The Safe Zones After an EMP

Fergus Mason
By Fergus Mason August 2, 2018 07:04

The Safe Zones After an EMP

We’ve had a lot to say about the EMP threat on this site, and if you’ve been keeping up with it you’re probably more than a bit worried about the consequences of this kind of attack. So you should be; EMP weapons have, in a worst-case scenario, the potential to take the entire USA back to a 19th-century technology base in a matter of minutes. It’s a different type of destruction from what was threatened during the nuclear stand-off of the Cold War, but it’s just as severe.

The ugly truth is that it’s also a lot more likely to happen. During the Cold War only one nation – the USSR – was capable of destroying the USA with its nuclear arsenal, and the fact is they were never likely to try. It might be hard to believe, but the Soviets were at least as scared as us as we were of them, and considering Russia’s history of being invaded they might have been even more scared. They also knew that, while they could destroy the USA, the USA was equally capable of destroying them. Two other countries could have inflicted enough damage on us that the inevitable US victory would have been a pretty hollow one, but as the UK is our closest ally and France isn’t actually hostile, their weapons were never going to be pointed at us anyway.

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The New Threat is Worse

It’s all different with EMP. While the technology is beyond a terrorist group, it’s easily within reach of quite a few rogue states. All you need is a fairly crude rocket and a nuclear weapon. You don’t need a sophisticated guidance system that can drop the weapon onto a football field from half a world away, like a US or British Trident II missile can; as long as you can lob it up past the atmosphere and into a patch of sky a couple of hundred miles wide, that’s close enough.

Unfortunately for us, some very unfriendly nations can do that. North Korea is one of them – and many people believe they already have two nuclear weapons in orbit that could be used in an EMP attack. Iran is, at most, a few years away from having the capability to detonate a nuke high above the USA. Pakistan has it already, which is a worry if its government goes full islamist or is overthrown by an extremist group. A dozen other countries around the world have SCUD-class ballistic missiles that could be upgraded enough to do the job, then fitted with a nuclear warhead. Of course, any of the main nuclear powers – Britain, France, China, India, Israel and of course Russia – could saturate the sky above the USA with EMP bursts if they wanted to.

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Where Can You Hide?

So the threat is real, and not remote. In the 1970s and 80s, preppers – survivalists in the language of the time – moved their families away from major cities and likely targets to protect themselves against a much less likely threat. Where should you be if you want to be least exposed to the dangers of an EMP attack?

Well, here’s the bad news: It’s a lot harder than finding a place that won’t get nuked. The Cold War reality was that if you lived more than ten miles from the nearest nuclear target you were probably going to get through the initial attack with nothing worse than broken windows. The real danger came from fallout, and if you were prepared you could survive that.

The effects of an EMP weapon cover a much wider area. In fact a single large weapon detonated 250 miles above Kansas would affect the entire continental USA, although the effects would be most intense and damaging in a circle about 800 miles across centered below the detonation. If North Korea really does have two nuclear-armed satellites in orbit, the obvious places to detonate them would be over the northeast and southwest corners of CONUS; that would take out the government and New York’s financial markets, as well as Silicon Valley – but the effects of the weapons would cause massive damage across most of the 48 contiguous states.

And that’s just two weapons. What if the attacker could put 20 weapons into the sky above the USA? Or 200 weapons? Russia could easily hit us with two thousand EMP bursts; that would saturate the entire country with an intense enough pulse to fry every piece of unprotected electronics in America.

So, unlike a straightforward nuclear attack, there’s nowhere in the USA that’s outside the range of the weapons’ effects. If you want your electrical and electronic gear to survive you’re going to have to store it properly, disconnected and in a sealed Faraday cage. It’s no good moving to rural Montana and assuming you’re far enough away from the targets to survive.

Or is it?

It’s Not the Attack That Will Kill You

Maybe you can’t escape the effects of an EMP attack, but if you pick the right place you can escape most of the chaos that will follow. EMP weapons don’t kill directly, the casualties will come from the collapse of our infrastructure and the social breakdown that follows. Infrastructure is going to fail everywhere, of course, but that doesn’t mean everywhere will be equally badly affected.

