it into a bucket with holes that is hanging up higher than the hens, or just toss out into the yard. If you hang it up, flies will infest it, and their larve will drop out the holes and the chickens and other fowl will gobble this free protien and turn that yucky roadkill into fresh eggs, or good protien for you. SHTF isn’t here yet? Do this even now. My buckets are about six years old.
Topics like this is why I went vegan. GROSS
I think you are on the wrong site,ma’am
LB: I tried that for four years and wound up hospitalized 4 times, and a lot of time spent in doctors’ offices. If it works for you, I applaud you, but I’m American Indian and on the advice of carnivores, left it and went right to animal fat. No more problems, at least like those from that diet. Be blessed.
I Think after SHTF, there will be a lot of “soup” or if you have it “stew”. I agree, roadkill is doable. Look, trappers in Alaska will take it for bait. so they might not eat it, but the trap will catch something they can eat. Also, all meat will be well cooked, and possibly heavily seasoned, so you don’t taste the taint. I expect we will lose our squeamishness of not be here.
Sorry Dear, you think better on meat.
I saw a cab over tractor hit the rack and head of a buck one night. The body never got touched, loaded him up in the service truck, it was 22 degrees that night. During our lunch break we skinned, gutted and carved him up on the washbay. If I don’t know how long it’s been there, I’m a little more squeamish.
Very good article, Charl. As many wise heads pointed out, roadkill hath a multitude of uses. I have a cuz in WV who raises catfish on it. Nothing goes in the water, but carcasses are put on 1/4 inch welded wire, and things feeding on the meat feet the fish. If ravens come by, be welcome. They also hunt mice and snakes.
Fresh is best, and even then please make sure the guts are not busted. Most E.coli deaths are caused by just a small smear of manure on the meat. The bacteria spread like wildfire and do kill.
1st things 1st. Meat must be washed and packed in salt ASAP to stop bacteria.
Pre-refrigeration, people aged meat until tender, and coated it with rosemary. Rosemary neutralizes the effects of food poisoning. We use 1 teaspoon of dried leaves in a cup. Pour boiling water over that, cover, let steep for 10 minutes. No more than 2 cups a day or the tea can cause poisoning. Medicine is like that. respect it. 1 cup usually does the trick. niio
can’t eat catfish it its a bottom feeder without scales…. Goes against the law Elohim….
which leaves more for those who know better and don’t subscribe to your ignorance.
Whirly bird: Show me where eating catfish, something Abraham would have done, is against the Laws of Elohim. The Law of Moses was only one covenant and began well after Father Abraham. Abraham had his covenant which Israel lived under till Moses. If eating catfish is so bad, why allow cannibalism? Solomon judged between two women who had eating one’s baby, but they argued about eating the other woman’s baby. His judgment had nothing to do with what was for dinner.
dz: Ancient Mexican wisdom, fewer burros in the corral, more corn for the rest. Twitter does not get it, nor Exodus, who should. In an emergency, Moses food laws go out the window. If he wants to allow his family to starve when there’s tons of food laying around, so be it. God calls that murder. For reference, read about Solomon and the widows who ate a dead baby. niio
cat fish don’t scales red….
And יהוה spoke to Mosheh and to Aharon, saying to them, “Speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘These are the living creatures which you do eat among all the beasts that are on the earth: ‘Whatever has a split hoof completely divided, chewing the cud, among the beasts, that you do eat. ‘Only, these you do not eat among those that chew the cud or those that have a split hoof: the camel, because it chews the cud but does not have a split hoof, it is unclean to you; and the rabbit, because it chews the cud but does not have a split hoof, it is unclean to you; and the hare, because it chews the cud but does not have a split hoof, it is unclean to you; and the pig, though it has a split hoof, completely divided, yet does not chew the cud, it is unclean to you. ‘Their flesh you do not eat, and their carcasses you do not touch. They are unclean to you. ‘These you do eat of all that are in the waters: any one that has fins and scales in the waters, in the seas or in the rivers, that you do eat. ‘But all that have not fins and scales in the seas and in the rivers, all that move in the waters or any living being which is in the waters, they are an abomination to you. ‘They are an abomination to you – of their flesh you do not eat, and their carcasses you abominate. ‘All that have not fins or scales in the waters are an abomination to you. ‘And these you do abominate among the birds, they are not eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the vulture, and the black vulture, and the hawk, and the falcon after its kind, every raven after its kind, and the ostrich, and the nighthawk, and the seagull, and the hawk after its kind, and the little owl, and the fisher owl, and the great owl, and the white owl, and the pelican, and the carrion vulture, and the stork, the heron after its kind, and the hoopoe, and the bat. ‘All flying insects that creep on all fours is an abomination to you. ‘Only, these you do eat of every flying insect that creeps on all fours: those which have jointed legs above their feet with which to leap on the earth. ‘These of them you do eat: the arbeh-locust after its kind, and the solam-locust after its kind, and the ḥargol-locust after its kind, and the ḥagaḇ-locust after its kind. ‘But all other flying insects which have four feet are an abomination to you. ‘And by these you are made unclean, anyone touching the carcass of any of them is unclean until evening, and anyone picking up part of the carcass of any of them has to wash his garments, and shall be unclean until evening. ‘Every beast that has a split hoof not completely divided, or does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. Anyone who touches their carcass is unclean. ‘And whatever goes on its paws, among all the creatures that go on all fours, those are unclean to you. Anyone who touches their carcass is unclean until evening, and he who picks up their carcass has to wash his garments, and shall be unclean until evening. They are unclean to you. ‘And these are unclean to you among the creeping creatures that creep on the earth: the mole, and the mouse, and the tortoise after its kind, and the gecko, and the land crocodile, and the sand reptile, and the sand lizard, and the chameleon. ‘These are unclean to you among all that creep. Anyone