5 Bad-ass Perimeter Defense Lessons From A Vietnam Vet

Mahatma Muhjesbude
By Mahatma Muhjesbude December 28, 2015 13:17

5 Bad-ass Perimeter Defense Lessons From A Vietnam Vet

by Mahatma Muhjesbude

Thank God you made it to your rural bug out location (BOL)! You almost didn’t get out in time before the Police State Metropolis you lived in had their National Guard soldiers shut down all further mass exodus from the quarantined city, with shoot to kill Iraqi War style road blocks on the last exits that weren’t already blocked by panicked mobs and burning piled up car crashes.

You get out of your bug out vehicle (BOV) and kneel down for a moment on the cool green forest ground in a soon to get very hot world, and give solemn thanks that you were granted the presence of mind and discipline to have your BOV ready to rock at a moment’s notice.

You will miss a few of the friends and neighbors you know you’ll never see again, and you’ll feel sorry for those who were trapped in their normalcy bias comfort zone and ignored the ominous but clear warnings. You will pray for them the first chance you get but right now you have another serious problem.

Beware of “Zombiez”!

You pulled ahead of the general Mad Max road rage on the Interstate and traffic finally thinned out considerably as you branched out to the county highways.

You started passing more and more stalled out of gas vehicles off the side of the road, now looted out, and deceased looking, with shot out windows and bullet holes in the doors. You noticed small groups of stragglers marching off the shoulder of the roads carrying their military grade weapons and back packs with grim desperate looks on their faces.

These were the ones who never cared about prepping. They had a different kind of survival plan. They were out ambushing, murdering, looting, and ravaging those who didn’t prepare their vehicles well for escape.

A couple of them raised their weapons to draw a bead on your vehicle as you floored it and screamed passed at over 90 miles an hour but they never had a chance for a good shot. You then had that sickening, kicked-in-the-gut feeling as you realized it was going to get really ugly, really fast.

You hoped your secluded location would minimize marauding this “zombie” contact and that you would have enough time to make last minute adjustments, and finishing touches to your dedicated compound perimeter security before you hunkered down and sweated out the inevitable anarchy looming on the distant horizon…

Reality Check!

Although different catastrophic/emergency and disaster events require different strategies and appropriate levels of preparation, they all share a single concept.

Security. Security, defense, and personal safety measures also span different levels of preparation effort and expense.

There is a lot of info out there now on urban home invasions and spontaneous concentrated urban rioting and looting, and how to protect and fortify your house from a break in.

This is a good idea in any case even before an apocalyptic scenario, and the harder and more time consuming you make it for a predator to attack and invade your city home or apartment the better the odds they’ll get caught at the door by police. Or give you time to escape at another egress or ‘gun-up’ in defensive counter attack mode behind some concealment/cover and take them out ambush style as they break in.

But in a doomsday scenario such as a major power grid collapse, sudden universal economic collapse, or super bad disease outbreak, there won’t BE any Police response, at least not for you. Fortifying your home’s doors and windows and stocking up on a few weeks’ worth of extra food and water won’t help you that much in the long run.

The first myth is that you can survive in place relatively easy if you read certain books. That might work through a hurricane, super blizzard, or local power outage that traps people for many days, but not in an all pervasive major social and economic, and resource breakdown that would last months and even years. This is an entirely different prep than surviving in place strategies. Do not make the mistake of not realizing the difference.

In the worst case SHTF event, you must be as isolated as you can from congested metropolitan areas if you want any chance for safety and survival. Period. Because sooner or later desperate and extremely psycho dangerous “zombies” will target your urban dwelling place and get through your home fortifications one way or another, and kill you, or burn you out.

Almost any house can be breached and broken into by determined attackers given enough time if there’s no worry about police showing up on the scene and the occupant/defender’s name is anything other than Rambo. And I don’t mean days, but more like only a few siege hours.

Even brick houses with bars or steel break in shades like you see on business storefronts in high risk areas. And if you somehow manage to kill them before they get in the first time, there will just be another group, even scarier, right after that in most large urban environments. That’s the reality.

Bug Out and Live!

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“Okay, I’m ready to work on the perimeter!”