In the aftermath of an EMP, the worst place to be is a major city. Firstly, city dwellers are more dependent on technology than rural folks, so the attack will hit their lives the hardest. Grocery stores won’t be getting any more deliveries with the roads choked by dead vehicles, so food will run out in days. Water supplies won’t even last that long, as treatment plants and pumping stations fail. All power will go, leaving the cities without heat and light. The emergency services will be crippled. Rioting and fires will spread out of control, hospitals will collapse under the twin pressures of mass casualties and failed systems, disease will quickly run out of control, and within days most of the survivors will be dispersing into the surrounding countryside. Few of them will get very far.

In a rural area you’ll still lose any electronics that weren’t shielded from the pulse, but the loss of technology won’t hit the rest of your life so hard. You probably already grow some food yourself, or have the space to do it. In any case, local farms will still have food; they just won’t be able to ship it to the cities. Your water treatment plant will probably fail, but you’ll still have access to water – if not from the taps then from rivers, springs or lakes. As long as you can treat it yourself (and that’s not hard) you’ll be fine.

Most of all, in a rural area you won’t be surrounded by a frightened, angry mob. Population density is a lot lower, and the people are more self-reliant. That, right there, takes away the biggest threat to the lives of you and your family.

There’s another risk that needs to be considered, though – nuclear power plants. We’ve already seen that many of these will fail in an EMP attack, when their cooling systems are crippled and the reactors explode and burn. The low-level fallout from these reactor explosions will probably cover most of the country, but if you’re more than a few miles from the reactor itself you’re not in any serious danger. Stay out of a ten-mile circle around any nuclear power plant.

City Life Will Kill You

So, when it comes to an EMP attack, there’s no place in the continental USA that’s safe from the effects of the weapons – but there are places where the aftermath will be much less severe. In fact, this zone of relative safety covers most of the country. Stay away from cities, large towns and nuclear power plants, settle in a small community, and be as self-reliant as you can. Do that and an EMP attack will still change your life forever, but it probably isn’t going to kill you.

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  1. Greg August 2, 12:47

    Roving gangs of desperate people and criminals will finish off the folks in rural areas…..

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    • lc65 August 2, 15:22

      Guess you haven’t been to any rural areas. My brother works for a company that requires him to travel to ” rural ” areas. They typically show up armed and want to know what you are doing.
      Rovers won’t make it very far on any backroads !

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      • Kansas Scout August 2, 22:21

        Yes indeed, most rural people also are not lone wolves like many urban people think. Many have already formed loose associations that resemble the old militias of Colonial times and the early days of the republic. Also many rural people are also those who’ve seen the light and have come out of the whores of Babylon that are our modern cities.

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        • Nunya August 3, 02:36

          Whores of Babylon…..??? Nice choice if words… Most don’t even know.what’s really going on…

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        • Johnctee August 6, 19:25

          Don’t you just hate stupid people that call people that don’t live exactly like they do Whores of Babylon? Me too!! People that look down their noses like that need to have an attitude adjustment. Preferably administered by one of your so called Whores of Babylon.

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          • ANNE August 10, 20:56

            HE IS NOT CALLING THE PEOPLE ” WHORES OF BABYLON” HE IS REFERING TO THE CITIES THEY COME OUT OF ! SMH

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        • Rickytik70 August 10, 00:34

          Spot on.

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      • POCC August 3, 14:31

        You got that right! Someone that doesn’t belong in the area will stick out and be watched (or something else).

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    • Homesteader August 2, 15:27

      Never underestimate country folks. Most are armed, know how to use them, and a lot have had military, if not combat, training. They know who belongs in their area and who doesn’t. And are quick to come to each other’s defense.

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    • Labienus August 2, 15:30

      Just about everyone here will disagree with you. That’s what arrogance brings.