who touches them when they are dead becomes unclean until evening. ‘And whatever any of them in its dead state falls upon, becomes unclean, whether it is any wooden object or garment or skin or sack, any object in which work is done, it is put in water. And it shall be unclean until evening, then it shall be clean. ‘Any earthen vessel into which any of them falls, whatever is in it becomes unclean, and you break it. ‘Any of the food which might be eaten, on which water comes, becomes unclean, and any drink which might be drunk from it becomes unclean. ‘And on whatever any of their carcass falls becomes unclean – an oven or cooking range – it is broken down. They are unclean, and are unclean to you. ‘But a fountain or a well, a collection of water, is clean, but whatever touches their carcass is unclean. ‘And when any of their carcass falls on any planting seed which is to be sown, it is clean. ‘But when any water is put on the seed and any part of any such carcass falls on it, it is unclean to you. ‘And when any of the beasts which are yours for food dies, he who touches its carcass becomes unclean until evening. ‘And he who eats of its carcass has to wash his garments, and shall be unclean until evening. And he who picks up its carcass has to wash his garments, and shall be unclean until evening. ‘And every swarming creature – the one that swarms on the earth is an abomination, it is not eaten. ‘Whatever crawls on its stomach, and whatever goes on all fours, and whatever has many feet among all swarming creatures – the ones swarming on the earth, these you do not eat, for they are an abomination. ‘Do not make yourselves abominable with any swarming creature – the one swarming, and do not make yourselves unclean with them, lest you be defiled by them. ‘For I am יהוה your Elohim, and you shall set yourselves apart. And you shall be set-apart, for I am set-apart. And do not defile yourselves with any swarming creature – the one creeping on the earth. ‘For I am יהוה who is bringing you up out of the land of Mitsrayim, to be your Elohim. And you shall be set-apart, for I am set-apart. ‘This is the Torah of the beasts and the birds and every living being – the creeping creature in the waters, and of every being that swarms on the earth, to make a distinction between the unclean and the clean, and between the living creature that is eaten and the living creature that is not eaten.’ ”
Wayyiqra (Leviticus) 11:1-47 TS2009
https://bible.com/bible/316/lev.11.1-47.TS2009
secondly it wasn’t solomon with the two women who ate the other son.
Red salt is nice but unless you live next to a source of salt (like the ocean or what WAS an ocean eons ago) you’re going to run out.
I’ve 2 40-gallon barrels full of it but with trade and sharing to useful folks that too will run out. Coarse stuff needs grinding but pure and safe.
Reminds me to check lumber yard for more of those 40-gallon screw tops. Might want to add more.
Red what about Drying it? Cook or render out the fats (also a hard-to-get IMPORTANT item for survival) and eat what you cannot dry for later.
I’ve made jerky, pemmican and South African Bliton and they are all excellent for storage.
Catfish, yummy if you run it through a day or two of fresh water buckets.
Raven don’t like Catfish. Many Generations of God-fearing bible reading southerners would politely say to you “Bless your heart”. I hope your SHTF training and skills are better than your application of the Bible.
And יהוה spoke to Mosheh and to Aharon, saying to them, “Speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘These are the living creatures which you do eat among all the beasts that are on the earth: ‘Whatever has a split hoof completely divided, chewing the cud, among the beasts, that you do eat. ‘Only, these you do not eat among those that chew the cud or those that have a split hoof: the camel, because it chews the cud but does not have a split hoof, it is unclean to you; and the rabbit, because it chews the cud but does not have a split hoof, it is unclean to you; and the hare, because it chews the cud but does not have a split hoof, it is unclean to you; and the pig, though it has a split hoof, completely divided, yet does not chew the cud, it is unclean to you. ‘Their flesh you do not eat, and their carcasses you do not touch. They are unclean to you. ‘These you do eat of all that are in the waters: any one that has fins and scales in the waters, in the seas or in the rivers, that you do eat. ‘But all that have not fins and scales in the seas and in the rivers, all that move in the waters or any living being which is in the waters, they are an abomination to you. ‘They are an abomination to you – of their flesh you do not eat, and their carcasses you abominate. ‘All that have not fins or scales in the waters are an abomination to you. ‘And these you do abominate among the birds, they are not eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the vulture, and the black vulture, and the hawk, and the falcon after its kind, every raven after its kind, and the ostrich, and the nighthawk, and the seagull, and the hawk after its kind, and the little owl, and the fisher owl, and the great owl, and the white owl, and the pelican, and the carrion vulture, and the stork, the heron after its kind, and the hoopoe, and the bat. ‘All flying insects that creep on all fours is an abomination to you. ‘Only, these you do eat of every flying insect that creeps on all fours: those which have jointed legs above their feet with which to leap on the earth. ‘These of them you do eat: the arbeh-locust after its kind, and the solam-locust after its kind, and the ḥargol-locust after its kind, and the ḥagaḇ-locust after its kind. ‘But all other flying insects which have four feet are an abomination to you. ‘And by these you are made unclean, anyone touching the carcass of any of them is unclean until evening,
Wayyiqra (Leviticus) 11:1-24 TS2009
https://bible.com/bible/316/lev.11.1-24.TS2009
Michael: I read a book about the history of salt and was surprised to learn therexare numerous salt licks or outcroppings of salt all across the Midwest. Salt mines exist in many areas. There is a huge salt mine underSt. Louis or Kansas City that has numerous government offices in it. I had some government correspondence that went to an address like “Block 2634, Stop 213. It’s been a couple of years now and it was a one time thing so you have exhausted my data banks in that regard.
Check your local historical society or county Ag office. I’ll bet they can tell you about salt deposits in your area.
Red posted quite a while ago some. Plants that one can harvest salt from. I thin one was hickory roots and there were two rather common vegetables that extract sat from the ground. Perhaps he will remind us.
