I Lived In A Post-SHTF World For 3 Years, And This Is What I Learned

Maybell Nieves
By Maybell Nieves July 25, 2019 07:26

I Lived In A Post-SHTF World For 3 Years, And This Is What I Learned

Editor’s note: This article was written by Maybell Nieves, a professional physician from Venezuela.

As a professional physician having always lived in a big city, I never imagined that at some point in my life, the social and economic situation of my country, Venezuela, would lead me to learn and use survival skills that I had read about but never even thought of applying.

Without being in a declared war or a formal armed conflict, we have experienced different situations of chaos for about 10 years in Venezuela. But in the last three years, the country has become a true SHTF scenario, where the only way to move forward is to learn how to survive.

I feel that the lack of food, clean water, and, at the lowest point of the situation, electricity, has given me new skills that have undoubtedly prepared me for any catastrophic situation.

After three years in this contingency, I can now share every situation that took me by surprise and the techniques I had to learn by doing.

There is no such thing as “too much” stored water

I Lived In A Post-SHTF World For 3 Years And This Is What I Learned

Water is one of the most important resources we need for life. Unlike other supplies, it is not interchangeable with another product, and to be ingested, it must go through a purification process.

I have never been prepared for a water shortage before. Now I know it is important to keep water stored safely in closed containers. If water is not drinkable, it must be purified before ingesting it since contaminated water can cause serious gastrointestinal diseases.

Water is not just for drinking but is used in many other activities, such as cooking and cleaning, so I had to learn some purification techniques that can be done at home.

One of the most popular techniques to decontaminate water is to boil it for three minutes. Purification tablets are also very useful, not that expensive, and easy to use.

Adding five drops of chlorine per liter of water as an emergency measure is another way to clean the stored water.

Grains are my friends

To eat properly, it is necessary to consume proteins, fats, and carbohydrates.

The moment I realized that animal protein was scarce—in addition to the fact that the electricity problems spoiled it—I had to investigate the nutritional content of other foods in order to keep myself well-fed.

Lentils are grains that are easy to store, non-perishable, and high in protein. Together with a cereal like rice, they make a complete meal that keeps us well-nourished and in good health.

Let there be light: candles, matches, flashlights, and batteries

I Lived In A Post-SHTF World For 3 Years And This Is What I LearnedAfter spending more than four hours without power, I began to worry. I had some candles saved, but I did not know where they could be. I also had a couple of flashlights, but I had removed the batteries to prevent them from being sulfated.

Candles and matches must be in several easily accessible places. Likewise, the batteries should be in the same place where the flashlights are kept, and we must be sure that they have a charge.

During this year, the country suffered the most serious electrical crisis. In several areas, there were blackouts of up to five days.

After a couple of days without electricity, the candles will not be enough, so learning to make oil lamps becomes a vital skill in this situation.

The lack of electricity can lead to a state of anguish that grows with the passage of time. It is important to do everything possible to minimize that effect.

Related: How To Make 30 Hours Survival Candles with Soy Wax

Be prepared with medicines, but it’s better to learn from nature

Due to my profession, I am always very attentive about keeping basic medications, such as anti-inflammatories, analgesics, and antibiotics, in the cabinet.

When I had to live in an SHTF situation, my medical supplies became insufficient, and I couldn’t find any in the pharmacies or they were too expensive. So I had to learn a little more about natural medicine, its uses, and its benefits.

I must say that this is one of the most important things I learned during that time.

Many anti-inflammatory drugs and synthetic analgesics damage the stomach mucosa as a side effect. In situations of stress, there is a large production of acids in the stomach, so using drugs that further damage this organ is not the best idea.

Roots such as ginger and turmeric are excellent anti-inflammatories. They are easy to get and easy to store. Likewise, garlic is a potent analgesic.

In the case of presenting wounds or cuts and not having antibiotic ointments, honey, ginger, and cloves are foods that have scientifically proven antibiotic properties.

Chamomile and lavender are natural relaxants and help fight stress and insomnia.

No matter how big the supply of medicines we have, it will always be more economical, favorable, and easy to store the natural product, with equal and, in some cases, greater effects.

Cash

Banks have made life easier for us with the use of debit and credit cards. However, there are situations in which having a lot of money in the bank does not help much, and I learned it the hard way.

When there is an electrical fault, despite the fact that light and other electrical services have been restored already, the digital communication of the points of purchase become so affected that it is impossible to buy anything in this way.

For this reason, I understood that it is always important to keep some amount of cash for this type of contingency.

Related: 24 Prepping Items I Don’t Spend Money On

Take advantage of any time you get to replace supplies

Although during those years I did not have to be locked in a bunker without being able to leave, the feeling of confinement was quite similar. When, in spite of having the money, you can’t find what you need to eat or, despite having a private vehicle, you can’t move for lack of gasoline, the situation becomes desperate.I Lived In A Post-SHTF World For 3 Years And This Is What I LearnedI understood that in those moments in which there was an opportunity to replace the supplies I had at home, especially water and non-perishable food, I had to do it.

The situation in my country has improved. Although still not at the best economic and social level, and with many problems of scarcity and lack of some supplies, society has been regularized.

However, I appreciate the years that taught me these valuable lessons that I still apply.

The most important thing I learned was to be prepared for when an SHTF situation strikes again.

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  1. Raven tactical July 25, 09:40

    No mention of defense or how its improved. No mention of police or military issues.

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    • Nick. July 25, 14:12

      Self defense is an instinct for most humans. You either have it or you don’t. No need to defend yourself if you’re not getting food and water. The focus of the article is sustenance, not getting out of a fire fight 101. Odds are against the prepper if the cops or military are a problem because you are outnumbered and outgunned. What have you done to prepare for issues with cops and military when SHTF?

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      • Raven tactical July 25, 18:02

        Actually it’s not if you look at ww2 only 15 percent of combat troops did the killing in combat. They had to really focus on conditioning soldiers to kill by name it was hovering around 95 percent.

        The book resistance to tyranny is a good book for those looking to deal with police and military

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      • The Ohio Prepper July 26, 01:49

        Nick,

        Odds are against the prepper if the cops or military are a problem because you are outnumbered and outgunned.

        This is of course Venezuela, where the police & military are basically stooges of a socialist dictatorial regime. Hugo Chávez nationalized companies & socialized one of the wealthiest countries in the region, followed by Nicolás Maduro who has done pretty much the same thing as they are all mostly treated equally, as the new peasant class.

        What have you done to prepare for issues with cops and military when SHTF?

        Following the laws is a good start and not doing anything outlandish to attract negative attention.
        Volunteering for community civic activities where you mingle with law enforcement, and local first responders is also a good thing, since if the local LEO’s have at least a recognition that you are on their side, then they can go about their business handling problems, knowing you are not a problem, has worked for me for about the past 20+ years.

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    • Saal July 25, 15:43

      This was good insight into the physiological perspective of survival and general logistics of day-to-day living in your situation.
      Well said – However to emphasis what the other gentleman said, “what was your observations as far as interaction between local so-called police, EMS, government, and just straight up civilian population?”
      In group / out group liaisons?
      Bartering?
      Obviously as a doctor you were in a good position as far as added value to any community. What other skills did you see prevalent as added value to a community or been able to survive? Humans get clan and tribal quick in these situations…????

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  2. Wannabe July 25, 11:45

    Thankyou for sharing. Are you planning to write anything in the future about how you are getting through the crisis? Something more in depth? Thankyou for reinforcing the needs to have these basic things but it is what we have discussed many times for many months. Venezuelans can teach us many things right now but we are just not getting many reports from there just that things are bad. I’m not minimizing the needs and problems, just would like for folks to just tell us everything. Like Puerto Rico, why so hush hush? A lot of lessons being learned there as well. Need grass roots hands on reports. We would learn a lot from that. Sorry for your sufferings there. Your country was such a thriving society not too long ago then evil leadership destroyed it. Share all you can please maybe in a memoirs form. Just a suggestion, Thankyou.

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    • Miss Kitty July 26, 13:20

      There is an excellent series of articles on “The Organic Prepper”‘s website. They were written by a man who worked in the petroleum industry, and they address many of these topics, including the rationing and violence.

      There is also a series on “T.O.P.” written by a man who survived the Bosnian wars, and address more of the civil war aspects that are of concern to many of us here.

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    • Maybell August 2, 16:05

      Thank you very much! I am going to write something else soon about the political situation.
      Hope it clarify a little nore this strage situation we are living right now

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  3. trish July 25, 17:51

    thank you for the information, i also heard dont tell anyone of what you are hoardings away because you are the first ones to get robbed of it! There is never a time when you shouldnt do these things, this country is always being attacked, from our own goverment to give to the rich everything under the sun and letting the other classes to starving almost, to foreigh country deciding our elections and our countrys milatary. These are so true to us and if we close our eyes for a minute this is what will happen to us!If your under the ception ” this WON’T happen here” you are sadly mistaken if one country can do it , this can happen here!!!!

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    • JustMe July 25, 18:18

      Trish, after reading your comment several times I still cannot make sense out of your words. So your country only caters to the rich and makes a concerted effort to starve to death anyone who isn’t rich? Remind me to never ever visit your country. Here in the good old U. S. Of A every citizen is free to live the life they choose. I wonder why your country only allows the rich to live.

      I’ve lived in the USA all of my life and have never been attacked by the government. We do have politicians who want to steal our hard earned income and give it to lazy slobs who happen to be citizens and criminals who invade our country by illegally crossing our borders. At least in your country you don’t have hoards of impoverished people wanting to break in and get a free ride. Maybe we should starve the poor invaders like your country starves it’s poor to keep the invading riff raft out.

