15 Modern Laws That Would Get Our Grandfathers Arrested

Tara Dodrill
By Tara Dodrill March 26, 2019 10:22

15 Modern Laws That Would Get Our Grandfathers Arrested

There might be no better way to grasp how much control the government now has over our lives than to review some modern laws that would have gotten our grandfathers (and grandmothers) arrested.

If you think that you can do whatever you want on your own land, think again. The long arm of the government has curtailed many simple liberties that were once commonplace across America. It is not only personal property rights that have been affected by modern laws our grandfathers never would have dreamt of, but what we do for a living.

#1. Raw Milk

Once upon a time farmers could sell the raw milk produced by their cows to anyone who wanted to purchase it. Not anymore. It is illegal in most states to sell raw milk or raw dairy products. Although court challenges to state milk laws are ongoing, it currently remains illegal in 20 states to sell raw milk either in a store, from your own farm, or as part of a hard share agreement. In the states where raw milk sales are legal, the government inspection and permit process are quite stringent. The United States Food and Drug administration prohibits the sale of raw milk across state lines.

#2. Outhouses

Only a few states allow outhouses in specific locations. Concerns about cholera and soil contamination have made this type of off grid toilet nearly a thing of the past. In some rural area, primarily in Texas and Alaska. Composting toilets are allowed in many states, but only if they meet a health department outlined specification and both permits and inspections of the non-traditional commode are garnered.

#3. Tent and RV Living

Pitching a tent or pulling a camper onto your own land and living in it full time can also get you arrested and result in the levying of extensive fines. In some areas of the country it is illegal to camp on your own land for more than two weeks, regardless of what type of temporary sleeping quarters you are using at night.

 #4. Minimum Square Footage Requirements

That tiny little starter house or cabin you want to build (or build for your adult children) might fly in violation of state or local zoning laws. In some municipalities, particularly suburban and urban ones, there is a minimum square footage requirement on any dwelling or building constructed. Where I live, building permits do not exist – but folks who are not lucky enough to live in such a rural region, could find themselves in legal hot water and face hefty fines for attempting to build a house that does not meet the government minimum square footage requirements. In fact, even turning your garage into a family room could lead to legal trouble if you live in a suburban or urban area and do not visit the permit office with an open wallet and get the work approved first. While minimum square footage rules vary by location, the average requirement is typically between 500 to 1,000 square feet – larger than a lot of popular tiny house floor plans.

#5. Minimum Land Acreage And Utility Hookups

If want to allow a loved one to put a home on your property, they simply cannot just begin building on your land or place a mobile home there and tie into your well and septic system – as they did in our grandfather’s time. In nearly all municipalities and even counties, each home must have its own water well or be connected to a municipal line as well as its own septic tank or be connected to a sanitary sewer system. If a lender is providing funds for the dwelling, the space where the new home will sit almost always has to be deeded off into the occupant’s name and meet minimum square footage or acreage requirements. While the minimum amount of space varies by location, typically between two to five acres of land are the common requirement.

#6. Mobile Home Age

Forget finding a bargain on an older but still nice mobile home and sticking it on a nice little in town lot. In many municipalities putting mobile homes anywhere but in a designated park are illegal. In small towns where putting either a single or double wide trailer on a lot is still legal, the home must not be older than the number of years designated by a local ordinance.

#7. Keeping Livestock

Unless you live in a right to farm state, it is illegal to keep even small livestock in your backyard if you live within a municipality. Even if you live in a right to farm state, restrictions can still be placed on the type and number of small livestock you keep. Common backyard farming restrictions include prohibition against keeping roosters, maximum number of hen restriction, as well as breed restrictions on chickens to help ensure the ones chosen are not likely to be too noisy. Similar regulations pertaining to keeping meat rabbits and ducks, also exist.

#8. Swing Sets

There surely couldn’t be a law against putting up a swing set in your own backyard for the kiddos to play on, right? Not necessarily. If you live in a neighborhood governed by a homeowners association the building material and color of the swing set can be regulated. If you set up a swing set that is in the wrong color or has a shade canopy in the wrong color, you can expect a fine from the homeowners association for every day it remains on your property. Depending upon the terms of the homeowners contract, you could be sued for such a violation of its terms.