Michael: Meat to be dried was fresh. If it was hot out, damp twists of grass ands green twigs were burn under it to keep flies from laying eggs. Any roadkill that’s lain even for a few hours may have corpse beetles. It will have fly eggs and probably maggots in it. If starving, eat at your own risk, but please, make sure to cook it with rosemary. The fledgling chickenhawk is all right. Then he opens his mouth… niio
LCC, Michael: https://practicalselfreliance.com/coltsfoot-salt/
https://www.wikihow.com/Extract-Salt-from-Plants
along with that, American Indians will take bean straw (dead plants) and burn them, and use that for salt in them. Hardwood ashes contain potassium and are also used in place of salt.
https://practicalselfreliance.com/wood-ash-uses/ This one discusses food preservation with ashes. Niio
wow Magpie, I didn’t know insects had four legs, we were taught they have six legs. And a bat is a mammal, not a bird. maybe you have the wrong translation? Or better yet, why don’t you get real for a change, observe and learn from Mother Nature, and then figure out how foolish you are when posting nonsense and lying about others.
By the way, since you can read minds as well as predict everyone’s future, how about telling everyone about the false claims you have made about other posters, such as where they live, what their futures will be, and now you’re even making claims about what religion they may follow. All ignorant guessing at best.
Sorry if the Truth upsets you.. . I guess go back to worshiping your pagan cathlolics gods then
Do you ever think about just taking a pass and letting it go Mr Raven Expert Prepper?
do it all the time…. i didn’t tell people they have to do what we do.. Just the law
Stool Pigeon: then stop mocking others for their beliefs.
Red none of what i said mocks… others…. You choose to name call and trash everyone that disagrees with you. Not really my problem but i honestly don’t care. You’re a old ass man who did nothing with his life and the idea of “preparedness is living off your disability checks that FDR handed you when he was still alive.
raven, again you lie just to cause trouble. you mock, sneer, and lie about people. You twist people’s words and are a legend in your own mind. were you abused as a child that you hate everyone? Your posts say that. when you’re good, you’re great and I never fail to point out the good posts. Let us alone to learn here. Stop playing the fool just to get attention. You have a mind, stop allowing the past to hurt you. Mocker, I got a loan from the VA because I had a good income and always paid up bills up front. You just mocked every ex-military who comes here sneering at them if they have a disability.
yeah i told the VA to suck the shitty home loan. The only thing it would be good for is if youre buying a 100 percent of the loan and not pay the PMI…. however everything else is lame. A local bank gave us a better rate and less of a headache to get to the loan. Besides the VA loans are anti homestead …. they for some reason think its a crime for a memember to want to make a living off their own property.
sigh, raven, A lot changed in Trump’s last year in office. I’m paying lower interest from the VA loan than from a regular loan. 480.00/month payment is less than half I would have to pay to rent. My credit union couldn’t match that. Trump changed the regs and i could now buy a small farm were I on the VA ag program. They now allow people to buy fixer-uppers to make into rentals.
Payments are made directly from a checking account to the loan offices, so each payment was on time. And as well, everything else. It took my credit from minimal to getting close to 800. Net result, I have 8,000 in credit cards–but!, I never go over 30% use, and that boosts my credit. Cards are paid off as soon as possible, as well.
Meanwhile, when do you start tomatoes and peppers? In Penna, we always had some on the east and south sides of the house. Even if the weather took a hard dip, under plastic tents, we were still getting good fruit, sometimes till Christmas.
Magpie, what do your “laws” say about lying? You are definitely guilty as hell making false claims about others, so is that part of your “religion”? And for the record, I am “non-denominational”, as in, my church is nature, not anything written by men. Does that make me a Pagan? If so, then maybe I’m a Druid? C’mon now false blasphemer, keep spouting your deceits so all can witness.
Do what I do. I am vegetarian, but I put road kill into a pressure cooker and cook it til the bones get soft, and feed it to my dogs. They love it.
It can be canned or frozen after the pressure cooker.
Well, after reading the complete list of comments, I learned two things. Be careful with roadkill and recognize what is good and what is bad. Second, religion really doesn’t belong in this. Thank you all for great ideas on how to retrieve and process “good” roadkill.
its a way of life and the truth not really some fake pagan bs.
It is the comments of obviously mentally disturbed people on this site that make it the laughing stock of online survival blogs.
explains why you’re here then
I sure wish we could stick to trying to pass reliable information and leave all the name calling and petty bickering out. Prepping is serious business, folks, and as B Franklin, I think, said, “If we don’t hang together, we most assuredly will hang separately. “
I am reading a book about the formation of Communist Russia under Lenin. His tactics at the beginning sound so much like what is happening in Washington it is scary.
That’s all for tonight. Tomorrow I will post a comment of his that should chill you to the core when you compare it to Washington andcsome state governments.
LCC: who wooda thunk it, the dnc and Lenin 🙂 Hitler was in love with Lenin and liberals love hitler. niio
So was FDR and Wilson an the Kennedys’….. but
The stuff in the Ukraine i can see why Putin is upset about “nato encroaching on the borders” We have no business trying to mess with a countries borders and not be able to handle our own.
The sad truth is the american military is weak and broken so it wouldn’t be much of a fight anyways.
yeah so what the us has no reason to be in the ukraine….
Raven, yes, fact, but please remember, Crimea was colonized by the USSR. It was once a nation of the Tartars and allied, then became a part of the Ukraine. Putin has no business in Crimea. Crimeans were an independent state for generations and allied to their kin, the Tartars of the Ukraine. Ukraine is ordering all adult civilians to be armed and ready. niio
In some areas, roadkills are assiduously reported every day because there are volunteer “clean-up” teams that grab the carcasses, as fresh as they can get them, and donate them to the local zoo. It is highly expensive to get enough meat for any of the large predators, and most carcasses, if gathered fresh enough, can be safely eaten by such predators, as their digestive systems are able to handle such things. Also, if the carcass is too far gone for the big cats, a large zoo will often have scavengers like hyenas and vultures that are even more immune to spoiling meat that would make a human terribly ill. Many zoos encourage sport hunters to donate their kills even if they don’t have roadkill crews donating. If you are a hunter and prefer only select parts, check in with any nearby zoo and see what their donation policy is. If they don’t have one, it may be that your interest may spark them to make a new policy. Waste not, want not can be expanded to include your whole community with the right mindset.