      In my 64 years as a citizen I cannot recall one election that was decided by a foreign country. You should have your government do something about foreigners meddling in your elections. We don’t stand for that garbage in the USA

      You also made an unintelligible reference to your military but your incoherent writing style makes it impossible to determine the point that you were trying to make. Fortunately, in the USA we have the worlds most powerful military so we don’t worry about banana republics messing with us.

      It’s been a while since I did any teaching but my background in education tells me that your reading comprehension skills are at what we refer to as third grade level – about 9 year old skills. Maybe you should let mommy do your writing for you until you complete the 6th grade, umK?

      Sincerely, JustMe.

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      • red July 26, 01:49

        I think Trish gave better advice more clearly than you. why this vitriol against her? If you actually had a problem reading what she wrote, try again. She writes just as most Americans do, open and sincere, as a sister would. Keep the peace. That’s a man’s duty.

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        • JustMe July 26, 12:45

          Red. “I Think”. Yeah right. Talk about an oxymoron. She writes like an uneducated illiterate. I’m sure that you are very comfortable in the company of illiterates. In addition, she holds a fantasy version of reality. Give her a box of crayons and a blankie because dealing with reality is not her strong suit. If she can spew her ignorance in public I can call her out for it because we live in a free society, understand?

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          • red July 27, 23:21

            Why yes, I am. And very comfortable in Publishers Row, Manhattan. And comfortable with cattlemen. with military personnel. comfortable with anyone who doesn’t speak as a loser, denigrating others because he has nothing beyond causing girly troubles. As a moron, your version, I’m very comfortable with professors, with biologists, with anyone in library science/research. I’m very comfortable in Harlem, East LA, any rez, and in fact a number of foreign nations. Had I taken the job teaching English in Vietnam, I would have been comfortable there, as well. Now that ascertain my English is higher than yours, what say you to that? that my standards are far higher, perhaps, and that I’m also very comfortable in the midst of psychologists because there are quite a few in the family. We like women well-educated. We demand the children remain respectful of others. We do not tolerate bigotry. Trish did no one harm, but you, rather than teach, made an ass of yourself by hurting her. That’s a loser, not a survivor. Ohio was right, and I add, loners are all too often drug addicts, or alcoholics, suicidal, dangerous to others, and anti-social. Humans are wolves, and lone wolves die alone, and usually badly. I see no future in you, only suffering and hate. This is a family of strangers. Family members rarely get along well, but remain a family.

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            • JustMe July 29, 12:46

              Red, you win the award. In my 64 years on this rock I’ve never had the displeasure of encountering a person as full of himself as you. From your posts any simpleton can surmise that you are an ignorant loser. Does mommy know you’re playing with her laptop little girl? I’d love to be a fly on your wall when SHTF. I’d die laughing at you the fool getting its face rubbed in it on day one. About the only use you have to this world is fertilizing the weeds wherever your carcass falls.

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              • red July 30, 05:02

                You’re whining, again. 🙂

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              • The Ohio Prepper July 30, 07:56

                JustMe,

                Red, you win the award. In my 64 years on this rock I’ve never had the displeasure of encountering a person as full of himself as you. From your posts any simpleton can surmise that you are an ignorant loser.

                In my 68 years I often wonder what happened to someone more than 6 decades old who is still an acerbic curmudgeon. Attacking people you’ve never met may make you feel superior; but, all it elicits from me is pity at your outlook on the world, and how unhappy you must be. I am reminded of the words of the late Wayne Dyer “How people treat you is their karma; how you react is yours.” and the possibility of change from that same guy: “If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.”

                About the only use you have to this world is fertilizing the weeds wherever your carcass falls.

                I suppose you are setup in an underground bunker away from all people and hazards. If not, your attitude will get you turned into that same fertilizer, post haste.

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              • Nucdog August 12, 19:42

                Dear Just Me, Perhaps if you stopped living in Fox Nation and joined the real world you would realize that there is a whole world of sh** you don’t know about because you only get your info from entertainment outlets (Fox Nation). So some people think the whole rest of the world media is lying and faking. Seriously? All the other news outlets are lying and faking an the far right (all 5 outlets if you include Info Wars) are the truth tellers. Guess what? Democrats love this country more than anything and we want to protect it in the manner that the founders intended. Separation of Church and State. The first Amendment is first because it is the most important. The 2nd Amendment: well going to the woods with your buddies to drink beer and shoot guns is NOT a WELL Regulated Militia. Try opening you mind just a tiny bit and let a new idea in. I am a prepper, a Vet, a liberal and a woman. And I am not the only one. I prep because of Global warming, and the possibility of an EMP. Why do people like you prep, when they refuse publicly embracing Climate Change as a real science based scenario. I think its because in the back of your mind you know its real. Why do you deem the real scary stuff as fake and decide the improbable is more likely? The lack of reason displayed by you and some others blows my mind. Wake up and smell the fires. Christ said “give alms to the poor”, he did not say after you judge them worthy. I wonder that hard hearted people can sleep at night. Don’t say they are not worthy, be honest and say your just too damn stingy.

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                • Raven tactical August 12, 19:46

                  Oh good the shitty veteran who flaunts her mattress status in the military to make a point.

                  The second amendment isn’t just the militia you dumb ass. It is a duel role that part is for the individual and the other is for the militia. Both shall not be infringed. I know your slave owning kkk army past would love more then a socialist party system here and free health care but some of us stand for something at least

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                  • The Ohio Prepper August 13, 01:40

                    Raven tactical,

                    The second amendment isn’t just the militia you dumb ass. It is a duel role that part is for the individual and the other is for the militia. Both shall not be infringed.

                    Why do these hypercritical leftists always get this wrong?
                    When it comes to killing babies, Roe V Wade is untouchable, sta•re de•ci•sis, precedent, settled law (Latin: let the decision stand); even though that right was constructed of whole cloth; however, those same rulings on the 2nd amendment (Heller V Washington DC & Macdonald V Chicago) , need to be constantly challenged, since they stand in the way of the left to fully control the country and its population.
                    Personally, as the late Charlton Heston once stated: ”From my cold dead hands”

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                    • red August 19, 04:25

                      DNC has its own version of the Constitution. I saw it when last in a restroom contemplating life. niio

                • The Ohio Prepper August 13, 01:25

                  Nucdog,

                  Wow, where to start in such a rich field of innuendo and ignorance.

                  Dear Just Me, Perhaps if you stopped living in Fox Nation and joined the real world you would realize that there is a whole world of sh** you don’t know about because you only get your info from entertainment outlets (Fox Nation).

                  While Just Me does seem to have a rather jaded view, and there is some truth in what both of you state, it looks to me like opposite ends, missing the middle, which is where most of us are located (physically & politically)

                  So some people think the whole rest of the world media is lying and faking. Seriously? All the other news outlets are lying and faking an the far right (all 5 outlets if you include Info Wars) are the truth tellers.

                  All news outlets have their spin; but, too often, they try to pass opinion for news, which serves no one. Including Alex Jones & Info Wars in news on any side is as ignorant as he is.

                  Guess what? Democrats love this country more than anything and we want to protect it in the manner that the founders intended.

                  Really? You mean with big government taking over and dictating everything from a single place filled with elitists? Our founding father fought a revolution to stop that kind of government, and from time to time we always have to fight it back, often from those who see the Constitution as an impediment instead of a rule book.

                  Separation of Church and State. The first Amendment is first because it is the most important.

                  The only problem is that the 1st amendment says nothing about separation, and only forbids the establishment while protecting the right to choose your religion: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

                  The phrase “Separation of church and state” is derived from a letter written by President Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to Baptists from Danbury, Connecticut, and published in a Massachusetts newspaper soon thereafter and is not in the Constitution.

                  The 2nd Amendment: well going to the woods with your buddies to drink beer and shoot guns is NOT a WELL Regulated Militia.

                  First of all, your stereotype is demeaning and like your “separation”, comes only from myth. I have been a firearm instructor for nearly 30 years, and alcohol or other mind altering substances are forbidden with firearms around.
                  As for the militia, one should look to the actual definition: in 10 U.S. Code §?246. Militia: composition and classes that states:

                  The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

                  The exceptions for age and females would no doubt be thrown out due to discrimination, leaving us with all able bodied citizens 17 years or older.

                  Ohio Revised Code has a similar definition:
                  5923.01 State militia membership

                  The Ohio organized militia consist of all citizens of the state who are not permanently handicapped, as handicapped is defined in section 4112.01 of the Revised Code, who are more than seventeen years, and not more than sixty-seven years, of age unless exempted as provided in section 5923.02 of the Revised Code.

                  Try opening you mind just a tiny bit and let a new idea in. I am a prepper, a Vet, a liberal and a woman.

                  First of all, thank you for your service.
                  By liberal, do you mean classic liberal, or the new AOC breed of socialists that are dragging the democrat party to the left?
                  Many of the classic liberals now only want things like free speech if they agree with that speech.

                  And I am not the only one. I prep because of Global warming, and the possibility of an EMP. Why do people like you prep, when they refuse publicly embracing Climate Change as a real science based scenario.

                  I prep and have been doing so for more than 40 years, because “The End Of The World As We Know It” can take many forms, more often personal than regional or global. A layoff from a job or a sudden illness can be more devastating than the improbable events like and EMP. In my location, where Tornados are the only major threat, we have training and technology to get a warning to hunker down. For a power outage I can power my home for months off grid and live without much impact on our day to day lives. We all should prep for the events in our area, ranging from wildfires to hurricanes to earthquakes and who knows what else.
                  I have worked with local Emergency Management for just over 20 years, and getting normal citizens to get on board is perhaps our hardest job, since we should all prep at least a bit.