#9. Smoking

Lighting up a cigarette in your backyard or even your bathroom is illegal in some communities. A growing number of condo communities, townhouses, and homeowners associations have bans on smoking even on your own property because of the wafting nature of smoke, the prevention of the “quiet enjoyment” of the outdoors by others in the community, and because of potential fire concerns.

#10. Clotheslines

Being earth-friendly can even get you legal trouble in some neighborhoods. Apparently, some homeowners associations deem drying clothes on a line to be a habit of only poor folks and can hurt property values. If you think you will just keep your off-grid clothes drying activities up by moving the line inside your garage or even into your bathroom, think again. Doing so could mean you wind up with a $1,000 fine.

#11. Exterior Paint

Letting your creative juices flow is not legal in some communities. Not only are specific paint colors not allowed for home, garage, and outbuildings but you have to request permission from a homeowners association or follow guidelines outlined by a municipal planning commission.

#12. Home Business

Cottage businesses were once commonplace in the United States. Many small business and even corporation owners got their start working out of their own garages, dens, or kitchens. The ability to conduct business activities in a residential area, especially if customers visit the location to garner the service provided, have increasingly become illegal. Selling goods online or making goods to take elsewhere to sell remains legal…for now.

#13. Old Glory

Flying the American Flag or installing a flagpole on your own property has spawned more than a few fines in recent years. In some communities flying the American Flag has been deemed possible offensive to others or a political statement, which is not allowed under homeowners association rules.

#14. Parking

Our grandfathers could park any vehicle they owned in their driveway. If you live in a community with a strict homeowners association or planning commission, you might not be able to park specific types of vehicles in your driveway for longer than 24 hours – or ever. In some cases, a municipality can even mandate that your pave your gravel driveway or be subject to a daily fine.

#15. Shingles, Hedges, And Fences

The color, height, type, and material of all three of these items must fit within municipal planning commission and HOA rules or they will be ordered to be torn down – after you are issued a fine for your wild non-compliance antics.

Where you live makes an enormous difference. Some intrusive personal liberty laws vary not only by state, but by region. If you are fortunate to live in an area like where my survival retreat is located in Appalachia, it is possible to live at least a little bit more like our grandfathers and even great grandfathers, once did.

In my rural county there is absolutely no zoning and no building permit office…but the number of such freedom loving places that are governed only by common sense laws, are rapidly evaporating from America’s landscape.

Governmental entities and homeowners association are comprised of actual human beings. The only way to prevent our own grandchildren from one day hearing about all the laws that did not exist “back in the day” for us but restrict the free use of their property and general liberty is to become more involved with the entities that can levy control over our lives.

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  1. Ndjsjfjsje March 26, 15:39

    How is this at all relevant to prepping??

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    • Rick Fortune March 26, 16:05

      You keep these things in mind, as you live your everyday life. You don’t want to attract any undue attention, even municipal inspectors talk and could give up your preps. Under the radar is not a bad place to live.

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    • Rocker March 26, 16:40

      How is this article NOT? For the possible bugging out person(s). Just remember that in a SHTF situation, the policing will heighten.

      I think the article is good information. Even if it doesn’t tell me what to pack in my bug out bag!!!

      Have some common sense, a lot of people never think of what the article conveys!!

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    • left coast chuck March 26, 16:51

      It helps alert some who may be planning to raise chickens or rabbits or other barnyard livestock that local ordinances may prohibit such activity and therefore it would be prudent to check local zoning laws to preclude getting unwanted attention from the local gestapo.

      It also points out how our freedoms have been eroded bit by bit like the frog in the pot of boiling water. Every time you say, “Why don’t they . . .” you are giving up just a smidgeon more freedom.

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    • GerryG March 26, 17:31

      It’s wise to know what you can get away . . . and, it’s OK to poke some fun into it.
      The article is a reminder that you have to be, or stay aware of many things while you are prepping, or trying to plan ahead.
      When SHTF, you may not need to know what ordinances you’re no-longer controlled by; but in the mean-time, you want to be able to hold onto your collection or stockpiles.