Hiai: A lot of states have a list of people who want deer for themselves. Most states (as far as I understand) will allow people to take home a deer they found along the road to eat. niio
The DNR which is a evil gov group. Does allow people to call in for Deer road kill… (the kings deer i suppose)
raven, good comment, the king’s deer.
About 20 yrs or so ago, we were on vacation and heading across SD when a pheasant flew across our path and engaged the grill on the car. My wife starts yelling, “Stop, stop!” In my older wisdom, I said, “Why? It’s dead”. She says that we can eat it for dinner. I’m thinking that it’s a couple of hours to the campsite, so why not. She peels that bird off the grill, sticks it in a bag and throws it in the cooler. We get to our campsite, and I set up camp while she cleans the bird. It was a young bird, and a little tough. But, it was good eats. My daughter couldn’t believe we did that, but she chowed down on it with a smile on her face. We weren’t starving, but I wasn’t going to let it go to waste either.
Long: With me, it was rabbits and once a turkey. The owl that suicided on my windshield one night went to the college. Skunks were left to entertain the flies, but fox and coyotes became nice skins. niio
red, when I was stationed overseas, sometimes cobras would lay out on the pavement to sun, so we would try to run over their head and if we succeeded, we would let the locals know where and they would go collect them for the skins. Made for very good relations with them, but that is also how I was unknowingly “introduced” to grilled monkey on a bamboo skewer. The locals also showed me how they spear fish, and handline with self-made lures, so I mimicked them and made lures myself, used them with my rod and reel and started catching a lot more fish. Observe and learn has worked well for me, especially when in unknown territory.
dz: And were smart enough to grow in your skills. I like that. I think–no, I know I’d rather eat roadkill than fish, but every now and then after going hungry for a few days, even fish tasted like food. Especially if cooked on a smoky fire LOL. A cousin, a forensic scientist, was raised about like all of us in the family. Skinny and barely 5″3″ she survived officer training in Army and did better than a lot of the men. She said she remembered how I would take a cabbage leaf to boil water and did that with the earthworms before she roasted them and ate them. niio
red, if the roadkill was fresh and met my standards, I also would prefer game birds and animals over fish, but I grew up fishing both fresh and salt water, and am pretty good at it, which is very handy when your wife is Asian and loves fresh seafood. Happy wife, happy life – well, it helps anyway.
Living near the ocean(s) all my life, I know how and can easily harvest shellfish like crabs and clams if I were desperate, and crawdads in fresh water, but I don’t like shellfish, so I don’t normally harvest any unless I want it as bait. The only ral exception was when stationed overseas, we discovered that after dark we could stand on the rocks along the shore with a bright light and catch large shrimp with hand nets, the kind charter boats use for the bait tanks. So, I would catch a few shrimps, use a couple for bait and set out some lines for finned fish, then collect more shrimp, sometimes filling up a Ziplock sandwich bag or two depending on the seasons and weather. I also learned how to jig for fresh squid, which is bait for me and food for the wife.
My first thought on roadkill was it can make mighty fine raw hide lol.
I’m not going to be eating much of it though, we’re just not in the right climate for that.
Ginny, same here about climate, it’s usually pretty warm, but if I actually witness an animal get hit by me or someone else, I may consider stopping to mercy kill if needed, then examine closely and decide if I want to salvage depending on what it is, and what is the condition of the carcass.
dz: Shellfish are about the only fish I never had a gag-me over. If I get hungry for fish, it’s due to a phosphorus deficiency. some cheese or milk usually stops it. niio
red, one thing I learned about eating fish is it really needs to be fresh to be best, even refrigerating overnight increases the “fishy” taste, and frozen then thawed is just overbearing. The species and conditions the fish was living in also affect the flavor, maybe even the texture. Most people don’t get “fresh” fish even though it is often labeled that in the markets, so they never know the difference, then other people that are accustomed to or prefer fish accept the differences caused by refrigeration and freezing and still like it.
dz: When I was a preteen, we used to catch, clean, and roast over a smoky fire a lot of fish. I ate it because it was that or have to go home to eat. I like lox and other smoked fish. Will not eat regular fish if I can help it, not even trout still slapping at me in the frying pan. Fresh water eel is good, but it tastes like lobster. niio
SeaGull, why don’t you clarify exactly what you are referring to when you post about “the Law of Elohim”, and is it one god, or many gods? Sounds Pagan to me, I’ll pass. By the way, do you sacrifice animals to your “deity”? Have you ever been asked to sacrifice a child to prove your “devotion” to a “deity”? I’ve heard stories about things like that, maybe you can “enlighten” us infidels. From Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
“Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים, romanized: ʾĚlōhīm: [(ʔ)eloˈ(h)im]) is a Hebrew word meaning “God” or “gods”. Although the word is plural in form, in the Hebrew Bible it usually refers to a single deity,[1][2][3][4] particularly (but not always) the God of Israel.[1][2][3][4][5][6] At other times it refers to deities in the plural.[1][2][3][4][5][6]
Morphologically, the word is the plural form of the word eloah[1][2][4][7][8][9] and related to el. It is cognate to the word ‘l-h-m which is found in Ugaritic, where it is used as the pantheon for Canaanite gods, the children of El, and conventionally vocalized as “Elohim”. Most uses of the term Elohim in the later Hebrew text imply a view that is at least monolatrist at the time of writing, and such usage (in the singular), as a proper title for the supreme deity, is generally not considered to be synonymous with the term elohim, “gods” (plural, simple noun). Rabbinic scholar Maimonides wrote that the various other usages are commonly understood to be homonyms.[10]
One theory suggests that the notion of divinity underwent radical changes in the early period of Israelite identity and development of Ancient Hebrew religion. In this view, the ambiguity of the term elohim is the result of such changes, cast in terms of “vertical translatability”, i.e. the re-interpretation of the gods of the earliest recalled period as the national god of monolatrism as it emerged in the 7th to 6th century BCE in the Kingdom of Judah and during the Babylonian captivity, and further in terms of monotheism by the emergence of Rabbinical Judaism in the 2nd century CE.”
