The Second Rush of Groceries Hoarding (And What You Can Do About It)

Rich M.
By Rich M. August 14, 2020 11:22

The Second Rush of Groceries Hoarding (And What You Can Do About It)

Everyone agrees that 2020 has been a strange year, with disaster after disaster that we’ve had to deal with. More than anything, it has been known as the year of COVID-19. But if I were to pick out a second thing for this year to be known for, I would call it the year of shortages. Never in my life have I seen shortages in the grocery stores, like what I’ve seen this year. They’re still happening now, after all these months.

While some of the shortages made sense, like those for disinfectants, gloves and masks, others have been clearly panic buying. People who weren’t prepared started buying up food when the threat of lockdowns was first mentioned.

This isn’t surprising either, as we’ve always expected those people to panic buy and clear out the grocery stores when a serious disaster happened. But then there’s toilet paper, the craziest shortage of all, which just proves that the herd still follows whoever is up front, even if what they do doesn’t make sense.

But when is enough going to be enough? When are those people who weren’t prepared going to feel like they’ve got enough? When are our stores going to get back to normal? Do they need a full year stockpile to feel comfortable? That would be a real switch.

But now, just about as soon as the first rush on the grocery stores seems to be ending, the second rush is beginning. Of course, calling it a “second rush” depends on how you define the first rush. I think we had 1A, 1B, 1C, and 1D, with the only common theme being the aforementioned toilet paper, which is finally back in stock, at least for now.

So why is there a second wave starting? For much the same reason as the first. With a new surge in Coronavirus cases, people are concerned about going back into lockdown mode. Should that happen, they want to make sure they’ve got enough to eat. The question is, just where does that leave you and I?

Hopefully, you’ve been rebuilding your stockpile as we’ve gone through the last few months. I’ve been working on doing that with every trip to the store. Not only have I been trying to replace those things which we’ve used; but I’ve also been building up areas where I didn’t have enough in stock, like rubber gloves (which are still hard to find).

But that hasn’t been possible in all cases. Some things, like Clorox wipes, just haven’t been available. Either the factory isn’t making enough, they’re not getting to my area, or people are just buying them up as fast as they can put them on the shelves. Regardless of the reason, we’re heading into a new wave of shortages and we need to be ready for it.

Beat the Rush

The Second Rush of Groceries Hoarding (And What You Can Do About It)In a way, prepping or at least the part about building a stockpile, is about buying before everyone else does. We build a stockpile, so that when a disaster strikes and people empty out the grocery store, we don’t have to be standing in line or fighting for that last pound of ground beef.

I’ve been in the stores plenty as we’ve been going through the pandemic, seeing bare shelves and people grabbing up what they can. While this hasn’t been all that bad the last few weeks, it’s starting to get bad again.

Even with all the shortages, I never ran out of toilet paper; I didn’t even get into my emergency supply. But what I did is to get to the stores first thing in the morning, standing in line and waiting for them to open. If there’s any time when the stores are likely to have what you’re looking for, it’s before everyone else gets there to buy it out. Better to be one of those buying them out, than one who missed their chance at getting something you need.

You can even do this with curbside pickup, although timing can be trickier on it. All it takes is to arrange your pickup time so that you will be on the first batch of orders pulled that day. That way, there’s a greater chance that the items will be on the shelf, when the “personal shopper” goes to fill your order.

So try to schedule a pickup time that’s about an hour after opening. But don’t schedule it for pickup the first thing in the morning, because that will be pulled at the end of the previous day, when stocks are at their lowest.

Related: Why Are Food Prices Increasing One Month into the Corona Virus Pandemic?

Make it Yourself

The Second Rush of Groceries Hoarding (And What You Can Do About It)We all talk about being self-sufficient in the wake of a TEOTWAWKI event; but why wait until then? With all the shortages we’ve been having, I’ve been making things for myself. Like many others, I’ve been making my own masks, but I’ve also been making my own disinfectants, Clorox wipes and hand sanitizer.

With all the shortages, making it myself has made sure that I always had what I needed. But there’s another reason for it too. I’m sure of the quality of what I have. With all these new companies making hand sanitizer, who never made it before, how can any of us be sure that their products are strong enough to do the job?

Many of them are not bothering to get listed on the EPA list N. By making it myself, I am assured that it is at least 60% alcohol, once the alcohol is mixed with other ingredients.

While we can’t necessarily make everything ourselves, each thing that we can make is one less that we have to worry about the stores having. Since most of the other people out there don’t have any idea of how to make their own disinfectants or hand sanitizer, our chances of finding the necessary materials to make those for ourselves, are much better than finding the finished product. 

For the rest, we’ve got our stockpiles. That should be enough to see us through.

Related: 10 Expenses You Need to Cut Now for the Upcoming Economic Depression

Shop in Unusual Places

The Second Rush of Groceries Hoarding (And What You Can Do About It)The other useful strategy is to shop in places where others don’t shop. Even at the worst of the spring shortages, there were still stores out there which had many of the things we needed. They just weren’t the stores we’re used to shopping in and they may not have had things packaged in the way we’re used to finding them packaged.

One such place is ethnic grocery stores. My son lives in an area of Houston where there are many different ethnic areas nearby. He loves it for the variety of food that it offers him. But during the worst of the last round of shortages, he found something else. That is that even though Houston is the fourth largest city in the country, the ethnic grocery stores didn’t run out of many items that the big chains were out of.

Another option is to go to commercial suppliers, like restaurant supply houses. While items from those sources are not packaged for sale to consumers, there’s no rule that says you have to tell them that you’re a consumer. You’ll have to buy those items in case quantities to purchase there; but at least you’ll be able to get them. Besides, those case quantities are usually cheaper.

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Rich M.
By Rich M. August 14, 2020 11:22
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  1. Chick August 14, 14:54

    TEOTWAWKI. Ok I give up, email me what it stands for

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  2. Rickity Rick August 14, 15:12

    Forget the hand sanitizer unless it is a diluted clorox solution. The other types with alcohol or items like triclosan were shown years ago to be practicaly worthless as they just spread around the pathogens. Bacteria need to be in contact with alcohol for 24 hours to kill those things that are susceptible. AND, triclosan and others, produced a high percentage of allergic or skin killing dermatitis’s. I carry a pail of clorox water in my vehicle, inside a container to catch spills, and several towels from home. This works great for washing and sanitzing hands and the towels are washed.

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    • left coast chuck August 14, 22:06

      RR: And the basis for your opinion that 60% alcohol does not kill viruses and bacteria is?

      While I would be the first to acknowledge that anything that comes from a bureaucrat’s or politician’s mouth is to be treated with extreme distrust and doubt, it seems to me that there are enough medical/technical people who agree that alcohol does serve as a disinfectant that having someone make a positive statement that it doesn’t work requires me to ask what is the source of that opinion.

      I would agree that overuse of triclosan is probably contributing to the general resistance of bacteria to antibiotics. But notice I said “probably”. I don’t think there is enough definitive proof of that posit to redline triclosan, although I personally avoid using it whenever possible.

      I would also agree that IPA can give one contact dermatitis. That was one of the reasons I required my employees to wear nitrile gloves when handling IPA. It is a degreaser. It only naturally follows if it removes grease it also removes the oil from one’s skin.

      It is for that reason that I use nitrile gloves whenever I am out and about. I too carry disinfectant in the car, but I carry 65% IPA. I think it is easier to disinfect a pair of nitrile gloves than it is to disinfect my hands and although 65% is a lesser percentage of IPA than what we used in our shop, it still has enough alcohol in it to dry one’s skin leading to contact dermatitis.