The best way to initially survive a worst case scenario is to NOT to be around anything for very long that can kill you. Then remaining low profile if not completely secluded off the predator radar and out of targeting sight. Because why would anybody of sound mind, except in certain unfortunate personal circumstances, want to stay in a burning high rise hoping the sprinkler system will work when they could take the emergency exit out immediately?

So bugging out should be your primary plan. And the only place to go is out in the rural areas where contact with others is as limited as possible along with minimal profile footprint concealment. Once you’ve attained that, then the next part is making sure the “zombies” can’t just easily take it all away from you if they do stumble upon your hideout.

If you chose a decent BOL, some professionals with experience in this think it’s easier and more advantageous to your safety and security to make a virtually impenetrable perimeter barrier around your dwelling than it would be to seriously fortify a house/apartment in the city or town.

The factual truth is that these types of bad human relations as violent social conflicts have been going on since Biblical times and always contain certain elements. It always boils down to attackers and defenders. Fortified compounds, camps or castles, and superior firepower and tactics which change the advantage and even the whole game.

5 Lessons to Learn from Vietnam About Perimeter Defense

The art of this type of social warfare evolved to a stagnation point during the Middle Ages and then became obsolete during the evolution of the military industrial complex and modern world warfare that included airpower and massive tank warfare. It was not revisited and perfected until the mid-20th century, in a small country police action in a faraway country called Viet Nam.

Ironically, as I draw from personal empirical knowledge and on the job experience and historic record on the comparisons and similarities, the best paradigm for survival perimeter combat preparedness comes from the Vietnam war, both when the French and the Americans were fighting it.

The lessons learned and strategies and tactics ultimately deployed became so refined and successful they remained in military application even to the modern Afghanistan war, and American mountain base camps and varies only due to advanced technology in weaponry and early anti-intrusion detection.

The Viet Nam conflict draws parallels similar to apocalyptic anarchy because political perspective notwithstanding, the typical American defenders hunkered down in camp compounds and defended against mainly ground forces who won‘t have air or naval power or sophisticated precision electronic detection or aiming technology.

The Viet Nam ground war was relatively primitive terms of force multipliers and its success, or lack of it, depended mostly upon small unit engagement with relatively basic weaponry.

Amazingly, today this type of fortification can be replicated on a smaller civilian but equally effective outcome on the private BOL compound today, and in a couple tactical applications, even better! Obviously the scale of enhanced force would be somehow different but the essential principles of applied dynamics and what works best are the same.

Here’s how to get started in the simplest, least expensive way.

1. Local Threat Evaluation

A combination of the likelihood of indigenous harmful contact and the random plain view discovery level of your BOL determine the odds of you getting approached by marauding “zombs”.

If they can’t see you from any road, there simply is not that much of a chance of many roaming predators getting into your area, because most of the area is inhabited by good people, more exposed than you but pretty self-reliant and well-armed, and they would pro-actively interfere with any groups of predators before they would ever get to your neck of the woods. So the likelihood of your BOL getting hit is very low.

Setting up a protective live defense perimeter barrier would virtually guarantee your long term survival of the rare one time attack if that happens, because almost any well prepared and armed prepper will have enough firepower, ammo and resources on hand to handle that. That is opposed to a long duration regular siege and total destruction type environment that would be common in anarchy ruled urban environments.

2. Barrier Protection

What does the Great Wall of China, the Berlin Wall, 13th century castle walls and other heavy barriers have in common? Walls are the most difficult obstacles to penetrate or breach by humans without heavy destructive equipment, but they also are the most expensive.

If your intruder simply can’t move forward and gain access to you in your inner protective shelter without getting stopped one way or another by formidable outside barrier, then your perimeter security succeeded and you survived. That’s why it’s better to have an outside perimeter circle of defense rather than allow them to get too close to your main retreat.

Again, the Vietnam War proved beyond doubt that you don’t need a castle or great solid wall to get the job done. There are other, even better ways…

3. Perimeter Alarms

Aka anti-intrusion alerts and early warning devices. In Nam, we used anything and everything for perimeter alert from our empty beer and soda cans filled with pebbles, to the latest state of the art (at the time) forward terrain radar units and seismic ground sensors spread out even beyond the perimeter along with trip flares, and booby trapped grenades, and of course a healthy amount of pre-positioned Claymore mines if some of the attackers somehow get too far into the perimeter kill zone.

IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING you can easily replicate most of that with modern electronic battery operated noise alerts either with PIR detection triggers or pull pin type trip wire activation along with careful use of pyrotechnics, or both. There are pros and cons with each, mostly depending upon if you have a lot of animals especially deer in your area.

Pyrotechnics are a very good tried and true method of alert and can be enhanced to perform double duty as a shock deterrent ONLY IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. The old saying is that there are only two types of pyromaniac powder monkeys: those who are already missing some fingers or eyeballs, and those that are getting ready to.

The other thing is the potential forest fire hazards if you live in a dry area especially if you are using the trip flares, instead of a flash bang alert.

There’s also the legality factor. Most states have strict laws on the amount of powder you can legally shoot off in a non-commercial/professional display personal firework. I believe the max is an ounce of retort/bang powder that you can shoot off or purchase without a commercial license. But check it for yourself before trying anything else!


Plus, if the DNR is snooping around your land and you made an oversized flash bang on a trip wire that damaged his eardrums that will become cause for arrest.

I know there is advice out there on how to booby-trap your doorways but I seriously don’t recommend doing that with anything that can kill or maim (stick with loud siren alerts or flashing lights only) because not only is it illegal virtually everywhere, but it will be only a matter of time before you yourself or someone you care about trips the booby-trap.

And I strongly recommend that you don’t get into that with common store bought fireworks, which could easily blind or burn an innocent victim or start your house on fire.

On a perimeter defense, the common larger over the counter fireworks like the bursting skyrockets and rapid fire mortar tube clusters pre-loaded shooting and bursting shells could be used just to wake up the group of invaders.

The burst charges are not black powder loaded, but contain the silver flash powder which provides a potentially dangerous hyperbaric close concussive effect even in only a cardboard tube with the legal maximum amount of powder.

Again, these are legal to own, but you can’t shoot them at people without getting into trouble. Just like guns.

But in an all-out lawless society where nothing will be adjudicated anymore in any system but God’s court after you’re dead, these are formidable perimeter counter attack devices because they also can be enhanced for maximum damage and launched on demand electronically from a secure rear position or even tripped by wire.

So it wouldn’t hurt to stock up on these because they’re legal and fun on the 4th, and would definitely come in handy on a doomsday “holiday” as well, both as an alert and force deterrent out to a hundred meters or so. Like shooting mini-RPGs and a mini grenade launcher barrage on egress/entry routes backed up by hidden wireless security cameras, which now can reach distances out to five hundred meters or better.

But if you are just getting started, stick with the pull pin or PIR battery security sound alert/alarm devices.


You’ll immediately get why I caution you on this after your nephew or YOU forgot about it while out squirrel hunting, trip it yourself creating embarrassing Hershey Squirts in your under drawers, and your children or grandchildren will laugh at you mercilessly.

You absolutely need a lot of training and experience before you start playing with things that go bang. After you think you are safely proficient with the mind set of perimeter security devices, you can graduate yourself and augment to the trip wire re-loadable retort devices like the 12 ga. shotgun shell blaster.


These are on the internet for about $40. They can take a shotgun shell right out of the box but these don’t work well because it is designed to be used with a barrel.

By itself it just pop bursts not even loudly below the shot/slug, and doesn’t even become any shrapnel because the powder is a slow burning type and it just splits the sides. Waste of good ammo. But you can get louder blank shells and commercial screaming flares and loud bangers from specialty ammo vendors on line. Pricey but very effective alert and deterrent effect.

There are also other good and even cheaper percussive devices that use only .22 caliber blanks, shotgun primers, or the nail gun blanks which also work decently on a lesser scale.

4. Perimeter Intrusion Obstructions

Of course a high chain link or barbed wire fence always helps slow down people you don’t want coming in on your property, but these are easy to breach if you are a good climber or have a pair of wire cutters.

You can make it look like a FEMA prison camp and it will feel like one also, but it won’t do much good against anything but animals maybe, unless you electrify it, and I don’t mean horse/cattle fence. I mean you’ll need sizzling frying high amp prison fence to stop “zombs” using only a fence. Not to mention it will be pretty obvious to passers-by unless you camo paint it or something.

The next best thing is pyramids of concertina type barbed/razor wire rolls. Harder to breach without having heavier tarps or plywood which “zombs” certainly won’t have in their back packs. Easy to set up.