                  As for Global Warming, or Change, or whatever the recent wording is, I am skeptical for a number of reasons. I attended the first Earth Day in Washington DC (April 1970) where the future problem was global cooling and potential snowball earth; but, when that didn’t occur, it was warming, and when that wasn’t fast enough, it became ”change”, so anything out of the ordinary can allow those in power to control us.
                  My engineering degrees with a math and statistics background have allowed me to look at the raw data and the actual computer code for the East Anglia models, and no one mentiones that they purposefully leave out the data from the ”Little Ice Age” and the ” Maunder Minimum”.
                  I also find it interesting that Climate Change advocates talk about ”Believers”, ”Deniers”, and ”Consensus” , all terms of religion; but, not of real scientific investigation.
                  Man has no doubt impacted climate, because you cannot take 100 acres of greenery, that converts sunlight and CO2 into O2 and carbon based life, and replace it with concrete and blacktop without a heat island and other impacts.
                  Should we tear down the cities and have everyone living rural again? That would help; but, most are not equipped physically or mentally to do so, needing their pizza delivered on demand.
                  In my case, most of our 8 acres, and the surrounding hundreds, still do their conversion each and every day, as we live with nature and the land.,.

                  I think its because in the back of your mind you know its real. Why do you deem the real scary stuff as fake and decide the improbable is more likely? The lack of reason displayed by you and some others blows my mind.

                  What is the ”real scary stuff” you mention? Personally I’m not scared of anything in particular; but, try to have resources and skills to mitigate the probable things that can affect me and my location.

                  Wake up and smell the fires.

                  Do you mean the wildfires out west from improper forestry management and practices?
                  Fires and floods have not affected my location in our 35 years here, because we selected the site after investigating the potential issues.
                  Locate your home in a forest or on a river for the scenery, or in a warm climate place subject to hurricanes, and some things may be inevitable; but, not scary, with the correct attitude and planning.

                  I wonder that hard hearted people can sleep at night. Don’t say they are not worthy, be honest and say your just too damn stingy.

                  Once again you are lacking the facts and relying on myth.
                  If you look at some of the wealthiest people on both sides of the aisle, you will find most often, that those on the left are the stingy ones. That is perhaps the reason those on the left prefer government largess, to private charity, since government handouts give them control of those masses being helped.
                  Some might call this purchasing votes; but, others might call it extortion, using of course, other people’s money. (Maggie Thatcher had that one right for sure)

                  Once again I thank you for your service, and hope you find peace in your life.

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                • JustMe August 13, 15:47

                  Nucdog. After you pull your empty vacant vapid ignorant skull out of of your fatass and face reality for the first time in your life you might be deemed worth a comment. You don’t know me from Adam but based in the way you have misjudged me you’d be dead meat within a week of a real SHTF situation. Looters will have a field day with you. Keep living in la la land and you’ll reap the rewards of a loser, loser.

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                • red August 19, 03:29

                  I agree with you in general principal, but when did the DNC love this nation? I’m not talk people, but politicians. The DNC started out the millionaire’s club and remains it. They fought a war to own slaves. They gave us the Children of the Dragon, then terrorism. After that failed, Nazism. They adopted Nazism into their ranks by way of Joe Kennedy, who because a Nazi in the 30s, and later, Soros, once a proud member of the Gestapo. In the 90s, 9,000 Tarahumara starved to death and the DNC ignored it. Why? You do not own a redskin, so Jefferson’s playbook comes out, remove or relocate. Oops, no place to relocate. The DNC is grotesque and anti-human. I heard politicians laughing about tricking voters so they could make more laws to own people ever stricter.

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      • Miss Kitty July 26, 13:43

        Whilst I may not agree with some of Trish’s comments, (or her politics, it would seem), she was voicing a legitimate concern for herself and many others.

        You DON’T tell people about your preps unless you want to have a mob descend upon your house, demanding aid or taking your stuff at gunpoint.

        I don’t believe that the military poses a threat to the citizenry AT THIS TIME. With the election next year further dividing us, depending on the results and the reaction post election from certain quarters, the military could be called in to “restore order” – depending on what else is going on, martial rule in some areas may well happen. But I don’t think we will experience a junta here.

        It’s too bad that Trisha thinks that the rich rule the country and oppress the poor to the point of starvation. Whilst the rich DO rule here, there are resources available for people who are in a food insecurity situation.

        You may not agree with her, but attacking her for her concerns and her educational background is childish. State why her concerns are, in your opinion, irrelevant, but don’t mock them. Perhaps she has seen this situation before somewhere else and she is seeing a trend here that is leading her to believe that it not only could but will happen here.

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        • JustMe July 26, 17:21

          Miss. I stated my concerns regarding The ignorant non fact based comments posted by Trish. You obviously dont have poor reading skills as evidenced by your posts on this and many other topics. Your problem is that “ You can’t handle the truth”. If you can’t swing with the monkeys then get out of the tree. You’re not helping the helpless, and this Trish is no doubt a basket case, by placating them. I live in the real world. You enter the land of rainbows and unicorns by your own choice and at your own risk. Go ahead, make a bunch of excuses for the loser, you can even chastise me for pointing out the truth, but at the end of the day this loser, Trish, is still going to be a loser.

          Want to know why U.S. is in such a political mess? Because for years those of us who live by America’s traditional values were told by the. “ intelligent progressives”people like this loser Trish, that we are racist homophonic mysoginistic haters for holding on to our beliefs. And we just took it. Sat there with our mouths closed and did nothing. That has all changed. We will no longer be silent. Whenever an ignorant fool like this Trish opens its ignorant mouth, we the people will respond. The time of silence is over. We have a President who doesn’t take America hating rhetoric with a closed mouth. He speaks up and defends America. And soon, tens of millions of us will be responding to the America haters and their lies with a deafening roar.

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          • Miss Kitty July 27, 03:53

            Boy, are you EVER barking up the wrong tree! Sometimes the kindest thing to say is nothing. Being a jerk doesn’t do anything but stroke your own ego.

            You want to talk about me dancing in a field of buttercups and daisies with butterflies and unicorns, the harsh reality is that in a post shtf situation, you better keep a low profile and your mouth shut. Because if you try to bully the wrong person with your “superior intellect” and bad attitude you’re going to wind up dead in a ditch.
            I’m not saying this to be mean, but if you are half as smart as you think you are, you need to cultivate a sense of self preservation. You can get just as dead in a bad bar fight or a road rage incident.

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            • The Ohio Prepper July 27, 14:45

              Miss Kitty,

              Boy, are you EVER barking up the wrong tree! Sometimes the kindest thing to say is nothing. Being a jerk doesn’t do anything but stroke your own ego.

              Good call Kitty. I visit or haunt numerous preparedness forums, and for some reason, this one seems to contain the most vitriol and animus.
              I am reminded of the words of the late self-help author and motivational speaker Wayne Dyer who stated :“How people treat you is their karma; how you react is yours.”
              As someone who has lived this self reliant lifestyle for most of my life, with an engineering background where things must be precise, I can be critical about facts; but, outright libel against someone you never met and don’t know, simply to, as you put it, ” stroke your own ego.” is not at all helpful.

              the harsh reality is that in a post shtf situation, you better keep a low profile and your mouth shut. Because if you try to bully the wrong person with your “superior intellect” and bad attitude you’re going to wind up dead in a ditch.

              Well stated; but, often not understood by some of the keyboard warriors who seem to haunt this place. One must understand OPSEC and build your MAG with care; but, with effort and patience, I have developed relationships with people very different from me, who in the end were reaching for the same goal.

              I’m not saying this to be mean, but if you are half as smart as you think you are, you need to cultivate a sense of self preservation. You can get just as dead in a bad bar fight or a road rage incident.

              Once again I agree as does General and NATO Supreme Allied Commander James “Mad Dog” Mattis understood when he said: ““be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet”
              Note that the diplomacy has to come first to avoid the conflict when possible.

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              • Miss Kitty July 28, 03:46

                THE Ohio Prepper:
                Thank you for your kind support!

                PS: Go Buckeyes!

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                • The Ohio Prepper July 29, 10:24

                  Miss Kitty & Red,
                  I appreciate the sentiment for the Steelers & the Buckeyes; but, I have never been a fan of organized sports at the college or professional level.
                  I attended every Junior High & High school football game back in the day; but, I was a member of the marching band and had no choice.
                  I would rather be hiking, camping, hunting, or shooting, all personal sporting activities.
                  In my youth some 40 years ago I also did rock climbing, spelunking, scuba diving, and even a bit of sky diving.
                  Watching sports, especially on TV seems to me a waste of time; but, I suspect it’s like those gladiator battles of ancient Rome, where people who toiled all week could be heroes as spectators, especially if their side won.

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                  • Miss Kitty July 29, 14:04

                    Bread and circuses.

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                  • red July 30, 04:38

                    Ah, well, had to put a plug in for Penna! I played when in school, but lost interest since. Long since, in fact. I had a chance to tryout in the Army, but didn’t. I got it back for a while attending games the stepson played in. Since leaving school, he had less interest them I do. Professional sports are modern bread and circuses. Like the 4 talking heads in congress, they divide our attention. Every chance I had, I was in the woods and fields, the river, gone camping in all kinds of weather to study what I was taught. Nature is a rough school, but fun if you work with her.