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    • City Chick August 15, 01:05

      Most of the stores/buildings here have provided customers with Purell Hand Sanitizer Stations right up by the entrance/exit doors. Used one today at the bank. After I pumped out the solution in my hand, you got hit with a very strong whiff of rubbing alcohol! Explains why I still can’t find any of it for sale in the local pharmacies! Same goes for the Purell!

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      • left coast chuck August 15, 04:12

        CC Look for self-help printer’s supply stores in your area. I bought a half gallon of 99% IPA about two weeks ago at my local printers’ self-help store.

        Also look at grocery whole walk-in stores. Smart and Final is a walk-in wholesale/retail grocery store that carries a lot of restaurant supplies in the west. My son’s girlfriend told me that the Smart and Final downtown had a space marked for IPA although they were out at the time she was there. I don’t need any as I have an unopened gallon can of IPA in the storage shed as well as the half gallon I bought two weeks ago.

        The clerk at the printer’s self-help did say they were limiting sales to 1/2 gallon per customer.

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        • ST September 3, 17:16

          I took your advice and went looking for this item. A couple of print suppliers were charging more than I could swing per gallon, but I found some for $20/per. Thanks for that!

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      • dp August 15, 05:02

        I stocked up on hand sanitizer years ago, but we just call it soap and water.

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        • left coast chuck August 16, 19:31

          dp: I too have soap and hopefully will have water when it is needed. I stocked up on IPA hand cleaner for two reasons, sanitation and it makes a dandy fire starter too. One can cook with IPA. Back in the dark ages when my brother and I had a boat, cooking with an alcohol stove on board was standard equipment.

          I like the squirt bottle of alcohol based hand sanitizer because in an EOTW situation here in SoCal, water will be in tight supply. A quart bottle of alcohol based hand sanitizer allows me more leeway in obtaining necessary water. While I CAN wash my hands with boiled sea water, it is about 5 miles to the beach and another 5 back, uphill all the way hauling water. Not my favorite pastime and in an EOTW situation, might be fraught with danger of all sorts.

          The case of alcohol based hand sanitizer will give me some breathing room as far as sanitation is concerned.

          The case of IPA based hand cleaner and the gallon and a half of IPA take up less room in my prep supply room than the equivalent I would need for an equal amount of hand washing.

          It isn’t always an EOTW situation either. One of the reasons why the fires we experienced in this town two and a half years ago was because the city’s backup generator/waterpump system failed due, according to urban legend— the city’s failure to regularly test the equipment to see if still worked after sitting so many years from installation. The city, of course, isn’t talking at all. Not denying nor admitting their gross failure to maintain emergency equipment in proper working order. Any questions result in: “No comment. Talk to the city attorney.”

          The city attorney’s rejoinder is: “That whole matter is subject to litigation and we will be making no comment.”

          Everyone’s situation is different and while adequate water supply for you might be no problem, for an apartment dweller in the city, with limited storage space, a case of hand sanitizer might be just the ticket. Keep the water supply for what is absolutely necessary, drinking.

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          • City Chick August 19, 00:46

            Thank you LLC! I will check this out! It sounds like a plan! Not everyone can walk around all day with a pail and a bar of soap to get their chores done here in the big city!

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      • Mensa Graham August 16, 18:49

        Found sanitizers at Dollar Tree and for only a $1.

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        • left coast chuck August 17, 02:04

          Make sure the inexpensive hand sanitizer you are buying is not from Mexico. Vendors in Mexico have been shipping hand sanitizer into the U.S. which is made with methanol. You DO NOT want to be putting methanol on any part of your body. The smell alone should warn you that it is too hot for personal use.

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        • City Chick August 17, 04:12

          Here in the big city there have been warnings regarding unhealthy hand sanitizer concoctions being sold over and under the counter in discount Bodegas, Indian and middle eastern ethnic stores. Buyer beware!

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        • Oddfellow September 3, 16:28

          Mensa Graham, do you trust the quaity of those $1 sanitizers?

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    • Miss Kitty August 31, 08:37

      When in doubt, use vodka. It’s food grade and the proof is there, so it’s going to kill germs. Look for sales and buy cheap stuff unless you plan on killing the germs from the inside out. In which case, get a better brand. And tonic water, for the medicinal qualities of the quinine, of course. 😉

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      • dp August 31, 11:03

        Miss Kitty,

        I use tonic water for the quinine. I can’t say that I care for the bitter taste, but it is supposed to help to relieve restless leg syndrome.

        I picked up a couple of quarts of pure alcohol at Walmart today. It’s quite expensive for just being alcohol, about $6 per quart, but the zombies haven’t seemed to figure out that denatured alcohol (in the paint section) is just pure rubbing (wood) alcohol. You can add some distilled water to it to stretch it out a bit and it’s for external use only of course.

        Standard rubbing alcohol is usually 50% water with around 70% to 90% alcohol also available when the zombies aren’t stripping the shelves. Vodka is usually 80 proof which is 40% alcohol… besides, using vodka externally seems like a waste of grain alcohol.

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        • City Chick August 31, 16:17

          Miss Kitty, If you don’t like the taste of tonic water, spiff it up with a little something! You can make easy mock tails with a simple splash of fruit juice! Mock mimosas are my favorite! You can slice and freeze some citrus fruits in ziplock bags so they are at the ready to top off your creations! The possibilities are endless! Cheers!

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        • Miss Kitty August 31, 17:21

          I actually like the taste of tonic water, but then again I like Fresca!
          It’s definitely best applied internally along with the vodka (or gin) and a splash of lemon or lime juice.
          Interestingly, I recently read that grapefruit contains quinine – and here I thought it was just “Jesuit bark”, aka chinchona, that contained it.

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        • Oddfellow September 3, 16:11

          dp, what you call denatured or wood alcohol is methanol and it’s toxic. I would not even use it for exterior use. Ethanol OTOH (the alcohol in vodka) is the one suitable for rubbing. If you think that’s a waste of alcohol, that’s too bad.

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          • dp September 6, 17:24


            You are incorrect. The difference is that one is made from wood and is commonly used externally. It is poisonous and and will and did cause blindness during prohibition when unscrupulous criminals either added it to or completely substituted it for grain alcohol, which is the kind that you drink.

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  3. Bill in Houston August 14, 15:39

    I live in Houston. Along with Costco and one of the chain supermarkets, I also shop at a local Korean-founded market called H-Mart. They have the same products as at other stores. Admittedly, the non-asian stuff costs more, but it is there. Another is a specialty market called Phoenicia. They have middle-eastern and a lot of eastern European stuff (the founders are Armenian and Lebanese). I stop at one or the other every few weeks.

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    • Miss Kitty August 23, 00:47

      The corner store in my neighborhood specializes in Indian food, with a smattering of Chinese and Bangladeshi goods. I’ve gotten some nice stuff there, and the people who own it are super nice. There’s plenty of American goods too. The prices are a little higher for some things, but it’s right across the street, so it’s nice for me because I don’t drive. They often have produce, too, so if need be I can get everything to make a couple of complete meals. They also carry big containers of Indian style plain yogurt, made in New York state – easily the best I’ve ever had.

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  4. Gertrude Wilson Smith August 14, 15:53

    What many don’t know is that number of cases isn’t relevant (it depends on number of tests, and some exaggerated counting; like counting positive tests on one person multiple times; or counting a case as positive even if no test was performed; or ever wider and unspecific instructions for identifying ‘positive’ cases w/o testing: eg: CDC says if you have shortness of breath or subjective fever you’re a positive case; or you’re counted as positive test when contact tracing shows you hung out with somebody who may have been positive; or if you live in a ‘covid-troubles’ area).
    The number of deaths is important and that’s down.