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    • FedUpWithEncroachment March 26, 18:00

      Most of us are planning ahead. We would like to do things like have a backup plan (RV for example) filled and ready to live in on our properties. This is a reminder to know the laws ahead of time so they don’t come and confiscate what you’ve prepared. The same goes for things like wells, septic tanks, tiny homes on wheels, and many of the things our grandparents could have done with no thought whatsoever.

      It’s also a reminder of the creeping government takeover of our every move. They just reported in San Diego that most light poles will now have video AND listening devices on them to record even the quietist of conversations between two adults, as if we are all criminals.

      As aware citizens, it’s our job to push back against all of this nonsense. And it also reinforces my contention that Homeowners Associations are Socialist in nature and usually run by little Napoleans who want to invade every part of our lives and tell us what to do. This is why I always have bought in areas without an HOA

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    • Sherry March 26, 18:02

      It will be when you have to hang your clothes out side to dry them or you don’t have water to flush your toilet and where it goes stops working cause there is no one to keep it working

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    • Elaine March 26, 20:48

      Is this a serious question or a frickin joke???

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  2. Armin March 26, 16:33

    These are definitely different times. Not necessarily better times. Lot simpler back then.

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    • young prepper March 26, 17:41

      i wasnt alive back in the 1900´s but either way i know that there´s certainly been a lot of change since then,people are a lot more sensitive now,and a lot less hateful (well that doesnt apply to some) but sadly this new sensitivity is ruining most of my generation (i´m 15) of course i´m all for being nice and not being a prick 24/7,but the second i tell someone to shut it (because they´re angering me and wont stop) i´m apperently the bad guy,and i only said that to mention how much ¨weaker¨ we´ve gotten.

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      • Stumpy1 March 26, 20:23

        Thank you. You just reminded me how old I just turned. I can remember people saying back in the 1800’s. Admittedly it was very few people that made it into the 60’s that said that.

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      • mbl March 27, 13:22

        I’m with Stumpy, it does seem weird to think there are people old enough to drive and vote who were not alive during the 1900s.

        That said, I don’t think people are a lot less hateful now. In some ways, we are more aware, but i also think what passes for news media pushes a lot of narrative–that’s not new, either, it has happened for many generations, but the ability to transmit news instantly to millions globally–that’s relatively new. Not new in a 15-year-old’s life, for millennials will not remember life before the Internet.

        Common sense is becoming a rarity and people seem to have forgotten that personal freedom carries with it personal responsibility. Yes, I have the freedom of speech, according to the first amendment. However, I also need to bear the consequences of the words I speak, and that’s what’s been changing in the last 50 years. It’s now more common for people to say something and either run away or call foul because they’re [insert justification that puts them in a specially protected group that is untouchable].

        You can’t have it both ways. If you want freedom, you need to shoulder the responsibility that comes with it. If you want the government to do everything for you, then you trade your freedom for that.

        Wanting to call First Amendment rights then not wanting to take the heat that may come from an inflammatory remark you make is akin to a 3-year old having a tantrum.

        I arrived at my last location when it was still rural, there wasn’t a lot of regulation, and it was a nice community. Then, it became “discovered,” and by the time i left, there was tons of regulation, in part because some people are really clueless and didn’t want to take the responsibility to learn.

        At my current location, I can still do many of the things this article says people are not allowed to do. We’ve had encroachment here, too, but to date, people who want to keep our freedoms and are willing to shoulder the responsibility of that freedom have fought back.