and there is a lot more listed in Wikipedia if you open the link and scroll down:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
dz: Elohim, plural. The shema when properly translated is Hear, O Israel the Lord (singular) your All-Mighties are one in unity. this is leading Jews by the thousands–often led by rabbis–into Messianic Christianity.
the word god means holy, not All Mighty.
In the 12th century, Maimonides wrote a paper to stop Jews from becoming Christians, claiming Elohim meant one person, not three in the godhead. Rabbis ran him out of Spain for blasphemy and he settled in Egypt, where he felt more comfortable among Muslims. Prior to Christ, Hillel rewrote Moses Law to show Pharisees were holier than God. Jesus had a lot to say about that blasphemy.
Jesus as Jehovah, another title, is in every book in the Bible. niio
Claude, I have a pending post asking about Elohim that shows: “Your comment is awaiting moderation”, why is that?
dz: same here. niio
SeaGull, why don’t you clarify exactly what you are referring to when you post about “the Law of Elohim”, and is it one god, or many gods? Sounds Pagan to me, I’ll pass. By the way, do you sacrifice animals to your “deity”? Have you ever been asked to sacrifice a child to prove your “devotion” to a “deity”? I’ve heard stories about things like that, maybe you can “enlighten” us infidels. From Wikipedia:
“Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים, romanized: ʾĚlōhīm: [(ʔ)eloˈ(h)im]) is a Hebrew word meaning “God” or “gods”. Although the word is plural in form, in the Hebrew Bible it usually refers to a single deity,[1][2][3][4] particularly (but not always) the God of Israel.[1][2][3][4][5][6] At other times it refers to deities in the plural.[1][2][3][4][5][6]
Morphologically, the word is the plural form of the word eloah[1][2][4][7][8][9] and related to el. It is cognate to the word ‘l-h-m which is found in Ugaritic, where it is used as the pantheon for Canaanite gods, the children of El, and conventionally vocalized as “Elohim”. Most uses of the term Elohim in the later Hebrew text imply a view that is at least monolatrist at the time of writing, and such usage (in the singular), as a proper title for the supreme deity, is generally not considered to be synonymous with the term elohim, “gods” (plural, simple noun). Rabbinic scholar Maimonides wrote that the various other usages are commonly understood to be homonyms.[10]
One theory suggests that the notion of divinity underwent radical changes in the early period of Israelite identity and development of Ancient Hebrew religion. In this view, the ambiguity of the term elohim is the result of such changes, cast in terms of “vertical translatability”, i.e. the re-interpretation of the gods of the earliest recalled period as the national god of monolatrism as it emerged in the 7th to 6th century BCE in the Kingdom of Judah and during the Babylonian captivity, and further in terms of monotheism by the emergence of Rabbinical Judaism in the 2nd century CE.”
and there is a lot more information if you search for Elohim, open the link to Wikipedia and scroll down to see a lot more.
Last thing i would ever use for research is Wikipedia but i can link you to the scriptures if you wish.
https://www.bible.com/versions/316-ts2009-the-scriptures-2009
SeaGull, why would I ever be interested in any of the fanatical c**p written by men that you subscribe to? Your hypocrisy, lies, and deceitful conduct are all the proof anyone needs to know not to follow your false proselytizing.
Sorry if you don’t read or believe in the Bible…. so then i wouldn’t understand why you’re upset with how we choose to live then.
raven, while I agree about wiki, they do have their points, and anyone who understands a touch of research can fact check.
red, don’t misinterpret my reference from Wikipedia, I rarely open any links to them but did so out of curiosity, and decided to post it for reaction, and did you notice, Seagull the Pretender still won’t answer any of the questions I ask him. The horsefly always deflects, makes excuses, or attacks with more lies and bad conduct, which all just proves my point that there is no way I would ever be swayed by anything that lying, deceitful, hypocrite has to say. Actually, he sounds like a delusional Libtard Troll when you think about it.
and what questions are those ?
dz: While I’m not allowed to use Wikipedia because it’s easily changeable, I don’t avoid it for personal use. The owner made a serious mistake leaving it open. An atheist but more a moderate than liberal he’s deeply ashamed that his life work is being wrecked. He is working on the problem. niio
now for something useful
https://urbansurvivalsite.com/beginners-guide-to-campfire-cooking/
https://homesteadsurvivalsite.com/cast-iron-cooking-mistakes/
dz: i like to see posts like these. One funny thing is, a lot of city people are immigrants from small towns or farms. I’ve cousins who were raised country but earned a Ph.D in anything from biology to archeology, nursing, engineering. Most of us went to college on the GI Bill. All of us can sit and talk about raising livestock, processing dairy, meat animals, hiking, foraging. What they know, they teach others. Most are also gearing up for the future and stocking up on diapers, powder, and so on. when push comes to SHTF, there’s going to be a lot of orphans in need of family. the old-times called it child wealth, and adopted as many as they could. niio
yup, Seagull the X-spurt remains as clueless as ever, remains dishonest, refuses to learn, denies his lies, deceit, and hypocrisy, and still won’t answer any of the questions I ask him, such as many months ago after he said he had students I asked, “how do we sign up for your classes?”
until recently several questions about his fanatical beliefs such as “what do your “laws” say about lying? You are definitely guilty as hell making false claims about others, so is that part of your “religion?”,
and also “why don’t you clarify exactly what you are referring to when you post about “the Law of Elohim”, and is it one god, or many gods? Sounds Pagan to me, I’ll pass. By the way, do you sacrifice animals to your “deity”? Have you ever been asked to sacrifice a child to prove your “devotion” to a “deity”? I’ve heard stories about things like that, maybe you can “enlighten” us infidels”
but Seagull the False X-spurt is too much of a cowardly Libtard Troll to answer my questions.
you seem like the retarded specal needs child that someone should of abandoned in a well shaft.