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                • The Ohio Prepper July 29, 11:19

                  Miss Kitty,

                  Thank you for your kind support!

                  You are quite welcome.
                  Not a problem, since Some people have to remain adult in any tough situation.

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              • Miss Kitty July 28, 03:52

                THE Ohio Prepper:
                Thank you for your kind support.
                PS: Go Buckeyes!

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            • red July 28, 00:28

              I opened this just to be sure it wasn’t me you were aiming at, I mean posting to 🙂 niio

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              • The Ohio Prepper July 28, 03:31

                Red,

                I opened this just to be sure it wasn’t me you were aiming at, I mean posting to 🙂 niio

                No and one reason I have always pushed the sites I haunt for everyone to use attributions. You’ll note the one above starts with ”Miss Kitty” and this one starts with ”Red” so even when posts in a thread get out of order, and they always do, it is clear to whom a reply was intended.
                I find it saves much confusion.

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              • Miss Kitty July 29, 14:06

                Sorry….I should have yelled “duck” louder! 🙂

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          • the ar 15 August 3, 14:30

            just me, onestly, your just wining

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            • Justme August 3, 21:12

              AR. Bite me loser. Run home and cry to mommy. And while your at it, have mommy change your diaper. You stink little girl.

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            • red August 5, 04:27

              ar 15 justme comes on under a new name now and then to make trouble on this site. One thing no one has to worry about him is, complainers aren’t going to survive long after the troubles start unless they’re spying for the government.

              Did you see what happened in El Paso? The shooter is a Progressive, a liberal.

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        • Raven tactical July 26, 17:29

          The military will follow orders for the most part. Due to the fact they will be one of the few getting paid when it happens. The military took guns in Katrina and killed millions or citizens .

          Trumps anti gun laws opened the doors for a ban of semi automatics and both sides want your guns.

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          • left coast chuck July 29, 01:44

            Raven: Please check your figures when quoting a number. “Millions” did not die in the Katrina fiasco. Yes, way more people died than should have but the death toll did not come close to “millions”.

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        • red July 27, 23:29

          Yo! You walk in beauty! Life is, accept each person within their limitations and try to help where you. The, the person is an ally if not a friend, and helps you to grow. Trish is right to be wary of the wealthy. When someone wants something, they buy a politician to work on getting it. That’s happened too many times in our history, by the neolibs who use the Constitution like toilet paper. The wealthy can and do hire private armies to control people and events. Yet, I’ve known many who would give you their last dime, as well. niio

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        • JustMe July 29, 19:06

          Ms Kitty

          It’s easy to tell when the truth hits a nerve. The dog that barks first, loudest and longest is the guilty party. Maybe when you grow up and obtain wisdom you will be able to “ Handle the Truth”. Until then, good luck to you. You’re going to need it if you prep the way you deal with reality.

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          • Miss Kitty August 1, 02:05

            Seeing as how you, Just me, was the one who started this whole thing by randomly attacking Trisha because her remarks weren’t erudite enough to suit your delicate sensibilities, I would have to agree that “The dog that barks first, loudest and longest is the guilty party. ”

            “The dog barks, but the caravan moves on ….”

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            • red August 1, 06:14

              Miss Kitty: I second that. And, add that the only reason for such an attack is to drive people off this site. Reason and logic like honey and sugar, are far more attractive than cold mocking. As God said, let us reason together. niio

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        • The Ohio Prepper July 30, 08:04

          Miss Kitty,
          When you state:

          Whilst I may not agree with some of Trish’s comments, (or her politics, it would seem), she was voicing a legitimate concern for herself and many others.

          I’m not sure I know for sure; but, is it possible that Trish is talking on behalf of the author of this article, or is perhaps even a countryman of the author?
          It would be nice if she would pop back in and explain her situation and her location, at least in general.

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      • Helen August 19, 17:40

        Just me— your comments were unnecessarily cruel, and it can happen here in the good old USA if we are not careful and not let bully’s that like other dictators make too many of our our laws.

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        • JustMe August 19, 18:14

          Helen. Run on home and cry to mommy little girl, she is the only one who will tolerate your whine. If you can’t handle the truth then don’t hang out with adults. The next time I need a big dose of ignorance I’ll look you up and ask if you wil share some of yours.

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        • red August 22, 05:06

          Helen: Look on the psychology of the situation. justme is crying for attention. He has no life beyond damaging this and other posting areas. It’s no use trying to make him behave, he’s beyond that. Best thing to do when he posts, picture him in a dark, damp basement humming a racy tune while slowly stripping off various pieces of clothing. Than, the finally, he stands naked, head thrown back, arms up. Doesn’t he look silly? Why would you allow someone that silly to annoy you? niio

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          • Justme August 22, 13:02

            RED

            Right! Making up a fantasy based on your total lack of knowledge tells anyone with an ounce of gray matter between their ears that you have a tendency to grossly underestimate your opponent. Based on this fact It’s no wonder you are a total loser in the game of life. After you get your cranioanalectomy come on back and comment. You just might be able to drool and grunt a little more proficiently. Now go on back to that dark little corner in mommies basement and play with yourself squaw boy.

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            • red August 23, 05:50

              I’m sorry, was there something intelligent you wanted to say or are you still hugging Mr. Teddy Kennedy dolls while weeping over your love god, Coke-Nose Bill Clinton in that blue dress? If you want to play games, go for it. Where I grew up, seriously, if you call a woman a bitch and she’ll tell you to stop flirting. Yes, thank God for all that training ion psychology. Your posts show nothing but weeping and gritting your teeth. You have no desire to help, only to attack those you see as helpless. You’re the sort causing problems by your inability to deal with reality. Each post shows a lonely little kid who was sexually abused. Squaw boy? Thank you for the compliment. 🙂 Reality can be scary, but if you try, you can handle it.

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              • JustMe August 23, 11:09

                Still playing with mommies laptop little girl? Maybe when you grow up your knuckles will no longer drag on on the floor when you ambulate, but don’t pin your dreams on it.

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                • red August 24, 14:37

                  Hmmm 🙂 Thank you, I needed a good laugh. Still playing the skin game, there Jesse Jackson, I see. Call me a little girl? I love it. The way we raise our daughters is, baby girl has her first yelasdi, a knife, when she turns five. She already has to know how to use a paring knife, with plenty of supervision, if course, and Mommy then begins to teach how to gut small game and poultry. Icky work, but it also teaches her where to put the knife to good use when someone like your fav pedo shows up. And, yep, plenty of places in abandoned mines to feed the coyotes. Acid in the mine water doesn’t leave a lot. By the time Little Girl is 8, she has her own .22 and Mommy takes her out to the woods every chance they get in all kinds of weather to learn how to use it. By this time, Little girl is proficient with old guitar wire for any number of things. She should also be pretty good at Slap, a redneck version of kali death, and by 16, owns her own bird gun. Her trousseau will be complete by the time she marries with her own quilts, cook pots, throwing knifes, butcher knives, 9 mm, car or truck, 10 gallon pickling crock, solar drier, sewing machine, tanning skills, and she better be a better shot than hubby. No use actually wounding him while making her point in a discussion. She knows who can be trusted with what, and never, ever get the cops involved in a private discussion. We like exciting women. Oh, yeah, and she better not be a la macha–she has to be all woman. The old ones tell us, no suicide of a man will bear investigation. Of course, if she’s less than complete feminine, Mommy will take her aside and talk to her. Men and women are equals, with women being a little more than equal, our better half. Strong women raise strong sons, and that’s how it works in a free society that lasted thousand of year–and it took about 43 trained soldiers for every man, woman, and child to openly defeat us in any war. Thank God for strong women who are called etsi, which also means a mother wolf. SHFT comes to shove, a far higher percentage of us will survive and even thrive than your kind.

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                  • JustMe August 26, 11:19

                    RED. Your exceptional ignorance is only exceeded by your blindness to reality. You’re so full of yourself there is no room left for any cognitive thought process to develop in your feeble little brain. You bore me to death, I will no longer entertain you with my attention. Bye bye, little girl.

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                    • red August 28, 14:15

                      Give a while. 12 is too young to pretend you’re an adult. As your writing skills are about that level…? Hmm. You never entertained anyone but the mirror you love. Certainly no one here, who you tried to drive off the site. All you are is a spoiler and doomed because of it, and have doomed everyone around you. Good luck in the 6th grade! If you ever mature enough to get there.

    • red July 26, 01:51

      Good advise, thank you! walk in beauty.

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    • The Ohio Prepper July 26, 04:14

      Trish,

      this country is always being attacked, from our own goverment to give to the rich everything under the sun and letting the other classes to starving almost, to foreign country deciding our elections and our countrys milatary.

      When Hugo Chávez started running the country back in 1998, he was duly elected; but, decided that being a socialist dictator was more his style. He nationalized much of the industry, including the petroleum extraction and refining sectors that were at the time making Venezuela one of the wealthiest countries in the region, so this did not happen overnight and was more than 20 years in the making. I don’t know the gun laws there; but, I would bet they pretty much disarm the population except perhaps the upper class who are already politically connected.
      A socialist dictatorship requires support from the wealthy and other countries, so the upper class shared in the stolen wealth and Cuba was invited in to help maintain order. in exchange for petroleum products from the now nationalized PDVSA, now a state-owned company of the Venezuelan government, previously affiliated with the Citgo Petroleum Corporation of Houston.

      These are so true to us and if we close our eyes for a minute this is what will happen to us!