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  3. Nolan March 26, 16:35

    I thank God every day I don’t live in a subdivision. We live on two acres unrestricted and our only restrictions are not having a commercial pig farm or a topless bar. I really distraught over both of those! 😉

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    • Prepper In Training March 26, 19:08

      Mess with the local agents… start a topless commercial pig bar… you can call it Porky’s

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    • Elaine March 26, 20:55

      Nolan, that sounds like a DEAL! I heard about a retired couple who bought in Fl from Ca without checking it out first (due diligence). Turned out they tried to sell VERY quickly as they were within good breathing distance of a pig farm. I’m looking and I check everything out WELL on Google Satellite before even going anywhere to look. I have found huge cell towers almost on the property line, huge power lines about in the backyard, and a few really questionable looking properties that I wouldn’t trust at all for the people or the smell! One realtor I talked to told me that just a ways down the road from the place I called about (way out in the country) there was a landfill. (Now I started looking out FARTHER on Google Satellite!) And one lady realtor I talked to when looking at a fantastic deal on a doublewide, told me that the area going to the home was fine, but there was another one she wanted to look at further down the road, but when she saw the neighbors she was afraid to drive down there alone. I LOVE this kind of info! It’s not in the ads, right? I have NOT found my minihomestead yet!

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  4. Wannabe March 26, 18:06

    Don’t get wrapped up in a Homeowner’s association.

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  5. Mr. MMG March 26, 20:25

    I’m not a huge fan of HOA communites, but if you choose to live in one, you have given your word when you sign on the dotted line that you will abide by the HOA rules. So any of the numbered “laws” that mention HOA’s, are they necessary to list in the article? As for zoning and sub-division, I would suggest you check out the thousands of communites that are dealing with population density issues that are tearing apart infrastructure and quality of life.

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  6. Elaine March 26, 21:04

    This is all reminding me of the article from Zerohedge I just finished reading, where the governor of NJ just signed into being a law to tax people on their rain water. Not sure how it is going to work. I mean, do you not have to pay taxes if it doesn’t rain? Can we tax the government back on the glyphosate and aluminum we find in the rain water they are taxing us on? I couldn’t figure out if they are being taxed if they get rain, or if they don’t get enough or get too much. I mean what the HAY??? I actually used to work for the state, and I know to ask questions about most of these things (unfortunately)!

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  7. Hoosier Homesteader March 26, 21:44

    My advise to those who are preppers and are in urban areas: if you’re serious about prepping, then find away to move where you don’t have to worry about farting in your own yard. Most of the rules are offensive to me; especially flying Old Glory. If Old Glory offends certain people, then don’t look at it, or get the H**L out of this country. ….And nobody better EVER walk up to me while I’m sitting on my verandah enjoying a good cigar and tell me it “bothers” them. They might find themselves wishing they had never been born…. Speaking of cigars, it’s the tag end of the day, so I’m gonna go out on my verandah, watch the sun go down, and burn a good one!

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  8. EthanEdwards March 26, 23:15

    Could just imagine my father’s reaction if he had been pulled over for letting (wasn’t enough room left in the back of the wagon) me sit on the tailgate as we drove down that dirt road after picking apples in an abandoned orchard.

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    • left coast chuck March 27, 02:43

      Or, horror of horrors, I used to walk to school by myself from the first grade until I was in high school and then the school had a woody station wagon that picked us up. I sure wish I had that woody today.

      And, to the consternation of child protective services nanny state agents everywhere, we used to be told to go outside and play and not come back until lunchtime, dinnertime or when the street lights came on. Our parents didn’t even know where we were for hours on end. Oh, the horror. How did we ever grow up in one piece? We knew who to watch out for. The old guy who would pull his zipper down if you were by his house by yourself; the town drunk who would throw bottles if you yelled at him — but that was part of the fun; the old lady whom I now think was probably senile but harmless who lived in the rundown house with weeds growing in the yard taller than we were. I don’t think she was really a witch but that was the gospel among our gang of brats. The kid next door had an attraction for fire. He liked starting fires as a matter of fact. His parents cured him of it (I think, at least he never did it where he was caught) by holding his hands over the coal stove, not enough to burn him but enough for him to feel the pain of the heat. Wow! That’ll get you some time in the pokey and a felony record these days. That used to be the standard cure for kids, mostly boys, who liked to play with matches. No expensive psychiatric consultations, no juvenile hall stays, no cost to the taxpayers, just a quick heat cure. I know there wasn’t a psychiatrist or psychologist in our town. There must have been one or two in Philly, but I am not even sure of that. There probably wasn’t one in all of Delaware County.