    People are concerned about food shortages b/c meat processors like Tyson are apparently intentionally closed (a few months ago I did the mortality rate on reported numbers for Tyson and it was 0.3% – and that with the exaggerated mortality rates; e.g., by counting any death where cov-19 might have been present (even if not tested for the virus) but not even the cause as covid death; see CDC for instructions how to complete death certificates; etc. Listen to Dr Birx still online video on how ‘we in the US have a generous approach to covid deaths, counting anything where covid may have been present as covid death”)

    According to the Ice Farmer discussing a newspaper report, all States are stocking up on non-perishable foods by the tons in huge warehouses. This causes grocery stores to be out of may items. No wonder that people are stocking up, they are competing with their own government!

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    • left coast chuck August 14, 22:25

      Ms. Smith: I most certainly agree with your post. In fact, I am pasting an e-mail I sent to a friend earlier today before I read your post.

      “I have been doing a lot of medical reading since this started, especially books about epidemics and plagues. Something I didn’t know but has been referenced in two different books by two different authors. There was a flu epidemic in the U.S, in 1957.

      During that year I was enjoying an extended vacation on sunny Okinawa courtesy of the U.S, Marine Corps. The Stars and Stripes, the “local paper” as far as service personnel were concerned had nothing in it about a raging flu epidemic. Even the Hong Kong Daily Mail (I think that was what it was called) had nothing. None of the folks who were corresponding with me, and I had a few because mail from back in the States was a major preoccupation every day, mentioned anything about a raging flu epidemic.

      According to both reports of that epidemic, the U.S. suffered 60,000 deaths from it. in 1957, the U.S. population was 178 million. The percentage of deaths in the population at that time was .03%. Presently the total counted population of the U.S. is 329 million. As of this morning there are a reported 165,148 deaths due to the current epidemic. That is .05% of the total population.

      Many leading figures in public life have stated that the figures are grossly overinflated due to financial inducements to report death due to the flu as opposed to perhaps underlying morbid pathologies. How much of that overstatement is reflected in the .02% difference between 2020 and 1957, I have no idea and it would take more resources than I have at my disposal to determine. I will say that I follow the obituaries in the local paper and there has been no noticeable increase in the number of deaths reported each Sunday where there is a summary of all the deaths reported for the week in this county.

      If one considers that in the intervening 63 years, the average age of the U.S. population has trended upwards as a percentage of the total population, one might consider that more deaths due to the flu might be expected because of the increased average age.

      In 1957 if folks were distancing and running around with masks on and businesses were shut down with mandatory closings and all the rest of the official folderol that is going on presently, not a word of it got outside the boundaries of the continental U.S. Certainly the Far East wasn’t in a panic about it, otherwise we would have heard about it through the Pfc’s grapevine.

      What’s the difference?

      Government is far more intrusive in our daily lives than it was in 1957. Given the push back that government is receiving today with their restrictions, I am sure there would have been a general revolt in 1957 if various governments had tried to do what they are doing today. Government has become accustomed to intruding into our private lives and we have become more accepting of that government intrusion. As Benjamin Franklin is reputed to have said, “A republic if you can keep it.” It looks like with the constant drip drip drip of government intrusion we are allowing our freedoms to be worn away.

      So, in 1957 with, apparently, a severe enough flu epidemic that it gets mentioned in two different books by two different authors — which I will concede may not prove anything because they may have each read the same information to include in their books and it could have been erroneous. I didn’t compare bibliographies of each text. And with the minuscule difference in the death rates comparing populations and taking into consideration the aging of the U.S. population in the intervening 63 years, With all the damage to our economic system and the interference in our daily lives can anyone honestly say that all of that has made any difference in the death rate? That’s why I categorize it as silliness. Actually, I am more concerned about our ready acceptance of that government intrusion.

      All that said, I am in a high risk group because of my age and underlying health problems and my wife certainly is too because of her age, and so I take all the recommended precautions but I like to feel that is my choice rather than mandated by some politician who enjoys power and wants to enjoy even more power. Were I in good health and 30 years old, I probably would be in the push back group.

      I wear a seat belt when I drive too. Not because it is the law, but I was T-boned by a Suburban that ran a red light and as my Explorer spun around at least two times, I thought I was going to be thrown out of the suv and run over by my own vehicle. I had my On-The-Road-To-Tarsus moment and ever since then have worn a seat belt ALL the time. I was just going down to the local drug store on a quick errand and didn’t put the seat belt on because I was going to be getting out of the vehicle in just a couple of minutes. BAM. Not because it is the law, but because it keeps one from getting thrown out of the car in that kind of collision.

      But if it is such a good idea, moral suasion should be enough to convince at-risk folks to take precautions. It is still not against the law to be stupid. The argument that we don’t want to pay for folks who do dumb things is sophistic. We pay for folks doing dumb things all the time and don’t even think about it. We pay for the drunk driver who injures himself. We pay for the kayakers who paddle out to the Channel Islands in little kayaks and then can’t get back and have to be plucked out by helicopter. We pay for drug addicts who receive treatment in the E.R.s from overdoses. We even carry overdose medication in publicly provided E.R. response vehicles for drug overdoses. There are numerous other examples of publicly supported dumb actions. That was the argument my daughter tried to use on me. But it is an argument that lacks substance.


      Got a little off topic with the political rant, but it is all tied up in politics, so political statements I think are obliquely on topic.

      GOOD NEWS FROM THE PDRK The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals which serves as the federal appeals court for the PDRK, the PDRW(Washington state) the PDRO (Oregon) and some other western states ruled by a vote of 3-0 that the California “assault magazine” ban violates the 2nd Amendment. Hoorah! Hoorah! Hoorah!. With a 3-zip vote, it seems unlikely that the court would grant a full panel re-hearing, but after all it is the PDRK and there are still a number of snowflake “justices” sitting on that panel which is why in certain legal circles it is referred to as the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals. However I don’t like that term. Circuses are run by professionals who know their business. Something I really can’t honestly say about the 9th Circuit.

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      • City Chick August 15, 01:22

        LCC – Congratulations on the big win! We did not fare to well with our case here in the big city, but we will not give up the fight!

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      • Hi-Style August 15, 14:42

        I hope that “assault magazine” ban appeal result makes it’s way across the country to New Jerksey. Makes zero sense, but we too, have had to endure this unconstitutional violation of our rights.

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      • Cavalryman August 16, 14:27


        I’m not an attorney but haven’t the 9th Circuit rulings in the past, say on immigration, been held as legal rulings for all states? So, shouldn’t this 3-0 ruling be applied to all state?

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        • left coast chuck August 16, 19:45

          Cavalryman: No, rulings in one circuit are only advisory in other circuits. Part of the problem with the Federale Supremes ducking the 2nd Amendment issues is that there are conflicting rulings in several federal appeal districts.

          Unfortunately, this ruling is not as robust as first reported. First of all, it was not unanimous as first reported it was a 2-1 decision. There was a visiting judge from Texas of all places who voted in favor of the ban. Parenthetically, it just happened that she was a demokrat appointee. Whodda thunk?