Or, you can do it cheaper and less labor intensive with something that worked so well in the Nam that we almost felt sorry for the enemy who tried to get through it because it always was like the proverbial shooting of fish in a barrel. We called it snag wire and/or tangle foot and as their moniker imply, once ensnared, they were almost impossible to get untangled from.


And all it amounted to was regular barbed wire rolled out on the ground in crisscross or lattice pattern on the ground at intersects less than an average human step, and propped up with stakes at various heights from ankle to knee level.

Enhanced by anything imaginable from punji spikes to tripwire grenades to napalm bombs along the way. Not to mention backed up by the secondary defensive firepower towers, and bunkers armed with heavy machine guns and LAW rockets and inner perimeter mortars.

Tangle foot would be comparatively easy and less expensive to set up in conjunction with the ’creative’ use of ‘passive’ natural terrain obstruction like tree limbs and boulders and heavy brush on your perimeter. You’d only need about an eight foot width across the part of the perimeter you were setting it up at.



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Look closely at the seemingly natural and innocent looking forest pictures to the untrained eyes. In the pictures of downed trees and branches which were intentionally created as an egress obstruction.

You can’t walk or climb over that without falling, tripping, and twisting yourself to injury and entrapment while not getting far, as it stretches for several yards straight ahead and several yards to the flanks before you can make it through but hidden in the grass are also stretches of tangle foot.

So you would naturally walk around it until you found a pathway/clearing to continue on. This turns out to be a funnel zone which essentially lures the intruders into going where you WANT them to be herded. Which is replete with trip alerts, more serious booby traps, cameras, or whatever else you like when the SHTF and you no longer casually walk around in the area because you’re now in full defense mode.

And these funnel areas–which actually control the locations of entry to your compound–then become pre-set up dedicated fields of cross fire counter attack kill zones. Where you can lay a heavy ambush backed in and covered from the entry way or snipe them as they try to get all the way through and closer if they aren’t immediately deterred and retreat away.

If you look closely at the woods picture with the path on the right side, there is also a natural passive tree barrier on both sides going outside the picture for fifty or so meters either way.

It looks like storm/weather damage caused the blockage but it’s actually a clever expedient perimeter hack by bending down horizontally and staking down smaller trees cross wise which continue to grow and can’t be penetrated except by chopping through. The path is normally used for egress but can be tightly sewn up and protected fairly quickly.

5. Defensive Counter Attack Booby Traps and Other Devices

Don’t waste time getting into man-trapping devices like large snares, dead falls, punji pits, etc. These are so labor intensive, time consuming, and mostly don’t work, that it’s not cost effective in this day and age. And it will be a pain in the ass pulling out dead animals all the time.

Yes, they were used in guerilla warfare but only because the Cong were so piss poor and resource impoverished that they couldn’t do anything else. And good Point man could spot them a lot easier than trip wired grenades. When they got their little rice ball hands on better explosive ordnance, they quickly forgot about these primitive sticks and stones methods.

First and foremost and probably least expensive is a passive perimeter far enough away from your main compound/shelter that’s too far for an easy pick off gunshot or throwing of firebombs, usually over fifty meters and ideally about a hundred meters, with anti-intrusion alerts and deterrents.

Then augmented by tangle foot and strategic counter attack defense zones that can be upgraded later in a bad SHTF scenario with extra more effective counter attack equipment that you can make with legal supplies you already have in your stockpile.

Obviously we only touched the subject of base camp perimeter security, and what you still need to know if this article piqued your interest would fill volumes. But if you do have a serious interest in this I’ll answer any questions you have in the comments section and/or point you in the right direction for further edification on the subject.

This article first appeared on Survivopedia.com. If you liked it, please visit their website.

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Mahatma Muhjesbude
By Mahatma Muhjesbude December 28, 2015 13:17
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  1. Softballumpire December 28, 15:38

    This is outstandingly presented and quite informative. The only thing I could productively suggest is applicable only in selective areas where blackberry bushes are prolific. It doesn’t take many years for a thick Blackberry hedge to be grown, especially when planted to pre-selected areas and supported by 5′ cattle or 3′ hog panels. As they are doubling as livestock barriers as well, they are also tax deductible. They well serve as entanglements as well. Integrating them with all the the other suggestions also doubles as a tasty food source.