      Somehow we survived being shot with bb guns, falling into the lake every summer, falling out of the cherry tree while picking cherries, countless bruises, scrapes and bangs, somehow managing to wind up in the underpass at the base of the dam on the lake — still am not completely sure how that happened, getting burned with hot wax while on an overnight solo hunting trip, walking into the Western Auto Store a couple days after I turned sixteen and plunking down my $19.95 (I think) for a single shot .22 rifle and walking home with it under my arm without alerting the swat team (The what?) Our town only had one cop, the chief of police. If he needed any help he knew several construction guys who could swing a mean 2 x 4 if necessary. He was chief because he was the only one we had. I think most of his time was spent talking folks out of action rather than initiating it himself. We survived being hosed by the volunteer fire department when they had spray offs to see which volunteer department could put out the most water and force the other department back with their fire hoses. We survived running through the DDT fog that was sprayed nightly through the neighborhoods to kill mosquitos. Heck, when I was stationed on Okinawa in the springtime we used to use a beer can opener (remember those) to punch a hole in the bottoms of DDT spray cans to kill all the bugs in the quonset hut before lights out. Two cans a night, one at each end of the hut, usually from the next to the last week of April to the second week of June. Good grief!!! If anyone did that now they would call out the hazmat team and it would be a federal case tried in federal district court prosecuted by the assistant federal prosecutor for the SoCal district.

      It sucks to be old, but I am glad that I don’t have much time left in the silliness that is political correctness these days and way too much government these days..

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  9. left coast chuck March 27, 00:39

    You really want to not give the planning department nazis an excuse to come on your property. They won’t come just for the five hens and one rooster you have in your back yard. They will also look for every conceivable violation that they can possibly stretch to. You have a small retaining wall that you built to keep the neighbor’s yard from flowing down into your yard. Aha! no wall permit. No inspection fee. A fine!

    You have a chicken coop that you keep your chickens in overnight. Aha! Violates the set back regulations. Another fine

    You have fruit trees that are forbidden in this agricultural zone and you haven’t gotten permission from the Agricultural Czar for permission to have forbidden fruit. Aha! Another fine.

    That’s why it is important to check the regulations for yourself. Don’t take the word of the clerk at the counter who was just hired last week and doesn’t know “sic ’em” from “come here.”

    If you want to read a chilling book read “Three Felonies A Day,” wherein the author describes how federal authorities brag that they can charge anybody — anybody at all — with three felonies a day every day they breath. All they have to do is look through the federal statutes long enough and they can find something that you are violating.

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  10. IvyMike March 27, 00:55

    Women (and not just winches) probably wouldn’t like a lot of the pre 20th Century laws that kept them from voting or owning property or in some states made them and their children the property of their husband. And when I was a little Feller they still had a Colored Only entrance at the movie theater and it was legal in most Southern States for an adult male to marry a 13 year old girl (this is called ‘Traditional Marriage’ on the Rush Limbaugh Show).
    Sounds like everybody that isn’t living out in the Texas countryside is in pretty sorry shape these days.

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  11. PB- dave March 27, 01:10

    this is what happens when there is a lack of “common sense” and “common courtesy”. When there are people doing unsafe practices or over-stepping their welcome upon their neighbors… that’s when rules, laws, and ordinances are born. At first it’s a good idea but then the bureaucrats latch onto them and use them for a vehicle to gain control over people’s activities, and to generate revenue. Too bad we can bottle and sell Common Sense….. but that would probably violate the HOA covenant .

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  12. Thor1 March 27, 02:53

    Hi Tara, yep you can’t do things as an American citizen on your own land, but if you are an illegal alien or a Democrat you can get away with MURDER !!!

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  13. Raven tactical March 27, 03:15

    The gun laws alone makes me sick. The NRA has done more harm than good. Our president is anti gun.

    Our country is over and this is the ride down.