I gave you the Laws of Elohim which i also gave you the link to the Scriptures translation of the Bible. The sacerfices are unessary as Yeshusa died for your sins. However the “rules how to live still apply” nobody is condeming anyone for not following them and its mostly the Catholic pagan church who is responible for destroying whats written in the bible. A truely evil group of greedly fools they are and the pope is nothing short of a version of the anti christ. i would ask what lies i told you ? as well.
Anyways Deez Nuts have a good day
Seagull the False X-spurt, what lies have you told? Let’s start with your false claims you had students and refused to answer when I asked about your “classes”. Then you posted a lot of lies falsely claiming everyone that did not agree with your ignorance as being city dwellers and going to die for it. You also posted false accusations about what other posters beliefs are, more of your ignorant lies, and recently you falsely claimed you don’t call other posters names, another lie, and all just to annoy others, not doing one bit of good for anyone. As I’ve said before, you are a prime example of what Not to do. You are definitely delusional and beyond redemption. What’s really sad is you either don’t realize it, and/or intentionally remain in denial.
Now run along and sex some poults or something else you can handle even though its winter “dumbass”. Do you even remember calling me that in your reply when I posted for you to get busy and plant some wheat? Another lie, another denial. You truly are a False X-spurt. If you are an example of “following the laws of Elohim”, I want no part of your fanatical hypocrisy.
Disparaging those who are challenged, using derogatory insulting language about people with disabilities and saying we should abandon then in a well shaft crosses a line, Raven.
What does your god say about people who say the things you say?
You go believe whatever you want, but for me I wouldn’t want to be anywhere on the earth or in the here after – with any tribe or flock that would include the likes of you.
You are obviously someone who will say or do anything for attention – your own pathetic version of a shock jock.
You are an oxygen thief.
SWTS: God curses such people as unnatural. Yeshuia/Yawh (Jesus Jehovah) said, the second law of God is you shall love your neighbor as yourself. When asked who that neighbor is, he told the parable of the good Samaritan, a people hated by Pharisees. While Pharisees claimed to adhere to the Torah, they were far from it.
Now, that’s a great line! niio
Seagull the False X-spurt, here is another of your lies:
“nobody is condeming anyone …”
you condemn and lie about others all the time, again proving what an ignorant, lying, hypocrite you really are. It’s so easy when you make it obvious for all to witness. For your family’s sake, please stay in your little “safety bubble” because I doubt you could function anywhere else.
and you still haven’t answered anything, you just make excuses and divert like the Libtard Troll you are.
answer me this: what do your “Laws” say about your lying, hypocrisy, and bad conduct?
Deez nuts its the same laws you should be following….. However i don’t lie… don’t have bad conduct and what Hypocrisy……. As far my Safety bubble…. we dont have to many Torah followers around us so its not exactly a huge thing by us.
sorry your retirement center took away the pudding and you got nothing left but your golf cart and beating kids off your fake dirt lawn….
Seagull the False X-spurt, you claim, “However i don’t lie” and then are so stupid you then post “sorry your retirement center took away the pudding and you got nothing left but your golf cart and beating kids off your fake dirt lawn….” More of your ignorant lies and false accusations just to antagonize others. I’m not retired, I’ve never been to a retirement center, I don’t play golf or have a golf cart, I don’t beat kids or chase them away, my “dirt lawn” is very real and even has some places with compost mixed in and is growing a lot of “weeds” everywhere because of the winter rains.
Seagull the False X-spurt, you posted “we dont have to many Torah followers around us…” If you are an example of a Torah follower, I can see why others want to avoid you and anything that promotes your fanatical attitude and bad conduct. I also avoid Satanists, radical Muslims, fascist Antifa, junkies, pedophiles, thieves, in your face LGBT, the mentally deranged, woke snowflakes and Libtards – you fit right in with my “do not associate” list.
dz: what’s wrong with satanists? Most are pretty conservative, tho I don’t agree wit their religion. Radical Muslims, if you were a Bible student, I’d say debate. Even a real fanatic will stop and want to talk, unlike some cheats and backstabbers we know. Word is, biden is hauling in refugees from Afghanistan but a lot of Americans are still stuck there. I cannot for the life of me see why new atheism people and a lot of gays vote liberal. Liberals smile at them but let in fanatics, and those fanatics will kill an atheist or gay every chance they get.
It’s 5:30 and 29F out. One more night of frost, and hopefully no more till Christmas! niio
you’re one dumb fuck that is for sure.
Torah observant people are not radical… They are mostly people sick of the modern church who does nothing but offer a weak message and look at who gives the most offerings. They filled it with additional bullshit and won’t stand up for the Faith. They offer no advice for the tough times ahead and bury there heads in the sand. You wonder why people are fleeing the churches in droves…. Well thats why. Torah observant is going back to what the church was supposed to be before the cathloics destroyed it and wrecked it all. Allow the devil to influnse and confuse the world and polluted the word.
so if the “radical thing is to teach the word from scripture in house with close friends then so be it. I rather have 20 strong in there faith then 2000 sheep who only show up to “do church”
all islam btw is evil and they want you dead. and satanist are never cool, the fact that you would even allow them near you shows your lack of maturity in following YWHA….
have a nice day i’ll even add you two fools to the prayer list at our church.