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  2. Lou December 28, 18:17

    What do you think about giving your BOL or BIL the look that it has either been (a) already Looted; (b) Quarantined due to infectious disease; or (c) damaged by Fire in order to discourage trespassers and scavengers from entering? How would you do this and make this “look” convincing and effective?

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    • Izzy September 2, 14:37

      Lou; Knowing I cannot bug out, I started buying plywood to put over my windows. It is all pre “torched”. All I have to do is screw the wood in place and finish torching the area around the wood.

      I also have installed Lexan on my more vulnerable windows. It was a pricey project, but worth it. I have an older house with no storms so it essential I did something with the lower level windows.

      I stored enough concertina wire to totally surround my house. I have stored 2 bags of trash (all washed) and baby diapers to throw around my yard to make it appear as if vandalism has already taken place. I hope I can enough fresh trash to throw up and down my street to make it look like the goons have already been through. This is just the tip of the iceberg of what I have done.

      Don’t forget the over the door tricks. 🙂

      There are many things you can do. Just use your imagination.

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  3. JR March 3, 17:14

    Along with blackberries, I found that in my area Mysore raspberries are a phenomenal perimeter defense option. I have it growing along my fence and it is roughly 7′ tall and about 5-6′ deep all along the fence. It grows like a weed (and in fact it is classified as a weed in some areas). Encounters with it are not pleasant, even if you’re just trying to pick that one perfect raspberry a few inches in.
    The secondary bonus is that I also have an incredibly abundant source of raspberries on hand nearly year-round.

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  4. Old Sarge May 2, 01:14

    I Remember the tanglefoot, also the blackberries and raspberries are a great idea ! How about caltrops? The Romans used a piece of iron about the size of a 16 P nail with a barb on the end. This was then put into a small block of wood , then driven into the ground. A very good article, thanks.

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  5. left coast chuck August 22, 19:50

    Caltrops are actually two pieces of metal bent to 90° and then fastened at together at the 90° elbow. That way there is always a pointed end up to impale the foot soldier or zombie. They can have other shapes, but that is the classic shape. It used to be the Division identifier for the 3rd Marine Division. Don’t know if it still is.

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  6. skinney August 23, 15:36

    I showed my sons how to make caltrops out of fencing staples while they practice their welding technics, a half dozen of these sharp 1 inch long boot piercing staples welded together makes a stop you in your tracks weapon!

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  7. Grampa September 2, 16:50

    most never think to drive on the wrong side of the Xway when one side is jammed. it may get you out quite a ways if you proceed on the shoulder to avoid any traffic that should be lite. Knowing where and when to dodge incoming traffic will get you farther than the snail pace of the outbound side. This goes for surface streets as well but you will soon have many following you to jam this up as well.

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  8. Hill411 April 9, 17:36

    When reading articles ALLEGED to be by Vietnam Vets, I have to wonder IF the author spent any time at all in combat.

    EVERYTHING about the perimeter defense presented within this article could have been written by a teenager who reads comic books. Attributing the defensive tactics to VN appears to be an attempt at adding credibility to an extremely weak and meaningless description of perimeter protection. Contrary to what the author of this article portrays, Charlie(the Bad Guys in Vietnam) was very good at entering ANY type of perimeter; many times with impunity. Funneling traffic movement into fire zones does make sense IF the opposing force is totally ignorant or fire lanes. One day of learning by the Bad Guy will last a lifetime of perimeter assaults.

    Do you want to be safe and protect both your family and assets during an extreme and potentially violent occurrence in your life? There is NO one size fits all. The best way to protect everything you hold dear is to anticipate what your adversary can do. If you live in a city; the Bad Guys can burn your building down, shoot/stab you, or herd you and your neighbors together and do whatever they please with you. If you live in a more rural area, the Bad Guys will have to spend an inordinate amount of time searching for you and yours. The Bad Guys will access the targets that are the most promising to them with the least amount of risk. Build your defense around making you and yours the least attractive targets for the Bad Guys.

    GET A RADIO that monitors everything from local channels to CB to Police to HAM broadcasts. Gather your information by NOT directly exposing yourself to the Bad Guys. By LISTENING to the transmissions and learning as much about the capabilities of the Bad Guys, the direction the Bad Guys are travelling, and the number of Bad Guys will provide you and yours with the information necessary to make Swift and Informed decisions. PHONES will, most likely, be down, so the Bad Guys still will need to share information among themselves. You will have to listen around the clock. You will hear both Good Guys and Bad Guys. Learn from their conversations WHILE you keep your mouth shut. If you can hear them, they can hear you.