      By us do you mean you in your current situation or us, the United States?

      If your under the ception ” this WON’T happen here” you are sadly mistaken if one country can do it , this can happen here!!!!

      While I would never say ”Never” the likelihood of it happening here in the United States is very low.
      We would not tolerate the government abuse like that of Venezuela and the difference in size of the country and their population make such a thing here very hard to do.
      Venezuela has a land mass of about 353,800 mi² with a population of about 32,000,000 where the USA has a land mass of 3,797,000 mi² and a population of 327,000,000, a land mass 11 times that of Venezuela with a population about 10 times; but, that land mass makes it much harder to control all but a small section at a time, and dictators and overt intervention from states like Cuba would also not be tolerated.

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      • Raven tactical July 26, 17:26

        In less than ten years the United states will vote in a socialist president and people will rejoice.

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        • The Ohio Prepper July 27, 13:38

          Raven tactical,

          In less than ten years the United states will vote in a socialist president and people will rejoice.

          I find it sad that you have such a view of all of the people of this country. We had our first attempt at the edges of socialism with BHO to be completed by HRC; but, that failed, because in the end, most people are smarter than TPTB understand. It’s the coastal elites that often ignore those in flyover country, and I for one hope they continue as the ”incorrigibles” watch their antics and vote them out of office.
          I think for any who watched and understood the recent Mueller testimony, including the remarks of some of those on the left, What they are trying to do has failed and may soon blow back in their faces, since we in flyover country are not the rubes that just do what the MSM tells us to do.

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      • red July 27, 08:31

        I beg to disagree because it has happened here and more than once. Where a few dollars or more power is involved, the neolibs see the Constitution as nothing more than toilet paper.

        Look back at jackson and 5 Tribes in the Southeast. Independent nations that the wealthy wanted gone. Even with half the government and the Supreme Court calling it a fraud and invasion of allied democratic nations, he got away with it. He had precedent with the treatment of Susquehannocks, who were ordered out of the northeast by the local states. Citizens, average Americans, treated like unwanted trash. Later, it happened again and again. Reservations were created to warehouse people on. When the wealthy wanted the land, the reservation was terminated and the people thrown off. When the repubs outlawed that, the BIA/DNC just leased every inch of reservations out from under the people. It was done to farmers in Penna, who did not want their mineral rights taken, but the rights were sold to private companies; trees mowed off for timber and mine props. Nixon ripped up illegal leases of land and rights to off-rez companies, and soon found himself in court over a couple of FBI records, but no dem was ever arrested for that, tho the clintons had something like 700 at one time, alone. Nixon had the records because of an internal enemy. the clintons were studying political enemies. Waco, TX, is a reminder, as well. Joint-Use Land, another. 9,000 Tarahumara starved to death in the 1990s, and the presses were silent because the dnc wanted it that way. You can get away with murders and soul rape, if the news media grabs ankle for you. Most will go along with it simply because they like the idea of a dictator. niio

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        • The Ohio Prepper July 27, 13:52

          Red,
          Your points are well made and understood; but, those are unfortunate isolated cases and not the entire country at once like Venezuela.
          My point is that this country is too large and diverse to take over and control all of it from a single place by a single group.
          There will always be places, like certain areas or states here that have populations who allow their lives to be controlled. New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and the PDRK cone to mind.
          For each of those however, there is a Texas, Ohio, or Tennessee where we still cherish personal freedom and accept personal responsibility.
          As an example, you’ll note that while Cannabis is still a federally restricted substance, many states have authorized it’s use for medicinal and even recreational purposes, and the feds have not taken action, and are even considering changing banking regulations to support it.
          Large groups of people trying to live together and interact have always had problems and differences; but, I think in the end, this country has done a better job than many or most from a historical perspective.

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          • red July 28, 01:00

            Not as isolated as I wish. Why did the nation turn on Native America to the point no one cared if all were wiped out? A few wealthy people and paid-for politicians plus houseboys. When thousands were starving to death in Mexico 20 years ago, where were the news media? Silent as ordered. Slavery in this nation is growing, because the news media is told it’s low-priority. You cannot stop things when the Weimar Republic takes over. You can only hope that, like with the Clintons after OK City bombing, they will not have the blind loyalty of the military. Had the military that loyalty, we’d be bowing to Emperor Coke Nose.

            What happened to Rome, to Germany, to russia, cuba, to Venezuela? Grab-ankle politicians, callous news media, and too many citizens unwilling or unable to stop things. Every state you mentioned went from powerhouse to begging for a little lube in only a very few generations. States you consider strong often went from complacent to power only because they had leaders who refused to cave into the news media and greedy individuals. We see it all the time, that if a lie is told often enough, it becomes the gospel in people’s minds. My parents called the news media social terrorists.

            This is why we’re here, on Preppers, to be a voice of sanity and to save what we can after the backstabbers sell us out. Years ago, during the cold war, I heard a retired member of the CIA say to someone who asked, how long will we have to fight? “Till we win or someone sells us out.”

            Germany wasn’t a nations of weaklings. Nor most in Europe, but now, forget them. Unless something radical happens, no more democracy and only a dark future in Sharia Law. When the KK no longer worked to force voters to the DNC, they DNC used nazis. When that at last failed, they got mental midgets to start shooting people. Then they used that for more gun control and to tighten the screws on all of us. Dems hate Native Americans for a good reason, we take notes. We went thru this crap too many times and now most of us are armed to the teeth and have a Masada attitude.

            Did you know over half of the ‘refugees’ the dnc brought in from Islamic nations are men of fighting age? Hispanics, the same. And many Hispanics are converting to Islam. A lot of asian immigrants are, as well. Dems use the ecology as a club. Most on Wall Street will vote for whoever controls the money. You don’t take a nation by storm, not one as strong as we are, but by inches. Read Lenin’s Communist Manifesto and then look at what’s going on in the US. It’s an instructions book for wannabe dictators. I wish you great success during and after SHFT and it will happen because you’re a survivor. niio

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            • The Ohio Prepper July 28, 22:59

              Red,

              Not as isolated as I wish. Why did the nation turn on Native America to the point no one cared if all were wiped out? A few wealthy people and paid-for politicians plus houseboys.

              You can also add religion. The country was available for the taking in part because of Manifest Destiny; but, this attitude predates Europeans coming to North America.
              Most have all seen the poster or T-Shirt stating: ”Kill them all, let god sort them out:”; but, this attitude goes back to Europe in the 1200’s. at the Massacre at Béziers, where Papal legate, abbot Arnaud Amalric stared ” Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.”</strong or ” Kill them. For the Lord knows those that are His own.”.
              If you were not Catholic you were a savage and need to convert or be eliminated.
              Along with manifest destiny, the natives were crude savages, who needed to be taught about property ownership and proper respect for god, or at least those on earth claiming representation.
              Islamists have that same attitude today; but, they have yet to have their Martin Luther and the needed reformation, and it is dubious to me if they ever will.

              You can only hope that, like with the Clintons after OK City bombing, they will not have the blind loyalty of the military. Had the military that loyalty, we’d be bowing to Emperor Coke Nose.

              I know many current & former police and military who are members of Oathkeepers who remember that their oath was to the US Constitution and will not likely be part of any authoritarian takeover.
              One should note that even the Chinese in 1989 at Tiananmen Square brought in troops from another region, fearing that troops from that regision would not fire on their own friends and relatives.

              What happened to Rome, to Germany, to russia, cuba, to Venezuela? Grab-ankle politicians, callous news media, and too many citizens unwilling or unable to stop things.

              There are also those who have patience, never take “NO” for an answer, and keep beating the drum for their side, up to and over the point of illegal means to thwart an election and resist a duly elected president.

              Every state you mentioned went from powerhouse to begging for a little lube in only a very few generations.

              True; but, that’s more true in some states than others, and so far Ohio is still in rather good shape, all things considered.

              We see it all the time, that if a lie is told often enough, it becomes the gospel in people’s minds. My parents called the news media social terrorists.

              That’s propaganda 101, and while it should not work in the internet age where facts may be quickly checked, apathy & laziness seem to abide. How else does the likes of Pelosi keep getting elected?

              This is why we’re here, on Preppers, to be a voice of sanity and to save what we can after the backstabbers sell us out.

              There is truth in that; but, I prefer to do my best to stop them since that will be far easier than fixing it after the fact.

              Years ago, during the cold war, I heard a retired member of the CIA say to someone who asked, how long will we have to fight? “Till we win or someone sells us out.”

              That may be true in the micro; but, in the macro, it is still a big country with individuals many of whom will not give in easily.

              Germany wasn’t a nations of weaklings. Nor most in Europe, but now, forget them. Unless something radical happens, no more democracy and only a dark future in Sharia Law.

              I think Sharia will eventually backfire on the Islamists, once their non-Muslim defenders start to become targets.

              When the KK no longer worked to force voters to the DNC, they DNC used nazis. When that at last failed, they got mental midgets to start shooting people. Then they used that for more gun control and to tighten the screws on all of us.

              I think there is some truth here.

              Dems hate Native Americans for a good reason, we take notes. We went thru this crap too many times and now most of us are armed to the teeth and have a Masada attitude.

              I don’t know about the voting record of the Native Americans; but, your mention of the ” Masada attitude” puzzles me, since all of those at the fortress of Masada committed suicide; but, if you meant Masada prior to that event, holding off a superior force under siege for a year and then not surrendering, I kind of understand. While the siege of Masada is revered by many, there are those who also think it was a typical fate of zealots unwilling to compromise.