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    • PB- dave March 27, 13:03

      In less than 2 years, you will have your chance to put a different person in charge. …. maybe Bernie, Beto, or Biden will take your best interests to heart .

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    • Homesteader March 27, 15:41

      I don’t know anything about the NRA since I’m not a member but I do know the President Trump is pro-2nd Amendment. “President Donald Trump is the most vocal supporter of the Second Amendment to the Constitution that has ever inhabited the White House…….President Donald Trump defends the concept of armed self-defense….” quoted an article from ammoland.com. There are a lot more similar articles available, too numerous to list here. President Trump has even held a CCP. And like PB-dave said in his post “In less than 2 years, you will have your chance……”

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      • Raven tactical March 27, 15:52

        How so… his bump stock ban would suggest that he isn’t

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        • Homesteader March 27, 17:30

          Just because he signed a ban on bump stock proves only that he either doesn’t know exactly what a bump stock is or he’s giving them a crumb. How many people actually have or use bump stocks? Not that many when compared to conventional firearms. I don’t have one and don’t want one. I see it as useless. (I have been shooting for more than 60 years.) Most of the people I know who shoot call bump stocks nothing more than a novelty. Others could care less if they’re available or not. So let them have the ban on this one item – maybe it’ll keep them happy for a while.

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          • Raven tactical March 27, 22:06

            So let me get this straight… your willingness to give up rights that clearly state shall not infringe. Or worse people who dont understand that amendment are given permission because well trump is your golden God.

            Then again its people like you who are willing to compromise the gun rights because it doesnt effect you. Wait till the red flag laws goes into effect and worse the semi auto ban

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            • Homesteader March 28, 00:54

              Nothing has been “infringed upon”. I’m not giving up rights to anything but a worthless piece of junk. Why get so upset over a frivolous piece of junk anyway? No serious shooter would use one. Most ranges don’t allow their use. Give me one good reason, one thing that a bump stock is good for. Absolutely nothing – that what! No, I’ll never give up my guns and I’m not willing to give up my rights either. But I see no good reason to fight over a worthless and useless piece of junk.

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              • Raven tactical March 28, 02:41

                So nothing has been infringed upon….yet its literally the definition of infringement. Just because you dont see value in it. We should let it go. So many cowards like yourself are the reason we are at this point in history. I forgot the second amendment was written for you to pick and choose what you want.

                You are surely the loser who will gladly turn in his pathetic collection of guns when the ban happens. You sound like the perfect drone to the government.

                Again sorry to point out the facts trumps is anti gun. He will also sign the red flag laws. Enjoy selling out the country with your fudd bbrothers.

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                • Homesteader March 28, 04:50

                  It is obvious from our little discourse that you are unable to discuss opposing viewpoints without name calling. I do not appreciate being called a coward and a drone from someone who knows absolutely nothing about me. It is also obvious that we are from two different generations with vastly different views on life. Since we have opposing viewpoints and that you refuse to discuss anything without name calling, this ends here. Hope you continue to enjoy your own little corner of whatever reality you’re in.

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                  • Raven tactical March 28, 08:57

                    Yeah a total shame that you dont care about the second amendment. You honestly think that anything that you dont need should be banned. Pretty cowardly so yes those who openly betray the constitution are cowards.

                    It’s a either you defend it a 100percent or become a cuck to the government.

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                    • left coast chuck March 31, 02:07

                      Actually, both of you miss the wrong in what Trump has done. The definition of an automatic firearm which is what the BATF has now labeled the bump stock, is set in law passed by Congress. The POTUS, whomever he might be, has no power under the Constitution of the United States to override a law passed by Congress and not vetoed by the POTUS. Trump has, by his direction to the BATF, tried to override a law passed by Congress. He just doesn’t have the power, no matter how odious the law. It is up to the Supreme Court to rule that a law violates the tenets of the Constitution. So far the Supremes have not ruled on the legality of a bump stock. I think they will, however, rule that no president has the power that Trump has usurped.

                      Overall, I agree with both Homesteader and Raven, although I despise the tone of Raven’s post. It does nothing to buttress one’s argument if one resorts to denigrating the person of another poster.