          The next action will be that Becerra, the CA AG will request an en banc hearing which is the whole 9th Circuit panel hearing the oral arguments. The court can refuse to grant en banc hearing in which case Becerra can request writ of certiorari to the Supremes who can grant it and have arguments before the Supremes or deny certiorari in which case the judgment will stand but only in the 9th Circuit. Other circuits will certainly consider it but are free to reject it. This is especially true because the ruling in CA rules that the 2nd Amendment is in a special status and right now I am not sure I can explain the effect of their ruling, but it makes gun laws have to meet a higher standard before they are not an infringement. Other courts in the county, particularly the Nieuu Yawk circuit ruled that gun laws did not have to meet that higher standard.

          Not being a lawyer, just an old courtroom worker, that’s the best I can explain it without researching exactly the difference in the two — actually, as I understand it, three different standards when ruling on whether a law is violative of our rights under the Bill of Rights. Even Barry Obama who allegedly is teaching constitutional law at the UofI for a grossly obscene amount of money doesn’t understand the fine distinction between the three standards. At least based on his public statements he doesn’t.

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          • left coast chuck August 17, 02:22

            The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals covers the following states: District of Alaska District of Arizona Central District of California Eastern District of California Northern District of California Southern District of California District of Hawaii District of Idaho District of Montana District of Nevada District of Oregon Eastern District of Washington
            Western District of Washington District of Guam District of the Northern Mariana Islands

            Decisions of the Ninth Circuit only affect the districts in that circuit, namely, the ones enumerated above.

            That said, frequently decisions in other districts are quoted in arguments in a different district. Presently there are several opinions in different districts that are contrary to the holding in this opinion. We shall have to wait and see if the Supremes accept certiorari for this case. You can be certain that it will be appealed no matter which way any intervening judgment goes. However, the Supremes have been ducking hearing any Second Amendment cases for some time now.

            Why should gun owners in Arizona be concerned about what is happening in the 9th Circuit Court? Because you are within that court’s jurisdiction and if there is an adverse ruling against gun owners in the 9th you can count on the gun grabbers in your state making a push to have similar laws passed in your state too.

            Why is the district so big? Well, in 1891 or thereabouts when the district court system was amended, there just weren’t that many people in those states to warrant having more districts. There is no move to amend the make up of the district. I don’t know of any arguments for or against splitting it up, except that it makes for considerable travel expense for the folks in the Marianas or Guam to argue a case in the 9th district. I don’t know if there is a branch court out there.

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      • Govtgirl August 17, 04:59

        68-69 one million worldwide and 100,000 people in US died of Hong Kong flu. I had it and missed about a week of work. Some people missed school. Others, especially senior with compromised systems, died from it as they do from pneumonia. The country did not come to a standstill.
        Glad to hear about CA gun magazine ruling. If Kamala gets in, we are doomed.

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        • left coast chuck August 18, 04:25

          There is no question that people with compromised immune systems are more susceptible to just about any disease coming down the pike. That includes the elderly and the already sick. From food poisoning to heat exhaustion, the elderly and the immune compromised are at greater risk. It is very hot in SoCal this week. We didn’t shut the state down because old folks like me have to be sure to drink lots of fluids and not go running around in the noon day sun like mad dogs and Englishmen.

          I have a question that I think is valid. If you are carrying the viruses but have no symptoms of infection can the medical profession truly say that you have the disease? While it is impossible for me to find out how many people who tested positive exhibited no symptoms, I have a deep seated feeling that a great many of the “positive” cases that are being reported are symptomless. That doesn’t mean that they can’t give the disease to people at risk like me. It does mean that if I go out, I need to take precautions, but should all my neighbors have to stay home from work just because I might get sick and die? Heck I might not wake up tomorrow morning anyway so why should everyone else on the block have to stay home because I might pass in the night?

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          • Miss Kitty August 18, 14:13

            Yep, think Typhoid Mary.

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          • Becky August 19, 23:48

            LCC: why should the whole block stay home?.. Why did the country close? Because too many people in politics, the cdc, who etc are either wealthy globalists or bought by wealthy globalists that want to take complete control of USA and the rest of the world and put their population control into full swing. Anyone reading this not believe in population control? Google Georgia Guidestones and compare the population of earth as of today with the population they intend to share earth with. Then seriously consider your politicians and representatives of cdc and The Who and research what they say with the truth and with what they’ve said in the past. Such as Dr. Fauci saying that Hydroxychloroquine has been used for decades and is Proven safe and effective in (2005). And these politicians especially career politicians change what they say depending on which political party the person they are talking about belongs to. They raise cain against something when the other party is in office and praise the same thing when their party is in office. All these things get recorded in their speaches on news reels. All you have to do is look it up. It’s never been easier.. go online and start searching, loads of things are on Google.

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    • City Chick August 15, 01:34

      Mrs Smith – They are simply restocking, just like everybody else. We just sent three planes full of supplies to Lebanon to help the people out in that terrible disaster. That didn’t come from Stop n Shop or Walgreens.

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    • Miss Kitty August 31, 08:45

      Adapt 2030 had a good report on this this week ending 8/29. And Ice Age Farmer has been sounding the alarm about this for some time… apparently, some states are testing only migrant (predominantly Hispanic) workers. Implications are that a), tests are being manipulated, b) many are illegals subject to deportation or imprisonment, especially if they are found to be sick, and c) the aim is to slow down production in an effort to further control food availability. Disturbing.
      Buy local whenever you can.

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  5. T August 14, 16:15

    The advice on ethnic stores works, but in my area, I wouldn’t rely on it, because their prices tend to be much higher on things like canned goods. Better than nothing, yes, but even better to buy now.

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  6. dp August 14, 16:27

    Good! Good to see these people to finally wake up and to start taking responsibility for themselves.

    How it affects me is that I no longer have to be concerned about feeding my neighbors. I have kept a year or more worth of food stored for years, so it does not affect me in much of a negative way otherwise as long as I can still get fresh fruit, vegetables, meat, and water now and then.

    It may actually be beneficial if it forces me to eat some of my older stock.

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    • JayJay August 15, 00:27

      This food is not for your will never get to them.

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      • dp August 15, 05:00

        I can’t stay awake and on guard duty 24 hours a day for weeks on end. I’m going to need my neighbors to be alive, and to remain my friends, and not my enemies.

        But, you do whatever that you think is right.

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        • JayJay August 15, 15:30

          Oh, that is an issue we think about daily. We have no neighbors/just people living next door. We have no friends. And no family at all.
          One brother of G. is 85, still guards a truck depot, but is over 50 miles from our home.
          Next door just returned from a week vacation–stupid girl–gave me packaged Kroger stuff best buy date one week away…like I said..stupid–I don’t eat that crap and trashed it.

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    • City Chick August 15, 15:16

      Have a neighbor, newly retired nurse, unprepared for this whole event. No TP, no Clorox, no food staples on the shelf. Doesn’t like to cook. Prefers to eat out rather than eat in. Terrible mess she was! She’s a dear friend, but I don’t count too much on getting any assistance much from the folks around here! Hopefully this went down as a good learning experience for her!

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  7. Jim August 14, 18:35

    The End Of The World As We Know It

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  8. TnAndy August 14, 21:41

    Wednesday I turned over two 100′ rows of potatoes in the garden. We picked up 175lbs that are now curing for a few days on screens in the garage before we move them into the root cellar. Have two more rows that will be ready in another few weeks (planted later).

    Today, we spent peeling, quartering, heating in sugar syrup, about a bushel of Moon Glow pears off our one tree of that variety. Made 33 pints canned. 5 gallon bucket of peels/cores went to the pigs, who love them.

    Next week, the Bartlett will be ready to pick….probably couple bushels there.

    What happens at the grocery store really doesn’t affect us all that much.