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    • Tex August 2, 16:40

      By your comment I speculate you’re some kind of city dweller. My rural neighborhood is able to more than adequately defend itself. We have quite a few vets under fifty years of age, retired law enforcement and good old fashioned rednecks. Many of us have already taken steps to band together for the common defense of our area. We are armed, trained and would present a difficult target for those willing to try to “finish off the folks” in our little rural. Maybe this will modify your idea that the rural folks are just sheep waiting for wolves.

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    • Dave August 2, 16:43

      They will have one hell of a surprise on their hands, do you think, we’ll sit here and let them help themselves. they better come prepared. Just remember we have lots of acerage to dig holes for those dumb asses. If they don’t have enough sense to get out of the city now . then they have no sense at all.

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    • rickytic56 August 2, 17:34

      Right…………Not after they “Meet my little friend(s)”!!!I’ve got enough to take out a small army!!!

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    • John August 2, 17:50

      No,those of us in rural America have plenty of guns and ammo.

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    • BBCSA August 2, 18:10

      Greg, you could be right, if the gang is big enough to overwhelm me and mine. We have firepower most city dwellers can’t even comprehend. And if I must die, my last wish would be to die laying on top of a large pile of empty brass

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      • Johnctee August 6, 19:41

        LMAO you are fucking hilarious!! We have firepower no one else can comprehend……..ROTFLMAO!!! Oh you will most likely die at the hands of the people you seem to think you are so much better than. Grow up boy! This is America try joining together instead of your pipe dream that no one knows how to fight except you hillbillies!

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    • Jake August 2, 18:20

      Maybe so but you’ll last a tad longer :- ))

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    • Mitchell August 2, 19:02

      Go to Amish country and ask them for a hunting guide. You’ll find 1 in 4 men will step forward with high power rifles and shotguns. The Amish helped like the Indians did to settle the USA of open lands before cities became a thing in each area. The roving gangs will die in farm country horribly. Have you ever asked the Amish about alcohol? They may not drink it but those folks know their grains and oils to make fire. Its why farm country is so peaceful that the neighbors know what your doing and how to cross the open fields unseen as to not spook farm animals. Hell if they want a bunch of people dead on a dairy they’ll let the cows out to stampede Intruders. A single cow or bull can punch a hole in large truck door so humans will be gonners. Also look how many people die trying to sleep with a farmer’s daughter the stats don’t lie.

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      • Linda S August 3, 13:33

        Mitchell, have you ever spent time around a dairy herd? A stampede? Really?? Trained to defend life a pack of attack dogs? Dairy farmers around the country are laughing their asses off.

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      • survivormann99 August 6, 18:47

        This comment is so weird that I don’t know where to begin.

        Bulls? Sure, but cows?

        Maybe the cows I’ve been around have been raised by Quakers, not Amish.

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    • Rand August 2, 19:38

      My weapons will deter these people, and I will enjoy doing so.

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    • JimmyJames August 2, 22:57

      You’re a jagaloon! Folks in small areas/communities are some of the most armed folks in this country. Gangs wouldn’t stand a chance trying to overtake rural areas. Not only are we, small communities well armed, we have plenty of ammo and we know damn well how to properly operate our firearms and hit whatever we are aiming at. So good luck with pulling that off pal.

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    • Billy barter August 3, 01:02

      The gangs in the cities could never survive in the Mts where I live. That’s if they could even make it up here alive.

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      • Mitchell August 3, 13:44

        Actually Linda if you spend time around a farm yard anything that spooks animals including cow’s will trigger them to try and either kill what is bothering them or run away. So yeah that can work as a weapon if you actually think how many successful conquering leaders have thought that everything is a weapon which is why the ninjas were also able to turn gardening tools into lethal wapons. Hell if you have stingrays in a fish tank their spines can be clipped and used to poison your attacker’s from the coating on them. But you think small minded game’s when survival is you have three choices of each category. The best choice, the choice that makes it difficult but works and then the choice you know sucks balls but it’s the last ditch device. Example you have a 556 bolt action best case weapon, then you have the 380 handgun the option of ok it will help me to get back out and then theirs the 7″ Bowie knife with 1/2″ spine which is less than ideal. Farm animals are the less than ideal choice but work to provide a distraction and alarm system when electricity is down. But sure keep thinking everything in the most literal way possible when everything goes wrong you’ll miss the hidden danger’s and it will end badly.