                      I agree with Homesteader that the bump stock is a toy rather than a serious shooting aid. In my view, the folks at Las Vegas were lucky the shooter didn’t choose to use the .308s he had in his room. I think the casualties would have been much higher if he had. I also think that had he chosen to aim his shots with the 5.56, the casualty rate would have been higher. It has been proven to my satisfaction, at least, that aimed fire is far more effective than spray and pray.

                      I agree with Raven that giving up even one right, even if it is to own a toy that is generally just for amusement rather than actual deployment is a step in the wrong direction.

                      My interpretation of the Second Amendment is that if I want to own a 155 mm cannon, under the Second Amendment, I am free to do so. The Second Amendment while stating that the right to keep and bear arms in my view does not limit me to just arms that I can carry by myself.

                      It was not uncommon for traders on the frontiers of our country at the time of the drafting of our founding documents to own cannons to protect their goods. They would erect forts and have light cannons mounted on the walls to repel those who would steal their goods and do them harm.

                      The Constitution still provides that Congress may issue letters of marque. A letter of marque entitles you to seize ships of enemy states on the high seas. At the time the Constitution was written, a ship owner could obtain a letter of marque, outfit his ship with as many cannon as he could afford and the ship could handle and fire upon and seize for profit merchant ships and men-of-war, if he were skillful and bold enough, flying the flag of an enemy country. Thus during the War of 1812, owners of merchant ships could arm their ships and act as an arm of the Navy and keep the goods and ships that they captured. They had to have the latest in armament if they were going to engage in that activity. Should I desire a letter of marque to sail against ships carrying goods to Al Quida, I would need the most modern of equipment in order to effect such captures. A couple of Blackwater operators with a Barrett .50 cal would not do it. I would need at least a 3 inch gun and a 5 inch would be better. I would need 50 caliber machine guns, not semi-automatics and a 20 or 30 mm automatic cannon might be real handy.

                      That’s my interpretation of the Second Amendment and the NRA’s interpretation that machine guns are bad and certainly no sane person would want a 81 mm mortar is, in my opinion, totally incorrect and is a sell-out of our Second Amendment rights. That being said, unfortunately they are the only game in town actually doing anything meaningful with regard to preserving what rights we have left and so I am a benefactor member of the NRA although I do not agree with many of their policies nor the way they spend our membership dues. I think it is way past time for Wayne LaPierre to enjoy the generous 401K the NRA Board of Directors has chosen to bestow upon him.

              • upright and breathing April 1, 01:39

                so i guess you are ok with the government effectively steeling your personal property? I agree “bump stocks” had very little practical uses, but if you owned one that you payed good money for ,because the ATF told you they were legal to own. then the government says you no longer can, and makes no offer to grandfather or reimburse your legal purchase. I dont know how this is ok with any freedom loving american?

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          • Tom April 9, 16:18

            Homesteader, It doesn’t matter if the “bumpstock” is a crumb or that there isn’t many that want or use them.!
            Gun owners shouldn’t give up anything, for any reason.
            Keep giving up the crumbs and you will have a empty plate!

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  14. Madly Fiddler March 27, 03:40

    The last Century has been marked by the proliferation of agencies empowered to issue regulations with the force of law. But all those agencies, Federal, Regional, State, County, and Municipal, are almost entirely made up of Appointees, beholden to one or more politicians. Access to these faceless bureaucrats is strictly limited, particularly their meetings. Their decisions and rulings are made with little notice to the public, and appeals do not require them to be fair, merely to follow procedures, which THEY get to set up.

    Kafka could not have dreamed up a more acute vision of HELL.