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    • Rocky71 September 29, 13:29

      Excellent suggestions. Know your enemy and his capabilities… Are you facing a band of lightly armed marauders or a well equipped army? Everything changes when you are facing a disciplined trained force. In Viet Nam “Victor Charles” was extremely adept at breaching barriers, walls, water boundries ect…So called “sappers” could weave their way through concertina wire and other obstacles quickly and with little or no injuries in the process. I remember watching former VC ( HAHA I often laughed thinking of the phrase “former VC”) slither through thick concertina wire. Very sobering. And the importance of “Comms”? Crucial! The article” 5 Bad-Ass Perimeter Defense Lessons” has some merits yet I agree with you that there is no one size fits all remedy. Knowing what you are facing and good communications are the key.

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      • red September 29, 16:05

        Rocky: When the stepson was 10, I took him to the armory and introduced him to the soldiers. They loved him because he was a war movie fanatic and very up to date on everything. He spent so much time there, they ‘hired’ him to sweep out the place, taught him how to operate a tank (I had him driving stick before he was 11), and all about guns. To pay him, he was given junk, shell casings and so on. He decorated the place with old concertina wire and the Dominicans and Mexican in the ‘hood were in awe and loved it. He later went Army and did real well. He should have stayed in, but his mother kept calling and harassing him. His uncle wanted to get him in AI and said he was a natural. niio

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  9. Mrs. July 3, 12:39

    What kind of radio do you recommend for monitoring the bad guys that does all this but yet they cannot hear you?

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  10. red November 21, 19:59

    Good advice, and I hope we see better movies teaching this. Matt Damon’s dippy pandemic flick was not made for thinkers. niio

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  11. Sìtheag September 28, 17:29

    Long term bug out or bug in I think the double duty thorny bushes are a great idea, but not machete or fire proof. Having that stock of plain barbed wire, as the man says, makes excellent sense for perimeter cause it will also tangle and ruin any mechanized or mounted approach (4 wheelers, horses, etc) if it punctures or wraps. It’s true that one can cut their way through the wire with a bolt cutter, but far more folks will have machetes out there in the bug-out-bush.

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    • Sarge October 2, 17:17

      When you install the tangle foot, you could likewise plant the bramble bushes within in it, thereby making it even more difficult to penetrate or cut through using a machete or fire the tangle foot will still be there.

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      • red October 3, 11:16

        Sarge: Problem (for here). In Arizona an old desert rat told me (a lot of decades ago), if it ain’t got thorns, horns, or fangs, it’s poison. Most people already know that and will avoid ‘desert landscaped’ homes. Pretty much everything around the house is loaded with thorns, including fruit trees (citrus, hackberries, apple cactus). All that cover is attractive to rattlers, but they leave when the sun comes up. Chain link fence around the backyard is getting a few lines of barbed wire on the inside. And, if we can manage it, grapevines to cover the fence, which attract scorpions, but they hide, as well when the sun is up. As long as you know how to use nature, it’s a major plus and not exactly harmful. niio

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  12. red September 28, 21:18

    Yo, yes. One thing that used to be common was a heavy planter inside gates. People forcing themselves into a yard or house would fall over them. ankle height white wires (same color as the doors) it stretched at night before bed or when we go out. They fit against the door and can’t be seen. Plenty more, as well. niio

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  13. Keek October 6, 06:22

    I’ve been prepping for several years now. My husband has finally joined me in preparing for when the SHTF. We moved from a indefensible place in a town in the NE to a tiny town in the Colorado mountains far away from the bigger cities. I’ve been reading your suggestions for awhile now, but feel that we are in a difficult spot. We can’t afford to get a BOL. We’re retired and renting, so we are limited regarding defensive perimeter defenses and home fortifications. Any suggestions might make me feel more confident.I hope you have some suggestions for us. Also, what is “niio”??? : )