False X-spurt, how do you intend to add us to your “prayer list” when you don’t have a clue who we are? I am not interested in your ignorant fanatical nonsense.
I can pray for the “fools i know and Elohim knows who you are…. You really should worry more about whats coming and following Him.
False X-spurt, I’m more prepared than you’ll ever know, and subscribing to the writings of men used to deceive others is not included.
I will admit you are good at one thing, and that is driving away others and ruining any hope of convincing anyone outside of your little cult group of anything. Now go drink your Kool-Aid and spout more nonsense, you are doing an excellent job promoting Agnostic views.
False X-spurt, you posted “Torah observant people are not radical…”, which is another of your lies, you are most definitely radical, dishonest, arrogant, ignorant, and a hypocrite, and if you are any example of “Torah observant people” I’ll add them to my “do not associate” list. Please share this at your next prayer meeting while you pass around the Kool-Aid.
What makes them radical ? Wanting to follow laws of Elohim.. ? Breaking away from the corrupt churches who obey and love Gov regulations …. Weak messages and poor leadership..
Totally radical… and maybe it is… Yeshusa was rather radical too when he came into his mission and flipped the world on its on head.. So I guess i’ll follow in the path of him then your misguided self loathing dying lifestyles.
False X-spurt, you really need to take some reading comprehension courses. YOU are the example of a truly delusional and radical Torah follower. YOUR deceitful and antagonizing conduct is an example of what is NOT acceptable. YOUR fanatical “in your face” lies, false accusations, and hypocrisy are all reasons to avoid anything to do with YOUR Torah and Elohim. Thank you for doing such a good job showing others what NOT to do.
For the record, I have met other Jews / Torah followers that are not as screwed up as YOU. Because of YOUR egotistical arrogance, YOU want it all about YOU, so be it, we reject YOU.
red, I’m no bible student, and turned away from conventional religions long ago because of the lies and deceit I experienced from religious “Leaders” when I was young. The closest definition I’ve found for my attitude is Agnostic. I’ve spent time in the middle east and will not discuss or debate with radical Muslims, been there, done that, can’t trust them – ever. I don’t mind atheists or gays as long as they’re not “in your face”, are courteous and respect my rights. woke snowflakes and Libtards are a lost cause, at least until they become crime victims, then a lot of them convert to more conservative views.
I think tonight is our last night of frost also, so will do some repotting and plant some seeds this weekend. I just read about loquats, Japanese plums, will do well in Zone 9A, and that they can be grown in containers, so I will be looking for them in the garden centers. I just found this Harvest to Table gardening site, which looks like it has some good information:
https://harvesttotable.com/
dz: No es nada, man. Like to each their own and that’s acceptable by God. I made a point that I’d rather dialogue with a radical terrorist than radical atheists. Agnostic is, to me, the intelligent side of atheism. Apostate religions, cults and so on abound. Radial atheists are always eager to mock and deny, and to convert. when people refused them, atheists slaughtered about 220 million in the 20th Century alone.
Garden! Every site on loquats says dense shade and windbreak the first year, medium heavy the next, and maybe some light shade the 3rd year in the ground. Pistachio can also be planted in large tubs, but they drive a taproot deep, so the seedlings will be planted out back in the sun.
4 years ago, I had a very nice young Santa Rosa plum. but, it’s 2nd year, spider mites were all over it. It was sprayed with water 3 times, but died. right now, one native plum survived summer and the dog. My rule of thumb is, will it produce in a zone warmer than mine. and, just because a tree does well in my zone does not mean it’ll do well in Arizona.
Anyway, I like to bust stones. It’s cultural. From Inuit to the Tierra del Fuego, it’s always been our international pastime. American blacks are mixed-blood American Indian and took it up. that’s where all those yo mama so fat jokes came from. And, my point here is, I will treat people as they treat me. But, I need to control that urge to bust stones just to be friendly. some here think it’s insulting. niio
red, no hablo, I had to look up “No es nada” and agree. I don’t really care what anyone’s personal beliefs are as long as “they’re not “in your face”, are courteous and respect my rights.” Unfortunately, there are way too many people that profess respect for others and then hypocritically push their agendas to the point of bad conduct and hostilities.
And as far as my views, I don’t think of Agnostic as being at all Atheist. To me, Agnostics are still searching and open to new information as long as they consider it valid, but Atheists profess an absolute belief that I won’t subscribe to either, the same as I won’t subscribe to the religious writings of men. Philosophy such as Buddhism interests me, but more as ways to view the world and conduct yourself, and no, I am not a Buddhist.
Do you have any active duty “getting ready”? Our Pretender in Chief is going to screw this up, badly, just as he has done during his entire political career.
red, I also have serious problems with mites every year, and I’m still trying to find solutions that will not poison us, the dogs, bees, and hummingbirds. I’ve tried the “spray with water” and they always came back in a very short time. During this February, even though still in “winter”, we had a lot of grasshoppers hatch out when we had a week or so of 80-degree weather, and they are doing some damage. It’s been freezing at night this week so hopefully it kills off some of the insect pests, but hopefully will not kill my plants. I thought the frosts were over, but this morning there is a thin ice sheet on the outside water, and I can see it hurt some of my younger plants, so I might lose some more of my recently sprouted Anjou Pear seedlings. I have a 6-inch tall calamansi that looks damaged also, hopefully it survives, I only have the one calamansi that has survived so far.
There are people that tell me to “plant later”, such as later in March, but they don’t understand that in a couple of months our temperatures may be in the 80’s, even the 90’s, and lots of the vegetables like spinach and bak choi will then “bolt” to seed, and some will die off when it gets hot. I’m still working on my timing, getting better, but far from comfortable with my limited knowledge about gardening for this climate.