              Did you know over half of the ‘refugees’ the dnc brought in from Islamic nations are men of fighting age? Hispanics, the same. And many Hispanics are converting to Islam. A lot of asian immigrants are, as well.

              I understand this has some truth to it and for those who do not convert, at least some are members of the international criminal gang Mara Salvatrucha (AKA MS-13) that has ”branches” in numerous large cities all over the country.

              Dems use the ecology as a club. Most on Wall Street will vote for whoever controls the money.
              You don’t take a nation by storm, not one as strong as we are, but by inches.

              And by using the Overton window that allows them to seize the moment and exploit it, never giving any inch they have taken back to their perceived opponents.

              Read Lenin’s Communist Manifesto and then look at what’s going on in the US.

              Including the part where, he states: ‘The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.’ and plenty of other examples.

              It’s an instructions book for wannabe dictators. I wish you great success during and after SHFT and it will happen because you’re a survivor. niio

              It is; but, a more recent example would be the handbook of the social democrats and progressives, “Rules for radicals” by Saul Alinsky.
              It’s kind of a new political “Art of war” and should be read and understood by everyone, as should Sun Tzu’s classic.

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  4. Sam July 25, 23:02

    I tried 3 times to order The Lost Ways Il, but I was unable to get it. Also I wanted to take the final discount and bring down down the price to some where around $44. I wanted to order the book and video combo. can you help me to do this. ???

    The Lost Wave

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  5. IvyMike July 26, 00:44

    The article reads like a report on Prepping done by a Middle School student after an evening of Googling. If the Author is real let us hear more about actual life, actual experiences, surely there is more to be learned than the wisdom of stockpiling lentils which, by the way, are a legume rather than a grain. The distinction is important.
    When I was very poor I bought lentils for 7 cents a pound and was to glad to have them. When lentil stew is cold it is solid enough that you can cut it into squares and play like you have a sandwich for lunch and that it is indeed quite tasty.

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    • The Ohio Prepper July 26, 04:23

      vyMike,

      When lentil stew is cold it is solid enough that you can cut it into squares and play like you have a sandwich for lunch and that it is indeed quite tasty.

      I do the same thing with lentils, cream of wheat, oatmeal, and corn meal. Once it is congealed and chilled it may be sliced and fried. It’s great with a little butter and syrup. Corn meal mush is actually one of my favorites and cheap to make.
      Add some bits of pork and you get scrapple, a Pennsylvania Dutch meal that wastes nothing, is tasty, and filling.

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      • left coast chuck July 26, 05:09

        Not just the PA Dutch. Scrapple was a breakfast staple in our household. While we lived in PA, it wasn’t in the Amish country. Scrapple was sold in all the grocery stores, so it wasn’t just the PA Dutch and my family.

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        • The Ohio Prepper July 27, 15:21

          left coast chuck,

          Not just the PA Dutch. Scrapple was a breakfast staple in our household. While we lived in PA, it wasn’t in the Amish country. Scrapple was sold in all the grocery stores, so it wasn’t just the PA Dutch and my family.

          I grew up in western PA, Johnstown, famous for its floods and once famous for its steel mills, far from Amish country; but, Scrapple, Mush, Liver (& Onions), and Head Cheese were commonly available in all of the markets.
          Here in Ohio all you can find is mush; but, it’s in the little plastic tubes, so we make our own. It’s no harder to make than oatmeal and I still like the stuff.
          Sliced, fried and covered in butter & syrup or jam us a good quick breakfast.

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          • left coast chuck July 29, 02:05

            Ohio: Liver and onions, (gagging sounds). That particular dish was responsible for many dinner table battles in the home I grew up in. Other people actually ate that? As a kid I thought it was something vile my mother whipped up to punish me. To the best of my knowledge I have never eaten head cheese and hope to remain in that category.

            Those dishes are mainly the dishes of the poor who rarely had meat unless it was the cuts usually rejected by anyone with a tad more money. True they were common in farming communities, but for most of history, farming has been a hard scrabble occupation. Yes, great wealth has been accumulated through farming, but for the biggest majority of farmers, they lived one bad harvest from disaster.

            On a slightly different note, there are two books recently written by survivors of end of the world scenarios. One is written by an Argentine who talks about his experiences in Argentina following the first devaluation of the Argentine peso.

            The other was written by a survivor of the genocide/fratricide in the former Yugoslavia. It is a very dark book.

            They are both out on loan. As soon as I am able to retrieve them, I will post the names of the books and of the authors so that anyone interested in a first-hand description of life post EOTW can read the same. The book about life in the former Yugoslavia is very dark which is to be expected. The author is still suffering from PTSD.

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            • red July 29, 05:59

              Story goes, a farm girl married a man from the city and moved there with him. Years went by and no matter what she cooked, it was always the same, “It’s tough. It’s dry. What is it?” One day her brother showed up with rabbits he caught and she made an old favorite, fried rabbit. At dinner, she took the same BS and gave them a gentle smile, and said, “Oh, the cat. He was looking poorly lately. Wast not want not!” Husband and kids just stared a moment. Then the cat comes out of the kitchen to beg for a bite. After that, no one dared complain.

              Liver and gag is right. But, when we butchered, we ate it till all of us kids wanted to join a monastery just to fast till the toxins were out of our taste buds. But, braunschweiger, liverwurst, liver pudding, chopped liver, those are good.

              Farmers live from one tax-us-dry to the next. Dr. Carver, Alabama U, said nearly a century ago, get the black back in the soil and farmers will again be wealthy, as they were generations ago. Taxes and regulations, bank loans, having to sell whole sale and buy retail damaged too many. Now, people are refusing to buy the chemicals and going natural. If they make enough profit, they might go organic, but it’s not worth the costs the governments piled on it. Look up Gabe Brown, who started out a city man who married the ranch. His father-in-law farmed 1,200 acres outside Bismark, ND, and for the first three years Brown and his wife farmed, he lost the crop. The soil was so poor, the crops withered or were blasted by hail and couldn’t recover. 30 years after going with no-till and covers, he’s out of debt, has over 5,000 acres, and more than well-to-do, just by following the advice handed down to us by Dr. Carver and others. “What was old, is new.” And, Be quick on the brain (in aggie) or be quickly dead. There’s no reason someone in aggie should be poor, unless they love Pres. Carter’s playbook, sell cheap and buy dear. niio

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              • The Ohio Prepper July 29, 10:51

                Red,

                Liver and gag is right. But, when we butchered, we ate it till all of us kids wanted to join a monastery just to fast till the toxins were out of our taste buds. But, braunschweiger, liverwurst, liver pudding, chopped liver, those are good.

                Liver and gag means you’ve not had it prepared the way I prepare it, especially if you like Braunschweiger & liverwurst. My liver is nice and soft; but, cooked well enough without being shoe leather and my onions are just soft but not mushy.
                Growing up my family bought beef by the quarter and hogs by the half and there were always extra sweetbreads that others didn’t want. That’s our gain and their loss IMHO.
                We split an Angus last year with two other families. We took half; but, the others wanted none of the good meats like liver, tongue, and heart, so we get several extra meals and snacks from that extra meat.

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                • red July 30, 04:46

                  When I cook liver, it’s chopped liver. Pancreas and other things are chopped up for menudo stew but can be used in anything made of liver. Extra intestines were cured, then boiled and wrapped around a stick to slow-roast of hot coals. Souse, yeah, got some in the fridge now. Any bones or meat to make it, but pork is standard. The tinda down in Mammoth has some of the best pickled pigs feet I ever ate. I usually want cider vinegar or rice wine vinegar in them, not white vinegar, but these are good. Niio means to walk in God’s beauty. niio

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                  • The Ohio Prepper July 30, 07:38

                    Red,

                    When I cook liver, it’s chopped liver. Pancreas and other things are chopped up for menudo stew but can be used in anything made of liver.

                    I also use pancreas in stew; but, heart and tongue are excellent slow roasted and sliced since they are muscles.
                    Liver requires some care; but, can be prepared to be soft and taste a lot like liverwurst with onions.
                    1. Slice into thin pieces.
                    2. Put a small amount of oil in a skillet and get it hot.
                    3. Lay the liver in the oil for a few seconds and then flip over to sear and seal both sides.
                    4. Set the liver aside
                    5. Turn down the heat
                    6. Put the onions in the skillet with the leftover oil and liver bits / juice.
                    7. Drop in the onions and stir until they start to get soft.
                    8. Lay the liver on top of the onions and cover.
                    9. Simmer for a while to allow the liver to firm up using the steam from the onions.
                    10. This cooks the liver thoroughly but, allows it to still be soft and edible.
                    11. Hot liverwurst and onions

                    Extra intestines were cured, then boiled and wrapped around a stick to slow-roast of hot coals.

                    As a kid I learned how to turn them inside out, wash & scrape, then use them as a ”natural casing” for making various kinds of sausage.

                    Souse, yeah, got some in the fridge now. Any bones or meat to make it, but pork is standard.

                    I was told that the name head cheese comes from cleaning off most of the skin and hair from a hogs head, and then boiling until every piece of edible “meat” came loose into the water. Strain the mixture through cheesecloth and allow the mixture that contains a lot of natural gelatin to congeal. Slice & eat.
                    People unwilling to eat or at least try something like this will be in bad shape in a real EOTW situation where they may have to eat worse than this, as I have done in training.

                    The tinda down in Mammoth has some of the best pickled pigs feet I ever ate. I usually want cider vinegar or rice wine vinegar in them, not white vinegar, but these are good.