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    • City Chick August 15, 01:13

      That’s a wonderful blessing. I hope that you continue to be able to do all that for many years to come. Me, well I’d need a little more space and a heck of lot of help! Probably also need some local laws changed too for the pigs and all.

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    • left coast chuck August 16, 19:53

      TnAndy: I note that you are curing your potatoes before putting them in the root cellar. How do you prepare them for curing and why do you prepare them for curing? What does it do?

      I have heard, although I can’t say where, that onions need to be dried or some such before storing. Is that true? How do you do it? Do you wash them? I have just grown a couple onions in my “survival garden” (getting a very late start but better late than never) and when I dig them up they are covered in dirt and not nice and clean as in the grocery store. They also don’t have the dried skin on them that the grocery store onions have. So far not enough onions to store, but hope to increase the crop. So, is there something you need to do to onions for storage?

      I have had great success with green onions, starting with left overs from grocery store onions. They may be GMO or some such, but by leaving the roots on and putting the roots back in the soil, they have again grown, so what I am doing is harvesting part of the white part and the green part and continuing on with the original stock which is now a couple of years old. The bulbs are quite large now. Considerably larger than the bulbs on grocery store green onions.

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      • IvyMike August 16, 23:51

        My Grandfather in the west Texas desert stored onions by rinsing the dirt off, cutting the green stem, and hanging them from the rafters of his adobe garage in my grandmother’s nylon stockings. The outer layers of skin will dry helping to keep the inside fresh. Should be dry enough for something like that where you live. Sudden thought, maybe our skin dries out as we get old to help keep our minds fresh?
        It is hot and very humid where I live so root crop storage is difficult. With the growing interest in gardening it would be great to see some articles on preserving foods w/o refrigeration in various climates.

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    • Lea August 22, 18:21

      The peels and cores can be cooked down with sugar if desired and spices (cinnamon, cloves) then put through a sieve to make pear butter (like apple butter!)! If you cook it down without sugar, then feed the hogs AFTER you put it all through the sieve! You get some, they get some.

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  9. left coast chuck August 14, 22:33

    By now we all know some of what we will need when the world ends. We know where our stockpiles stand. We know what we need to do as supplies become available to correct the deficiencies noted. Now Get Busy.

    An additional note on sanitizing wipes. Years ago before disposable wipes there were things called “rags” We all used them and if they weren’t too badly dirty, we washed them and re-used them.

    Interestingly enough, we didn’t go the the store to buy “rags”. We took clothing that was totally worn out, too worn out to be use to make smaller editions of the clothing and cut it up for “rags.” The only time rag’s got tossed was if they were so dirty as to be almost uncleanable. We didn’t buy “rags.” My grandmother would have started proceedings to have me committed if I had suggested that one day people would buy rags and not reuse them but toss perfectly good cloth capable of being washed with little or no extra effort.

    Same thing with Clorox wipes. Paper towel soaked in whatever disinfectant you are using — or an old shirt, the leg off a pair of pants. They all work in place of the convenience items that we just can’t live without.

    TEOTWAWKI is going to be a terribly rude awakening for a lot of people.

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    • Illini Warrior August 15, 12:03

      TEOTWAWKI is an uber uber SHTF (Sh*t Hits the Fan) – reserved by most preppers for events like a nuke war, CME, asteroids, ect ect >>> not a great chance of survival

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      • dp August 15, 14:51


        Absolutely Correct.

        Advice: Do not take the vaccine.

        Prayer is your best defense.

        Make sure that not only do you know Jesus, but that he knows you as well.

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        • City Chick August 15, 18:17

          Dp Are you a physician? Do you have a medical degree? If not, you should not attempt to practice medicine without a license! Folks should take whatever comes under consideration with their doctor and either follow that advice or get a second options! Prayer? That goes without saying as we are told “In all things give thanks” No need for a second thought or second option there!

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          • dp August 15, 20:36

            City Chick,

            I wasn’t trying to push your buttons, and I was not giving out medical advice – I was giving my personal advice and opinion.

            Anyone that has researched vaccines has found the abundant evidence of the links to autism. Anyone who has seen Bill Gates TED talks:


            (vaccine comment at the end)

            where he states that if we do a good job on vaccines and reproductive health care (abortion) that we can reduce population, or is aware of vaccines being weaponized to depopulate African countries (by Bill Gates), or who has researched what is in vaccines (aluminum, mercury, etc), and far more that I won’t go into right now…

            knows that the advice to not take any vaccine is just good common sense. The Covid vaccine is just stupid to take to begin with because the cure for Covid19 has been out for well over a month.

            It is Hydroxycloroquin, 2 Z-paks, zinc, vitamin C and other steps to strengthen the immune system. This provides for near 100% recovery with early detection, and protection for future mutations of the virus. No “vaccine” required.

            Hydroxychloroquin has been given to literally millions of our armed forces for over 50 years with no problems or significant side effects.

            The fake news media keeps pushing the fact that covid cases are on the rise. This is fear tactics, and it is a lie.

            The number of positive cases up, because of the massive testing. Nearly everyone in America has had covid and most never even realized it. It is a variant of the common cold, and most people with a strong immune system just built new antibodies, and shrugged it off. so while positive cases are up, deaths are down.

            The death count for covid is almost entirely in at risk people like the elderly or those with a weak immune system… it currently stands at around 0.03 of cases and is dropping. The fake news media don’t want you to know these things.

            Is this also practicing medicine without a license to tell you these things? Then perhaps you should search out the video where a panel of doctors said the almost exactly the same things at the expense of their medical careers… Their conscience got to them, and they could no longer lie and carry water for the corrupt medical mafia.

            City Girl, I like you – so I refuse to personally attack you as you have me. You are a smart girl, and when you do your due diligence and research this I will also refuse to tell you ” I told you so.”

            Have a great weekend! 🙂

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            • City Chick August 15, 22:56

              Dp, Was hoping that you would give some thought to what you were saying or answer the simple questions with a positive note and moreover understand that people’s lives are at stake here. I’m not into personal attacks and kind of surprised that you would be so offended. None was intended. As a City Chick, we don’t let anyone push our buttons but we will jump in when we think it’s the right thing to do. Enough said.

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              • dp August 16, 00:05

                I never took serious offense. It was an off the cuff response, and I know that you are not mean spirited.

                The truth is still the truth. I can be offensive at times because I am tired of sugar coating the truth for big babies that can’t handle the truth.

                Me and folks like me woke up 20 years ago with self study, and with the help of people like Bill Cooper (RIP), Aaron Russo (RIP), David Icke, and many others who pioneered the freedom movement and who paid the ultimate price for it.

                Some still have the patience to “convert” the WOKE zombies… I am not one of them.

                It’s all good – I still love you. May GOD BLESS you and yours, and have a great weekend. 😉

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            • Steffunny August 16, 14:21

              You are very correct, dp! Tell it like it is and help the masses learn! Thank you so much!

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  10. Jackie August 14, 22:49

    I’m a new prep and I’m trying to figure out how I can get my life back In order to be ready for the day I read about The problem is my family doesn’t want to do anything for me to help out they think I’m going crazy and I should stop and I don’t want to because I know what I’m supposed to be doing and I want you to tell me you’re opinion please because I can’t go through this sh— anymore I’m on my last nerve

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    • Miss Kitty August 18, 14:43

      First Jackie, take a deep breath. Hold it for a slow count of five, exhale for a slow count of seven. Repeat. Exhale the tension from your body. Stop when you are relaxed or dizzy, whichever comes first.

      We are all limited in what we can do in this life, either financially, by friends and family who mock and hinder, by limited access to materials, whatever.