Dz, for mites, try neem oil. The oil and water don’t mix well so you have to keep shaking it up. I just now thought of something that may help with that. Add a little bit of safer soap.
More National Guard units will be called in then active duty as normal… Much easier to deploy guard units. They tend to operate a lot better then the Active duty side of the house. Plus the only role the resevests will have is support as they don’t have combat units in Reserves.
do you prefer to fight Putin here, or over there? For all its fault, and they were legion, the war in Vietnam halted the spread of communism.
putin isn’t our fight isn’t our war and has no interest in the US… what he is doing is protecting his borders which is something perhaps we need to do. Stop playing into the stupid propanda of we need to be in a war every 5 mins.
Our military isn’t ready to fight a near peer yet alone two of them like china and russia’s…. Our military is in shambles after 20 years of losing to sand people and the new ‘woke training” hell they kicked out a majortiy of the free thinkers over a vaccine.
so no i don’t want to fight in someone elses war… and we shouldn’t
Nam didn’t stop anything but it was the big corperations getting rich trying out new equipment.
did I hear the annoying buzzing of a pestilent fly? Oh, it was just more ranting nonsense from the False X-spurt.
Matthew 7:1
Judge not, that you be not judged.
Luke 6:37
John 8:7
All these verses advice us not to judge others. We can all take a lesson from this on this forum and in our daily lives. I’ll say no more.
True but you can call out evil and sin. That is the correct thing to do when you see a fellow brother or sister doing the wrong thing.
Torah observant people are mostly attacked because they choose to follow Elohims law’s and thus are closer to the orignal way the church was setup. People who are stuck to the silly propaganda churches or mega churches typically get upset over it. They can’t understand why people like us wouldn’t want to be attending something so meaningless.
If our nation was so “Christian” as people would say we are… Then we wouldn’t have 90 percent of the social issues or moral problems.
It’s one thing to call out evil and sin, it’s another to be judgmental. No one gave humans the right to be judgmental. that’s part of gossip, which is part of the darker elements of witchcraft. Being judgmental always comes back to bite you on the backside.
Who gave anyone the right to judge if anyone is a Christian or not? Not God, and that’s His right. Judge not lest ye be judged. God is love and love is not judgmental. You are instructed by God–ordered to–to walk in love, peace, and joy. To pray for those who abuse you. Not bite back at every snap or imagined slight. Anger, fear, outrage, contempt, frustration are all called evil spirits. Read Pigs in the Parlor by the Hammonds. Jesus/Jehovah/Yeshua/YAWH told you, physician, heal thyself. That healing begins with the inner being, the soul and all the little nasty things that afflict it.
define judgemental… you seem to be the only one judging anyone here…. i didn’t judge you for not following the laws… i only pointed them out and when you couldn’t provide any supporting verses to suggest the laws are null and void. i didn’t mock you for it.
Don’t play the victim when you seem to be the only one upset over the truth and got your feelings hurt.
Considering a few of you are from the California its not a surpsise to see such weakness in the males.. . must be the water.
raven: define God. I judge by what God said to judge by. We here, all of us, have every right to judge your motives. God said so. We have every right to doubt what you say, to judge it. God said so. If you want to play holier than God, be all the Pharisee you want. I remind you, you are under indictment by God for your every word. A man of faith thinks, then speaks.
Well Ginny the truth is Jesus didn’t come here to save us all but divide. those who want eternal life or not
https://theprepperjournal.com/2019/03/06/how-to-set-up-an-observation-post/
dz Dad was a sniper in part of WWII. We were taught this as kids. Once learned how to use it, you can find calves and fawns bedded down in the brush and that’s hard even for coyotes to do. 🙂 niio
of course he was….. I swear the more people i meet…. nobody was anything but a sniper or special forces…..
Learning room clearing, and setting up a ambush would be additional things you want to learn. Learn the practical things like taking cover and shooting behind cover. (most people haven no clue how do it) Also setup the targets to move and get people used to shooting at humans.
two books on killing and on combat are required reading for our MAG
racen: Your statement is called malaca la boca. LOL He never talked about it, but we met people who had commanded him. An experience flier, he was put in Army AirCorp after he reenlisted in 1941. Dad was a metis farm boy and Army loves that sort for just the sort of things he was good at. We than had plenty f men who were excellent shots, but Dad was great. He liked a .22 for hunting squirrels and so on. For that matter, anything he put his mind to he excelled at. He spoke 5 language conversationally, bought the first tractor in the family, an ancient Caterpillar and had to tear it down and rebuild it from books. You need to learn what the Cherokee sang, stop look and listen.
Tip of the hat to your Dad, Red wish I could shake his hand.
You know it’s really comical – those who have been there and done that don’t need to prove anything to anyone.
But anyone who’s chewed the same dirt can spot a “wannabe” or a fraud a mile away.….
Some things you have to experience – and google searches and “how to” books just don’t make you an expert. I think you know who I’m talking about.
Stay safe, be well.
red, spider holes, ghillie suits, and various ways to set up firing positions are good things to know about also, so people might want to do a little research in advance.
dz, always. Good advice. Made the meat and it’s OK, but added some apple sauce and it’s great. niio
First of all, do you really need to resort to insults?
Have you ever heard these words, “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except by Me.”
If so, do you know who said it?
dz: when insults are all they listen to, use insults. They were warned and now they’ll suffer. niio
Gentilefart, who wrote your version of “the Word”? Then who rewrote it, then translated it, then rewrote it again, then edited and rewrote it again to push their agenda, then rewrote it again, translated it again, then rewrote it again, and so on and so on, all to promote the agendas of some religious power mongers. Real Agnostics will not believe in False Prophets like you who make deceitful claims that the “writings of men” are somehow direct transcripts of divine beings. I’ll talk to God about all the deceivers like you when I meet him. Until then, I wish you poor luck in your search for ignorant sheeple to add to your Elohim cult.