                    I’m not sure what vinegar is used in the ones I’ve eaten; but, pig’s feet, like BBQ ribs do require patience to get at all of the meat, as do lobsters. LOL

                    Niio means to walk in God’s beauty. niio

                    That I think I understand. I’ve often spent hour’s deer hunting, and although some days I never saw a deer (close enough), walking to the blind or stand and then sitting still until the wildlife around me starts to stir again, for me at least, is spiritual.
                    Niio indeed!!!

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                    • red July 30, 10:46

                      Still getting the gag reflex 🙂 But, I have to try it. To make chopped liver. Simmer liver with a little water and one chopped onion. Liver should be pink inside when done. Break one egg in the water and when it’s cooked and cooled enough, put it all in food processor with one stick butter, black pepper, a little garlic. We like it with corn chips.

                      Butchers say, every animal comes with enough casing to make it into sausage. But, there’s always plenty because no one uses all the meat for that. If roasting casings in the oven, cut into small pieces and pre-cook in some water, then roast. Larger casing, like the veil from beef skirt steak, was used to cover arrow quivers. It wasn’t cured, but can be hung in smoke to dry after being put on the quiver. They were also used to paint on because they did not need to be stretched; it dries very stiff but will not shrink.

                      Tienda, small store, not tinda, excuse me.

                      Tongue roasted is better than boiled. Tastes like dark turkey meat 🙂

                      Yeah, that’s headcheese. When doing souse, we put in pickled peppers, yellow and red, to give it some color and better taste. When feeling extravagant, we use pigs feet to make it. The heads we gave away to family in the city. niio adohiyi, walk in beauty in the place of Father (God’s) peace (forest 🙂

            • The Ohio Prepper July 29, 10:37

              left coast chuck,

              Ohio: Liver and onions, (gagging sounds). That particular dish was responsible for many dinner table battles in the home I grew up in.

              I actually like the stuff when I get to cook it, I never order it when eating out, since most of the time it is indistinguishable from onion flavored shoe leather.

              Other people actually ate that?

              I’m one of those other people and also like it’s cousins like liverwurst.

              As a kid I thought it was something vile my mother whipped up to punish me.

              LOL. Kids can be like that; but, the key is knowing how to cook it and I know how to cook it well enough I’ve converted more than a few to like it, including my wife.

              To the best of my knowledge I have never eaten head cheese and hope to remain in that category.

              It’s basically like a spiced clear gelatin with pieces of meat, and is something else I like. The turn off for some is that the meat could be pig’s feet, ears, or tongue; but, our pioneer ancestors wasted nothing and ate everything but the squeal.

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              • The Ohio Prepper July 31, 01:37

                Red,

                To make chopped liver. Simmer liver with a little water and one chopped onion. Liver should be pink inside when done. Break one egg in the water and when it’s cooked and cooled enough, put it all in food processor with one stick butter, black pepper, a little garlic. We like it with corn chips.

                If you like the liver pink inside, that means you like the flavor, and you should like my way of making liver and onions.
                This recipe BTW sounds great and we will be trying it soon.

                Butchers say, every animal comes with enough casing to make it into sausage. But, there’s always plenty because no one uses all the meat for that.

                True. Also, most animals, especially deer, come with enough brains to tan their own hide. I’ve done that a few times and the fleshing is really tedious to get it right.

                If roasting casings in the oven, cut into small pieces and pre-cook in some water, then roast.

                We’ve always just turned them inside out, cleaned & boiled. Once they are stuffed, then you can do the real cooking by whatever method you choose.

                Larger casing, like the veil from beef skirt steak, was used to cover arrow quivers. It wasn’t cured, but can be hung in smoke to dry after being put on the quiver.

                I’ve not done this; but, have used sinew to attach arrowheads to shafts. Took a class at Flint Ridge many years ago, where over a weekend I knapped flint and built a passable Atlatl.

                Tienda, small store, not tinda, excuse me.

                Thanks since Google shows tinda as an “Indian squash”, “Indian round gourd”, “apple gourd”, or “Indian baby pumpkin”. In this case, Indian means persons from the Indian subcontinent.
                Tienda OTOH just returns Store or Shop.

                Tongue roasted is better than boiled. Tastes like dark turkey meat

                I agree and the same for the heart which makes sense since both are Striated muscles.

                Yeah, that’s headcheese. When doing souse, we put in pickled peppers, yellow and red, to give it some color and better taste. When feeling extravagant, we use pigs feet to make it.

                I guess growing up I had both, since I remember some being sourer than others; but, we used the names interchangeably.

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                • Miss Kitty August 1, 02:36

                  Beef heart also makes an excellent stew. Cut bite sized, add a can of diced tomatoes and the juice, water to cover, herbs and spices, etc. Simmer til meat is just tender, add veggies. Like pot roast, the key is long, slow simmering and a bit of acid in the water, in this case the tomatoes. You can put a bit of vinegar, lemon, or wine in the water if you don’t have or like tomatoes. Salt before serving.

                  I make chopped liver with chicken livers, and I substitute applesauce for the added fat most recipes call for. Curry powder, pepper, lots of garlic and onion.Brown the spices, livers, garlic and onion in butter, put livers in saucepan,add water to cover and simmer until done. Strain out, reserve liquid. Add reserved butter, onions, etc. Mash well, still hot. Add two to four T applesauce, bread crumbs and some of the cooking broth and riced hard boiled egg. Mix thoroughly. Adjust to the consistency you want by adding crumbs or broth – thickens as it cools. Taste and adjust seasonings. Pack firmly into containers. I usually make it a thick, spreadable liverwurst consistency.
                  Now I’m hungry! 😉

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      • red July 27, 08:41

        Panhass, is liver or meat simmered till tender. black pepper and anything else you like it in. Mix cornmeal with cold water, add to pan. cook till the meal is done, chill, slice and fry. Good eating. It’s a common recipe with most folks in northern and eastern Europe. Mush is different, from plain polenta to the ‘fancy’ stuff. Add jelly to it when cooking. Jam or roasted peppers, sugar, fruit. leftover roasted or fried meat. Very versatile. Chili stuffed chilis, a little cornmeal into the chili, fill peppers, and roast them with tomato juice and spices, leaving the top inch of pepper showing to roast and sweeten the sauce. 45 minutes at 350 degrees. That’s a meal! niio

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      • Maybell August 2, 16:25

        I’m very sorry my article is middme-school like… I am real and that is a real situation.
        The first picture is actually in the Hospital I work when we didn’t have electricity.
        I only wanted to emphasize the fact that in a country with one of the largest reserves of oil, we are now storaging water and eating lentils.
        Thank you for the feedback. I’ll try to improve

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    • left coast chuck July 26, 05:13

      Perhaps, Mike, the language usage might be due to English being a second language. I can sort of communicate in two other languages but I am sure that my skill level is not quite junior high level.

      On a brighter level I can order beer in five languages, even French.

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  6. The Ohio Prepper July 26, 05:14

    Maybel,
    It’s interesting to see how others may have to be forced to learn the lessons we all practice and know so well.

    There is no such thing as “too much” stored water
    I’m not sure you have to have it ”stored” per se.; but, should have it readily available. In our case we have a good well, a creek, several close ponds, rain catchment, along with buckets of water and cases of drinking water. You need to be able to flush toilets and have some method to make water potable, all easy to do when planned ahead of time.
    Grains are my friends
    We have several hundred pounds of various grains; but, one also needs to know how to prepare them. A hand operated grain mill is a necessity; but, knowing how to sprout and having the equipment for that is also good to have ahead of time.

    Lentils are grains that are easy to store, non-perishable, and high in protein. Together with a cereal like rice, they make a complete meal that keeps us well-nourished and in good health.

    The only unique thing about lentils is that they may be more easily cooked and eaten than other beans, like navy or kidney; but, nearly any bean and rice combination will provide a complete protein.

    Let there be light: candles, matches, flashlights, and batteries

    The lack of electricity can lead to a state of anguish that grows with the passage of time. It is important to do everything possible to minimize that effect.

    One needs to keep in mind the multiple rules of three when in a situation like this, since you can perish after only:
    1. 3 seconds without a plan
    2. 3 minutes without air
    3. 3 hours without shelter
    4. 3 days without water
    5. 3 weeks without food
    6. 3 months without hope
    I’m not especially afraid of the dark; but, always have at least one flashlight on me at all times, and others available when in the house or an outbuilding.

    Be prepared with medicines, but it’s better to learn from nature
    That learning and at least some stockpiling needs to be done well ahead of time, since the medicinal plants you need may not be available all of the time.

    Cash

    When there is an electrical fault, despite the fact that light and other electrical services have been restored already, the digital communication of the points of purchase become so affected that it is impossible to buy anything in this way.

    We always have a good amount on hand; but, with no power, many stores still cannot sell you anything, since items normally have UPC codes with no prices, and many registers have little cash to make change. Perhaps best for a bartering type situation.

    Take advantage of any time you get to replace supplies
    That’s always a good thing and I suspect most on this forum already know it.

    The most important thing I learned was to be prepared for when an SHTF situation strikes again.

    SHTF can mean a lot of things that upset your life, so this should not be a lesson; but, a lifestyle.

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    • Maybell August 2, 16:32

      Thank you very much for the feedback. Is really my first time in this situation.
      The reason I talk about lentils is becsuse of the amount of protein in this product which is comparable to an animal protein.

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  7. The Ohio Prepper July 26, 05:19

    In short, this article shows us what the English philosopher Thomas Hobbes understood some 400 years ago.
    “Life outside society would be ‘solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.”