      We can’t control that, but we can control our response. My advice is to ignore your family’s comments and do your own thing. Study different survival techniques and how you can practically apply them to your situation. Keep your preps neatly stored and be sure to rotate out old stock.

      And don’t be hard on yourself… there’s definitely a learning curve here. And you’re going to see what works best for you, not me, Red, LLC, City Chick, Raven or anyone else.


      It’s not a one size fits all thing. You may want to grow food in your yard, but not have the skills to do so. Learn the skills, try something easy like tomatoes, and buy some canned veg when you do the shopping. I have found that although I enjoy trying, I am not able to grow enough for a side salad. Therefore, I keep trying, but I concentrate on canned goods. Other people like to do their own canning, with food they buy from others or from their own garden.

      Other people prioritize other skills. Perhaps you like to sew, do wood working, hunting, fishing. Perhaps you are a medical worker, and have skills and knowledge you use on a daily basis.

      Take a few minutes to assess your needs, interests, existing skills and weaknesses. I’ll bet you will be pleasantly surprised by what you already know, and you will have a good idea of what you need to study about.

      But please, don’t panic. The poop may have hit the fan, but it hasn’t splattered too badly if we are breathing, able to read this column, have food for the immediate future and can walk.

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      • dp August 18, 18:40

        Thanks Miss Kitty,

        You are exactly right. I wanted to say something but I always say the wrong thing and I end up offending sensitive people. So, for once I kept my mouth shut.

        I would just add to approach her family with the idea that – we already saw how they stripped the shelves of toilet paper and other essentials, so we need to keep 1 month of food and essentials here while we can get them. Then she can add to the stock pile without their help… just buy a few extra things each week.

        Prepping is a long term project… No one can afford to go out and buy $5,000 worth of food and supplies in one trip. Also, don’t push them with the crazy talk… if they are still asleep after all that has happened over the last 4-5 years – then let them snooze… everyone wakes up on their own schedule eventually.

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  11. Jackson August 15, 00:23

    Here locally meat,canned goods, rice,beans,bread,eggs, milk,etc are all fine. Past week they had chicken thighs for .88 cents a lb,, angus sirloin steak for $3.99 lb, leg quarters for .25 cents a lb., center cut pork chops for .99 cents a lb.,bone in angus ribeyes for $5.99 lb. All the same prices as a year ago. No shortages of meat. Only thing in shortage is name brand sanitizer, wipes,disinfectant spray.and sometimes paper plates and paper towels,also non drinking alcohol, . We live on the Gulf of Mexico and have hurricanes often. We have to stayed prepared. We were without power in 1979 for 4 weeks. With numrous hurricanes since then. We also learned since then how to reinforce and strengthen our home.

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    • Sophie August 23, 23:58

      Chicken leg quarters “on sale” for $1.29 a pound. Angus sirloin steak, $9.99 a pound. Hamburger, $3,99 a pound, Chicken thighs, 1.99 a pound (same as chicken breasts). When eggs went to $1.99 a dozen, I started buying organic eggs from a local farmer for $2 a dozen. Corn is 50 cents an ear I do not live in an urban area. This is suburbia. I need to find your grocery store.

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  12. IvyMike August 15, 01:20

    My son in law is a wonderful man who has taught school in rural Kenya for 20 years. Kenya adopted a new constitution in 2010 and has become much more of a democratic/republic sort of state with strong county (provincial) governments and a somewhat American style bicameral legislature sharing power with a President. But son in law says that when the Government locked the country down for Covidia he quickly learned it was nothing like the U.S. The lock down is total, you have no rights, wander off your property and there are soldiers on every street waiting to detain you. Nobody goes to work, although he and his wife do teach online classes. Nobody goes to the store, the Army delivers your food once a week. There is no meat at all, and sanitary supplies are hard to get, Amazon don’t deliver there. They are lucky to be rural and have always kept a big garden and some yard birds, he says they spend most of their time caring for and expanding the garden with their 3 kids. They’re trying to get out of the country but so far nobody is allowing travel from Kenya, especially an American with an Austrian wife and 3 kids born in Kenya, they have to have a lawyer arrange all their visas even in normal times. So they’re stuck for the duration, I don’t think that sort of thing will happen here, but it’s easy to imagine.

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    • Harleyxx August 15, 03:31

      Buying food at ethnic stores is a good idea. When Costco and Sam’s were out of rice a couple months ago, my brother bought a whole pallet of rice at a Hispanic food store in Sarasota Florida.

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    • left coast chuck August 15, 04:25

      IvyMike: Especially as one city already has police enforcing city dictated mask regulations. The state is also talking about fines and jail time for mask violators. Wow! Really? Jail time when you are releasing real criminals who have committed real crimes including murder because of the possibility that they might get sick in jail?

      Another sign of the schizophrenia that affects our government officials: A woman in the central valley is being prosecuted for murder for using drugs while pregnant and because her baby was still-born.

      This is in a state that provides free abortions to pregnant women.

      To me, it doesn’t really matter what side of the abortion issue you are on, this prosecution makes absolutely zero sense. If you are sober and you cause your unborn baby to die that’s okay but if you are a drug addict and you cause your unborn baby to die it’s murder. WHAT???

      Especially when using marijuana for recreational use is legal in this whacko state.

      To show how far the insanity extends, it is reported that other counties are following the case closely and depending on the outcome may try the same thing.

      Oh how I wish I were in a position to vote with my feet.

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      • City Chick August 15, 15:25

        Here you have some crazy people confronting folks who are not wearing their masks or in some cases, actually for not wearing their masks as they deem correctly! I can see it on transport or in a store where you can not distance yourself, but not out in the open air when there’s no one near. All little Napoleons walking around town!

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      • City Chick August 15, 17:39

        LCC – “Do what you can where you are with what you have” Sir Winston. Churchill. WWII. That my friend keeps me going!

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  13. Cactus Annie August 15, 04:05

    One thing we are forgetting about is, electricity & water. My washing has been broken for over a month, public laundromats are closed due to Covid19 and so, I have not been able to wash clothes or bedding for all those weeks, I have been using the kitchen sink for undies and then after ringing them out, throw into the dryer. NO Fun at all. Any suggestions???

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    • ST August 17, 14:52

      Some apartment buildings have a laundry room. Bring lots of quarters-they seldom have change machines.

      Be mindful of your parking. It’s easy to get towed from some of these places.

      Keep an eye on sites like Craigslist. I do sometimes see working appliances being given away.

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      • left coast chuck August 26, 01:15

        My back-up washing machine is a 5 gallon bucket and lid from a big box hardware store. On the same trip while in the box box hardware store I bought a plumber’s plunger.

        Once home I cut a hole in the lid to the 5 gallon bucket just large enough for the handle on the plumber’s friend to fit.

        Put clothes in the bucket. You can only wash one pair of jeans at a time. You can wash a week’s worth of undies. I try to wash heavy stuff separately from light stuff. I wouldn’t was a heavy shirt with lady’s underwear.

        Add enough water to cover the garment. Push it down in the bucket while filling so that you get the garment wet and all the air out of it. Don’t use as much soap as you usually do. If the clothes are not actually soiled with some soaked- food or grease or something, I don’t use any soap just a tablespoon of borax or baking soda, if they are smelling of sweat. Put the lid on the bucket with the handle of the plumber’s friend sticking out of the hole. You don’t need to press the lid down if you do your washing in the bathtub or shower stall. Get a chair and get comfortable if in a shower stall or sit on the edge of the tub. Move the plumber’s friend up and down vigorously as if you were plunging a really stopped up toilet.