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    • red October 6, 10:46

      Keek: We’re ani Susos Kanonona, people of the Corn Moon, Susquehannock.
      My grandmother would applaud you because as Pappy noted, women are the wise ones. niio is Cherokee Iroquois for Walk in God’s beauty. And, Nana would likely threaten your hubby with her steel reinforced hairbrush with automatic tongue lashing.
      You understand your situation far better than we do. LCC has forgot more than most of know. Others here, ClergyLady and Miz Kitty are a definite plus. Fr. Bob needs to interact much more, as well. These people are our rock in troubled waters.
      But, having lived in the NE but in rural areas, first, socialize with the new neighbors. If you have kids, that’s fantastic because kids are more accepting of kids, more open. Kids are chatty and you’ll learn a lot from them, as will your neighbors from your kids.
      In conservative ‘hoods, if the husband isn’t home, neither are you. If a woman comes to the door, OK, you can talk, but if a man, no! No conservative man will bang on the door if hubby’s vehicle is gone. The old saying goes, a woman has her reputation and her children. If she gets a bad rep, her children will suffer for it long after she’s dead.
      Be helpful, always, but a handout is hated. If needed, accept with grace, but also a little–a touch of–anger to show you resent being in need shows you’re not a moocher. If it’s a welcoming gift, ACCEPT it with thanks and a smile. such things are like gold.
      Always return favors ASAP. Always show respect, especially for elderly. Even if you disagree, respect them because 1) they earned it by surviving and 2) they’re local and have family who will appreciate it–and you’ll get apologies from them “Pappy isn’t well and gets a little crotchety, please don’t mind.”
      Remember high school? Become local but never suck up. In many ways, you’ll always be that person from. Accept that and when in Rome, do as the Romans. Be part of it, but always remain somewhat independent.
      This is a partial, and you’ll run into situations where you’ll be lost but will muddle thru. Be like Jesus, who was always kind till the time came for something else. niio

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      • Dreaded December 19, 19:35

        Red I like this, except for the part “Accept that and when in Rome, do as the Romans”. This is not good if you are in a shft situation. If those around you are looting and raiding then you have lost your way.
        But the rest of this goes along with being honorable. Men and women have only one thing that is theirs forever. That one thing comes from Honor. This thing is what a real man or a real woman is made of. If it can be said when you are gone that you were honorable then there is nothing else needed. Honorable means that you are honest, have respect for others, and do what is needed even if it means you will die doing it.

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        • red December 20, 02:42

          Dreaded: Honor is an awesome responsibility. When it comes to keeping the kids safe, it blows out the window. If raiders want to attack us here, then they get exactly what anyone else in town would give them. Raiders, rioter, and looters are not part of the local scene. My neighbors are. It’s unlikely anyone here is going to run to Tucson to raid but very likely outsiders from Tucson will. niio

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    • Dreaded December 19, 20:07


      I am in the same situation as you are and there is a lot that can be done without money. Most of it will have to wait until the shft actually happens. The reason it will have to wait is you can not set booby traps that will maim or kill, you can not setup bug out site, and you can not build defense system around where you live due to regulations. All of this takes money.
      I live in a area that is rural but near town and within 15 miles of a good sized city. My neighbors are all good people and most of them will band together and fight off intruders.
      I have guns, ammo and a 2 month food supply put back.
      Anything I could do would make it apparent that I am prepping which would make me a prime target. So I have to set back and do what I can like buying food and ammo when I have extra funds.
      Best thing we that have no funds can do is to prepare ourselves physiologically. When the time come you will have to kill other people. This will change you.
      You will have to refuse giving food to beggars.
      If you are a Christian then you have your faith to deal with too.
      I am a Christian but I served in the military and know that you can kill to protect yourself and loved ones.
      So there is not much you can do without drawing attention to yourself and making your self a target for not only when a shtf but in todays society there is people that will kill you for a dollar.

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  14. Anonymous Prepper December 19, 21:56

    A good defense is to make sure that you look like you have no supplies.Use trip wire to make intruders trip.Make sure to camouflage your trip wire by using trip wire that blends in to the environment.

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    • red December 23, 01:34

      AP: my stepson and his sisters have this lust, no other word fits, for razor wire. I like heavy black fishing line and bells (it’s a Christmas-thing 🙂 Cactus, ocotillo, plenty of wolfberries, and hackberries. If it has thorns, its Arizona adapted, and is eatable, I’m all for it. All that brush makes Mouser the rattler feel right at home. She goes ‘home’ to the cactus thickets and her hiding place during the day. niio

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