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  15. Clergylady March 27, 11:41

    Hi LCC. I still have my single shot, bolt action 22 rifle from Western Auto. It was a birthday present when I turned 18. My old octagon barrel 22 that I bought at a pawnshop when I was 16 had been stolen. It’s still a pretty decent rifle. I used to pick off enough quail with it for 7 of us to each have a whole bird for dinner. Nice clean head shots. I hatred bird shot in my food. My kids all learned to shoot with that rifle. I learned to shoot with a friends 1911 so I bought that first 22 at a pawnshop with my parents approval.
    Grandfathered in has become a favorite phrase of mine. In 1954 the land I now have was made into a 27 unit mobile home park. I’ve cut it down to 5 residential sights, a storage trailer, 1 motor home, 2 buildings, and 2 portable sheds. I have 2 wells-both permitted and 3 acre feet of water per year with just 1 restriction on water use. No hydroponics greenhouse over a certain length and width. There are 3 separate septic systems. Also all permitted. Most of this wouldn’t be possible starting out today.
    My planned walapini pit greenhouse will get checkout but shouldn’t need a permit. As soon as you start digging, someone will come to make sure you aren’t putting in an unpermitted septic system.

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  16. Clergylady March 28, 18:53

    Not quite sure how you’ve decided Trump is anti gun. He and his sons ( includes any son- in- law) all hunt. Trump has has cc license for year. I’m not sure if he still has cc now with security around him now.

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  17. Clergylady March 28, 19:01

    By the way. I’m a life member of NRA. I hate to see them loose their bargaining pier to lobby for free gun rights.
    Hunting and defending yourself and family were assumed, as it was the way of life. The second ammendment was written for a guarantee check against government tyranny.

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    • Raven tactical March 28, 20:14

      The NRA has helped install gun laws like the red flag and bump stock ban.

      Corrupt and useless group.

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    • Homesteader March 29, 00:27

      Clergylady – No matter what you say, he’s got something to say against it. He’s convinced that he’s right about everything, and everybody else is wrong, which leaves no room for a discussion. And you know there is no way to reason with someone like that.

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      • Clergylady March 29, 05:06

        Yes homesteader. You’re right. But my nature is to always try. I like the usual comraderie in these sights.

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        • Homesteader March 29, 21:02

          CL – Some people just aren’t willing to discuss anything especially when there are opposing viewpoints. It’s their way or no way. Oh well, all we can do is move on.

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        • Raven tactical March 29, 21:09

          So even when presented with facts that you cant dispute. You tell yourself the lie that trump is pro gun. Seriously this is why the pro gun crowd is a small minority. You people don’t care about your rights as long as s Republican is taking them. The same terrible president Regan and Bush did more damange as well. Be a good sheep and just follow the maga train .

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      • Raven tactical March 29, 08:28

        Facts don’t care about your feelings. This is why our country is failing. The sheep like you line up and accept the red flag laws and bumpstock ban. Even though it’s A direct attack on the second amendment.

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        • left coast chuck March 31, 02:15

          Interestingly enough, good ole liberal Hubert Humphrey was a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment. At this point I don’t remember his membership status in the NRA, but he was a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment and made many public statements to that effect.

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  18. Homesteader April 9, 19:38

    To Everyone Here – Since I cannot get my point across, since I see things differently, and most of you think I’m some government troll or worse – I truly don’t care what anyone thinks of me – it is time for us to part ways. Have fun. Enjoy your life. I will enjoy mine. GOOD BYE!

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    • Elaine April 9, 21:03

      Homesteader, I just reread the whole comment section, and it looks to me like there is only one poster who is putting you in that category! I don’t think the rest of us are. One thing I have seen, is that in postings of this kind, different people have different knowledgebases which is great, because that way we can actually learn stuff sometimes, that is not even from the articles! I hope you will change your mind and keep posting.

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    • Raven tactical April 10, 00:35

      I heard you when you thought sliding against the second amendment to appease the anti gunners was a cool plan. I guess when pro gun means no infringement no compromise. Then you sir are nothing but a cuck who sells out when you get shamed.

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  19. Clergylady April 11, 01:51

    I hate to loose any ground. Not just guns but all laws. Bit by bit I see changes I don’t like. We’re a nation of ideas and the right to express our ideals. Seeing things slip away that I see as important bothers me but I know my ideas aren’t everyone’s. In a plural society it’s the voted in ideas that carry the law. Its the ideas not voted on yet put on us that bother me the most.

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