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    • Justme July 26, 17:33

      “Life outside society would be solitary, poor, nasty,brutish and short”.

      Yet today in Alaska, Canadian provinces and in isolated areas of the lower 48 we have people living in isolation from society who flourish, live long lives and are solitary by choice. Hobbes lived a privileged life surrounded by the privileged class, knows nothing about survival or life away from an urban area, yet you laud his faulty insight on mans ability to not just survive but to make a long rewarding life in the wilderness. To a survivor Hobbes only provides one benefit. His book would make a good fire starter.

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      • The Ohio Prepper July 27, 15:07

        Justme,

        Yet today in Alaska, Canadian provinces and in isolated areas of the lower 48 we have people living in isolation from society who flourish, live long lives and are solitary by choice.
        Don’t forget Hawaii.
        Hobbes lived a privileged life surrounded by the privileged class, knows nothing about survival or life away from an urban area, yet you laud his faulty insight on mans ability to not just survive but to make a long rewarding life in the wilderness. To a survivor Hobbes only provides one benefit. His book would make a good fire starter.

        Everything you say here is correct and I agree and practice most of it on a rural property as do many of the local Amish; but, what you are forgetting is the context.
        My response and application of his quote was in regard to the context of this article: ”I Lived In A Post-SHTF World For 3 Years, And This Is What I Learned.”, where a ”privileged” urban doctor with no previous survival skills or attitude lives in that brutish world and learns to survive as many in our own cities would learn, as the examples of Katrina survivors and others have demonstrated.
        Context is always important.

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    • red July 27, 22:36

      yes! Psychologists bear this out. Thank you for the post. niio

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      • The Ohio Prepper July 28, 03:15

        Red,
        You often use the acronym ”niio”.
        I am unfamiliar with it and my searches don’t show anything that makes sense.
        Definition please?
        Just curious.

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        • red July 29, 03:33

          And you claim to live in Ohio, AKA Beautiful Lake? Fer shame. niio–walk in (God’s) beauty. Tell a Native American that and if he doesn’t grin and wish you well, he’s a stands-around-the-fort, trashy, or a plastic shamen, a fake. niio!

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          • The Ohio Prepper July 29, 11:11

            Red,

            And you claim to live in Ohio, AKA Beautiful Lake? Fer shame. niio–walk in (God’s) beauty. Tell a Native American that and if he doesn’t grin and wish you well, he’s a stands-around-the-fort, trashy, or a plastic shamen, a fake. niio!

            Thanks for the definition or at least the hint that helped Google find something of value. As I understand it the state takes its name from the Ohio River, whose name in turn originated from the Seneca word ohiːyo’, (“great river” or “large creek”).

            Giving Google a hint with: ”Native American niio” immediately returned.

            Niioieren “Niio” Perkins is a Mohawk Bear Clan artist from Akwesasne, New York, an American Indian territory that runs along the Saint Lawrence river .
            Prior to adding that hint, Google returned things like:

            • NIIO New International Information Order
            • NIIO National Iranian Industries Organization
            • NIIO Notify-Identify-Inspect-Observe (Tucson, AZ)
            And: “A 70,000 t/y PVC plant, to cost $226m, with the state-owned NIIO as the partner of NPC.”

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            • red July 30, 04:58

              I got into it once with an anthropologist about the word susquehanna. He claimed it means muddy river. I said it comes from susos kanona, corn moon, and that’s were my ancestors got their name, Susquehannock. Oh, no, it means muddy river. No, I said, the term comes from my language. He got all flustered and walked off. an elderly cousin of one grandfather’s said, “That’s why we never talk to them people. they already know it all.” Wyoming means Wolf’s Sacred (beautiful) House, but try to tell that to them 🙂 Wyoming was settled by metis and full-bloods kicked out of PA by the dems. Ohio is in this, Beautiful river. As Grampa was Seneca Susos Kanona ki! 🙂 http://www.sacred-texts.com/nam/iro/parker/cohl167.htm niio

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  8. left coast chuck July 30, 01:54

    If you would like to see what the country would look like after an EOTW event all you have to do is look at what the City of Angels (Los Angeles) has become with the constant pandering to bums. The brain dead voters even voted a tax on themselves to establish another bureaucracy to “cure the homeless problem.” It is expected to raise billions of dollars to “cure the homeless problem.”

    Tonight on the 6:00 pm news we were treated to an aerial display from a drone of bum encampments in the River of the Angels (LA River). At the cost of billions, the sewer formerly known as the LA River was cleaned up and many stretches were replanted with native riverine plants. The water was clear and clean once again. It became a recreation area for boating, running, just plain walking and bicycling. Fast forward to 2019. The river once again is polluted with feces, urine, garbage, trash and who knows what else with the encampments of bums along what billions had been spent on to clean up.

    Personally, I preferred the days when the cops took bums to the city limits, explained what they could expect, with physical demonstrations, if the bums were found inside city limits again.

    We are not talking about folks who are living in campers and cars and working but can’t afford first and last month’s rent, security deposit, deposit on utilities and the minimum required to move one’s gear into a rental. We are talking about drug addicts, alcoholics, drug dealers who lose themselves among the other bums, criminals on the lam whatever dregs of society you can imagine you will find in the encampments that line the streets, parks and other areas of LosAngeles.

    How can they live you might ask? Well, in order to reduce the unemployment roles to make the economy look stronger than it actually was, during the reign of a recent president, the requirements to qualify for Supplemental Social Security (Disability Social Security) the standards were lowered. Self-induced alcoholism, drug addiction and a variety of other degrees of just plain laziness were suddenly “disability”. Voila!! Unemployment is down. But behind the scenes disability payments were way up. In order to qualify for SSI one merely must work ten quarters. That 2.5 years folks. It doesn’t require full time employment either. Two and a half years working part time at McD’s will qualify you for a life-time pension of $885.00 per month. Sure you can’t live on it, but with panhandling and drug sales, plus free phones (what to call their stockbroker?) free medical, EBT cards and handouts by every bleeding heart organization, if you aren’t too picky, you can get by nicely.

    Why does California have so many bums along the coast? Well, the high today in my city of refuge was 74°. In Bakersfield it was 108°. Tonight it will be a low of 64°. Bakersfield will be a low of about 85°. Now suppose you were living on the streets and could choose where you wanted to live. Where would it be? That is such a rhetorical question it doesn’t need an answer.

    San Francisco, what used to be called Bagdad by the Bay by a local newspaper writer back in the 50s and 60s when SFO truly was a magical city has an app that tells you on your cell phone what streets to avoid today, you know, the ones that are covered in human feces. Handy to have that app if you are planning on visiting SFO. Don’t want to get caught on gummy shoe street. SFO has spent a large sum of money to have porta-potties in public areas so that the bums don’t have to poop on the streets, but who wants to walk a block and a half when it is so much easier to just poop in the doorway of the storekeeper who is paying taxes to pay for the porta-potties.

    So if you want to see what the end of the world will look like, try to get that drone overlook. I am sure it is already on U-tube or some other media site.

    After the end of the world, the old time way of explaining things to bums may once again be in vogue.

    I know. I am a terrible person. You don’t need to tell me. No humanity. No sense of tender feelings for folks who are just down on their luck. I acknowledge it. So if you are outraged at my judgmental attitude toward our luckless fellow man, just keep it to yourself.

    I will now pick up my soapbox and steal away into the night.
    But here in the good Ole Ewe Ess of A, when TSHTF, the west coast and to some extent the other coasts will be the worst slum man has ever imagined. It’s almost that way now and at last glance the rest of the world hasn’t ended.

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    • red July 30, 05:00

      kali fornia, a deadly viper named fornia. Some of us would like to get ICE to patrol the Colorado River to stop refugees from kali from flooding Arizona. 🙂

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    • The Ohio Prepper August 1, 03:40

      left coast chuck,,

      So if you want to see what the end of the world will look like, try to get that drone overlook. I am sure it is already on U-tube or some other media site.

      I know you may be a bit biased in your thoughts due to your location; but, there is one big difference, between your description and what the end of the world will look like in the Free states. The rest of us will be armed and able to hold off the bums. The bias I suspect is based on your thought process on firearms, since things we take for granted may simply be out of reach and therefore out ofmind on the left coast.

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      • red August 1, 06:36

        I can’t blame LCC at all. We get snowbirds in winter, but most of them leave by March. Arizona doesn’t pay to have them stay as in Kali. Not even tucson and that can be a very liberal area. When living in the northeast, we had summer ‘visitors’ from May till October, often quite a few, who camped out in pubic wilderness parks.But, a lot of locals did that as well. But nothing like Kali has forced on her. I wouldn’t call LCC biased, not on this. These aren’t free people like I met from New York to Mexico, people who refuse to be tired down, but work for a living. These people LCC talks of think it’s a right to live as they want, on handouts and from what I saw, most are violent. Anything goes, and the cops are helpless to stop it. niio

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  9. red July 30, 05:09

    But, justyou, you were the one to start this. Think about that.

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  10. IvyMike July 31, 23:50

    One of these days we’ll stop dropping bombs on Al Queda and start dropping bums on them instead.
    I want to say I hate liver, then I remember how much I love Boudain. Boudain might be the best thing in the world.

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    • Miss Kitty August 1, 02:50

      Did you ever watch the TV series “WKRP in Cincinnati”?
      There was one Thanksgiving episode that featured a disastrous turkey give away. If you’ve seen it, you know what I mean.
      I just had a mental picture of the “bum drop” you mentioned – LOL!

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