        Be prepared for a vigorous upper body workout.

        Empty out the wash water and do the same with clean water for a rinse. I rinse out the bucket and the plunger if I used soap to make it easier to rinse the clothes.

        The biggest task is writing out heavy clothing. If you have someone to help you, twist the garment between the two of you to wring it out. Otherwise, I would get a collapsible clothes drying rack, put it up in the bathtub or shower stall and let the clothes damp dry before moving them to another location for full dry.

        In a pinch you can always use a hair dryer to dry your clothes. I start from the bottom of the leg and blow hot air up the leg to the body of the trousers when I am drying jeans.

        If you live in an apartment with a small balcony, hang rope from the eaves if you have them and get a long bamboo pole from a garden supply store. make loops in the ends of the ropes hanging from the eaves. Thread the clothes on the bamboo pole, insert it in the loops. Use zip ties to make the loops. I usually use three zip ties for a loop such as I am describing. That gives plenty of grip to keep the loop from slipping through. Of course I pull the zip ties closed with a pair of pliers, taking care not to use too much pull on the zip tie or it might break.

        If you observe the huge apartment houses in Tokyo, they all have that arrangement on which they hang clothes to air out or dry after washing.

        Of course, you can buy wash tubs and wringers and all sorts of stuff like that from Lehman’s, but the low budget approach is as I described.

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    • City Chick August 19, 00:19

      You might want to try the bathtub to give things a good soak in some sudsy hot water. You can be your agitator and move it up and down with your hands or use a mop handle to swish it around. Empty the tub, and then refill it for the rinse cycle. Empty the tub again and push out as much water as you can. Then put up a line over the tub so it can hang it up and let it drip dry. If you don’t have a tub, you’ll have to see what you can rig up in the shower! Either way, it’ll take a while so I hope you have more than one set of sheets!

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      • Sabel August 19, 02:27

        Go to, look for laundry items and get yourself a “Breathing Mobile Washer.” It comes with a short handle but will screw onto a standard 5′ long broomstick handle. This one is made of plastic so it doesn’t rust. I have read reviews that warn about that issue with the metal version as well as sharp edges and corners that can rip cloth. It has some very good reviews. You will need a tub, a sink or a 5 gal bucket or you can buy a wash tub from them, too.
        I bought 2 of them last year, just in case, and they live in my non-perishable storage. They run $30 plus shipping. If you do not find other items to buy at their site, you aren’t looking very hard. 🤓
        I also bought a glass washboard from them. Again, no rusting or sharp corners/edges. I am ready to have clean clothes, even when SHTF. Out here in the dry part of Texas, that means a lot

        If you follow the link in their section on gardening/seeds, it will take yo to Baker Creek Seed Company’s site. If you live in or near Ohio, try to get there in person when the country opens up again. It is a full day tourist destination in a hardware store. Amazing to look at their collection of antique tools on the walls.

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    • Miss Kitty August 19, 23:09

      I do my laundry by hand. Two large soap buckets I got for free at my local laundromat that has a drop and run wash service, (they hold 40 lbs of soap, so…ten gallons, maybe? Hey, they were free!) I use a toilet plunger from dollar tree for an agitator, and I use Zote soap, grated into the water with a dollar tree grater. You can use any kind of soap, so long as you rinse it well. For drying, I have a tension shower rod wedged up securely between the walls over the bathtub and I dry things on hangers. I have a washboard I ordered thru the mail (Target? Walmart? Don’t recall.) That was about ten dollars for a small plastic one, but it seems pretty sturdy and should last a while.

      Fill your wash bucket about half way, add grated soap, agitate to suds it up. Add bleach if desired, make sure it’s incorporated well into the mix. Add clothes. I usually do no more than three good sized pieces of clothing per bucketfull , no more than two if heavy fabric like jeans. Agitate, soak for a few minutes, longer if really dirty. Agitate some more, lift out of soapy water and wring excess water back into bucket or tub. Place in bucket of rinse water (3/4 full) agitate, soak. Dump water out and add clean if still lots of suds. Once thoroughly rinsed, put on hangers and hang to drip dry. Heavy things like sheets, blankets, etc. should be suspended between two or three hangers and washed alone.

      You can also do this outside if you have room and use soapy water (no bleach or softener) to treat plants for aphids and rinse water to water the garden. Use a clothes line if you are able to string one, or a whirligig.

      Large items should be washed in the tub, using the plunger to work suds through. Squeeze out water by folding item in half and rolling it towards the drain end, squeezing water out as you go.

      This is definitely an upper body workout, so if you have back problems you might want to start off with only one or two smaller items. Get a strong person to wedge in the shower rod so it won’t slip from the weight of the wet items. I’ve done blankets, winter poly fill coats and comforters and all kinds of clothes this way. Good luck!

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    • ivuzw mv3po August 20, 20:38

      The bathtub is big enough to wash larger thins. B4 I got W/D I had to do washing in tub. Filled with laundry-soap and water. Used big wood stick I found (closet pole) to swish it around then drained tub and rinsed the same way. Go with Jesus.

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    • Dotty August 20, 21:46

      I have some suggestions. I don’t know if any will work for you.
      1) Rent a washer If you have a family and a lot of laundry, this is much cheaper than a laundromat
      2) Watch youtube videos and fix your washer yourself or maybe a family member or good friend can do this
      3) Buy a washer from Craigslist or Marketplace or find one by asking around. Sometimes you will find someone who can deliver if you can’t find a way to get it
      4) Ask a good friend if you can come over to do your most urgent laundry. Pay for the water and electricity.
      5) Pay someone who would like to earn money by doing your laundry.
      6) Trade or sell something to get money to buy a washer or to get money to fix yours.
      7) Wash laundry in the bathtub, a backbreaking, messy job, but I’ve done it

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      • dp August 21, 11:31

        Not to be negative about other preppers and their problems, but this is complete drama and a non-issue to me.

        You can ALWAYS find a working washer or dryer for $50 or less if you shop around.

        Craig’s List is your first stop. Then the local newspaper.

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    • Chris. G. August 24, 16:47

      Don’t know if I’m too late for you to get this commemt, but here goes. In the camping section of most variety type stores, you can find, to purchase, a ‘ camp washer’. It won’t help with really heavy fabrics- like work jeans, but shirts, undies and the like I can wash and rinse and spin to hang out side in about 20 minutes. Take a look, next time you’re at Cabell as or Walmart , or anything in between.

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    • Samilene October 15, 17:55

      My emergency clothes washing system is 2 5- gallon buckets, a plunger, a wringer I got on Amazon and a sawhorse. The wringer gets attached to the top of the sawhorse. Then I wash clothes in the first bucket, run them through the hand wringer (I have arthritis in my hands), rinse it in the second buckets the other side of the sawhorse, run them back through the wringer and the hang up to dry. So I can reuse the water a few times on each side and keep from having lots of pain in my hands.

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  14. Dee August 15, 04:32

    The local Kroger and Walmart had empty shelves, but the local Sprouts never ran out of food. They didn’t have toilet paper, but we already had TP stocked up so we didn’t care. The prices are higher at Sprouts, but I never had issues with them having meat, vegetables or canned goods at all. They did have a limit on the number you could purchase though. It might not have been my usual brand, but the employees kept stocking. And the employees were all very pleasant and helpful. I am still stocking up and growing a garden, but I’m not as worried as last time.

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  15. City Chick August 15, 17:51

    Here I always make it a point to shop very locally in the smaller markets and get to know the managers, the folks that stock the shelves and work the registers. On more than one occasion now, items that were hard to find and not found on the shelf, were found in the back. All you needed to do was to ask politely and remember to say thank you.

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    • left coast chuck August 15, 22:45

      It is truly amazing how far a little civility goes. But given the aggressive behavior we see with mask nazis and fist fights over mask wearing or not wearing together with a murder because a fast food order took too long even though the purchase price was refunded, civility is so uncommon, it must take people by surprise.

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      • Oracle August 16, 17:43

        We would have to have been living under a rock for the last decade to be surprised by this insanity. It’s been going on in the intercity and ghettos for decades. We just didn’t expect it to come out into the streets in our towns and neighborhoods.

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        • City Chick September 7, 15:37

          This is the big show that has been playing out in the big city coming to every town! Get ready cause here it comes and hold on to your hat!

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  16. rvrlady August 15, 19:03

    I have always purchased in quantity. I’m not Mormon, but I mostly follow their idea of having enough to last a year. That said, what is the difference between stocking up as preppers do, and hoarding as we currently see in shoppers?

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    • Hi-Style August 17, 13:32

      rvrlady, I’m going to suggest one difference that ought to be easy to remember: Peppers do their shopping BEFORE the calamity hits. Hoarders do it AS the S–T hits the fan. Just one old coots viewpoint,,,,,,

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    • ST August 17, 14:48

      Planning, organization, balance, reason.

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    • City Chick August 18, 03:21

      rvlady: Same here sister! I find stocking up, especially taking advantage on sales items saves me time as well as some money. I think those Mormons have the right idea when it comes to this level of preparedness. Nothing can beat the simple practice of prioritizing food security for peace of mind.

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  17. Hillbilly August 19, 13:55

    Words of wisdom to anyone who will accept these words. “It is better to have plenty and not it, than to have little and need it.”

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  18. Sceptic August 23, 11:49

    I read somewhere that you don’t have to kill the germs and bacteria on your hands, you just need to wash them off.
    Love to hear other’s thoughts on this.

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  19. City Chick August 24, 14:28

    Heard that on! Soap encapsulates the germs and the water then flushes them away! That’s why they are now checking sewage and it may not be the best thing to use a public rest room!

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  20. dp August 24, 15:04

    Surgeons don’t use antiseptic. They just wash their hands and don’t touch anything before surgery. it seems to work fine for them. I just wash my hands when I get home from the store.

    Heat and sun light kill the virus, so I always grab a grocery cart from the parking lot. Everyone in my house has been tested and none of us have had the virus.

    What it basically comes down to is that knowledge is power. If you get the facts about the virus, then it is easy to minimize the risk.

    If panic buyers didn’t strip the shelves I would get some Lysol disinfectant spray, which I usually keep around for cold and flu season… it’s been killing 99% of germs and viruses for decades. You can even use it on your hands if you are worried about something that you touched, but we just spay things like pillows that might harbor germs or viruses.

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    • City Chick August 24, 15:48

      Yes! There’s an interesting instructional video up on You Tube. “How to wash your hands like a surgeon.” Makes you stop and think as you pick up that bar of soap! You’ll never wash your hands the same way again. Moving forward it will become a practice and an event that you will focus on.

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  21. EscapeTheMatrix August 30, 02:41

    Hopefully, people on this site are intelligent enough to see through the COVID hoax.

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    • Miss Kitty August 31, 08:32

      Hoax or not, people are still getting sick from it, and it’s still affecting every aspect of our lives. We need to rethink how we do things just to keep one step ahead of the herd, because it’s not just how we react, but how we react to how others are reacting.
      We may not become ill, but it is also about maintaining grey man cover in the crowd. Also, the whole thing has been politicized. This party wears masks, these people don’t, blah blah. In certain environments, you could wind up in traction for not wearing one. Best to observe what everyone else is doing and follow along. Keep a mask with you, to put on if the situation requires it.
      In many places, if you don’t mask up, you can be fined or even arrested…yes, it’s a violation of your rights, but “common good”, blah blah.
      Hopefully, it’ll be over soon.

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      • City Chick August 31, 16:50

        Crooks here in the big city just love wearing masks! Helps them blend into the crowd! Even everyday folks are now emboldened by wearing a mask here! Just today in NJ man pulled out a spear gun in a fight over a parking space! Must be a Brooklyn transplant!

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    • dp August 31, 09:14

      I prefer to use the term false flag. When you use the term hoax them many ignorant people don’t really understand the terminology, and they get upset because, “BUT, PEOPLE ARE DYING!”

      They don’t really understand the term false flag either, but when the start screaming about people dying it is much easier to point out that false flag does not mean that no one dies, and you have many examples that make this abundantly clear such as 9/11, or the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

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  22. LSM123 September 2, 20:46

    As someone who worked in the scientific field for decades, I have a hard time believing that the entire medical community has been duped or fallen in line with a hoax…but my gut tells me otherwise. When all of this is over, we may descend into a new Dark Age because people will have lost faith in science and medicine after having all these overblown statistics thrown at them, only to find that it has been one huge narcissistic gaslighting by the folks who want to see the world descend into Socialism and New World order.

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    • Miss Kitty September 3, 09:23

      I fear that you are right.
      Otoh, we have the knowledge…once that genie was released from the bottle, it’s not going back in so easily, so you may want to read up on the care and breeding of leaches before you need them.
      It’s more likely that people aren’t going to have access to facilities, medications, equipment, etc. Unless they are wealthy or government officials. (Same thing in the upcoming banana grand republic!)

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    • City Chick September 3, 15:43

      In my opinion LSM123 , You are right over the target. Here in the big city we have a governor who beyond all reason took specific steps to increase the death count, by sending COVID 19 patients to nursing homes. He knew elderly folks were at high risk. He knew folks who were not in good health were at night risk. He knew that folks with complications were at high risk. He bragged that he was so concerned about protecting own mother! The heck with everybody else’s loved ones. All of this went down, while the President was jumping threw hoops to get equipment and supplies, even using the war production act to compensate for the failure of New York State and New York City to implement FEMAs 2015 recommendations for disaster preparedness. Opening up full staffed emergency field hospitals, deploying the Navy’s Hospital Ship. Most of which was not used because Cuomo directed City hospitals to send patients to nursing homes even when they told him they were not prepared to handle the case load and not able to protect their other residents. Who does this? Andrew Cuomo that’s who! And he wrote a book to cover himself and blame others and he thinks he should be president!!

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      • T September 3, 15:46

        Cuomo is a vile trashbag of a man. He’s a disgrace, even for a politician. I’m not sure who’s worse, him, or his fans.

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        • City Chick September 6, 19:35

          T, Cuomo is!! He ordered elderly COVID 19 patients discharged from hospitals and sent back to nursing homes with body bags. “Cuomo killed Nana!” Can’t get any worse than that!!

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      • dp September 6, 17:50

        City Chick,

        Bingo 🙂 🙂 🙂

        I just picked up 10 acres of prime wooded land in the Ozarks of Missouri that backs up to over 10,000 acres of public land in the Mark Twain National Forest.

        Just let me know when you are tired of the cockroach race and fighting the good fight in NYC, and I will try to secure you a nice spot in the area or put you up until you can find one that suits you… 🙂

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  23. City Chick September 4, 14:10

    Don’t worry, He doesn’t have any fans. He buys his friends with political schemes doling out dough in favorable deals and contracts. He tightens up union contract packages the same way to secure their votes as a solid block. That’s why he’s so upset with DeBlasio going rogue against the cops! Now both the city and state police unions have come out in support of Trump! And as the president said “New York is in Play”!

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