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        • Spike August 4, 14:54

          Mitchell, I wonder what kind of cow herd you’re familiar with. Most ranchers will get rid of the aggressive cows for their own safety. This is the first “Cow army” I’ve heard of. My cows know the difference between a coyote haplessly passing through the herd and hunting ones and then act accordingly. Anything out the norm such as a strange vehicle or large predator and they run…they don’t attack.

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        • survivormann99 August 6, 19:48

          Someone here is off their meds.

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    • Professor Azreal August 3, 13:14

      Literally the attitude that widens the divide between rural folk and city folk. Roaming gangs have no chance against rural communities who know the land around them. Even modern militaries have issues controlling local populations in areas that don’t want their presence.

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    • Mainebean August 3, 22:34

      Those roving gangs had better be heavily armed! Otherwise they will suffer extreme losses!

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    • Maya August 3, 23:46

      Not if we get them first

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    • JB August 4, 02:18

      If the wood ticks don’t get them, the blizzards will. It’s all proximal to how far you live from a Super Walmart. The city folk couldn’t even find my small town after their smartphone map is gone. Lol.

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      • Mitchell August 4, 15:11

        Spike it won’t matter if the cow is aggressive or gentle you scare them and they will try to kill a threat to their safety. If you try to cross even a neutured bulls pen and he doesn’t know your scent you better hope that 36 seconds before he catches up to you your moving faster than him. Any animal that moves in large groups like cows, horse’s, dog’s, birds and so forth if they feel threatened will attack the source especially if it’s a new smell that invaded their area. It’s why guard animals don’t attack their handler’s but go after anything else. You think most city folk know the danger’s of farm animals? Take a ride to Amish country and piss off a goat or sheep either one will try to stomp you to death after knocking you over. Most city folk die in the country side because they tried tipping a cow and another one came up and slammed in to the person with force equal to a pick up truck at 35mph.

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    • Rickytik70 August 10, 00:36

      You don’t know much about rural areas.

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  2. Pat August 2, 12:50

    A question,what will an emp strike do to pacemakers. Few family members and close neighbors have them .

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    • Anne August 2, 13:32

      A solar storm won’t destroy a pacemaker. But if you are in an airplane – flying above 30000 ft – then you might be in trouble. Earth’s atmosphere does not provide significant shielding at this altitude. According to NASA, the effects at this altitude are ten times higher than on the ground.

      On the other hand, a HEMP (nuclear EMP) generating over 30000 V/m can be a problem. Here is a very good answer from a specialist:

      ” I have been a medical scientist working with pacemakers for 36 years, and I think I can give a definitive answer! The hermetically sealed can will indeed be a pretty good Faraday cage so no direct damage from an EMP. A bipolar system with, say, 5mm electrode separation will, with a major high-altitude EMP generating ~25 kV/m in the northern US, deliver a voltage pulse to the circuitry of about 900V – this won’t damage a pacemaker, they are designed to cope with external defibrillator voltages. A UNIPOLAR system, where the electrodes may be 15cm apart, will generate a bigger voltage, maybe 4-5kV, to the generator, and this could be damaging.”
      According to some manufacturers a powerful EMP may just turn the device off.

      From the article: http://www.askaprepper.com/emp-myths-and-facts-whats-bs-and-whats-true/

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      • Rocky August 2, 16:38

        If you happen to be in a plane when am EMP hits, your a goner. The plane will crash due to it’s computerized components fried. Chances are you will not be flying at the time but you do have a Pacemaker, still not good. There are many different models of Pacemakers, all use computers. Still, I doubt if you would drop dead immediately unless you have really severe heart problem are are awaiting a heart transplant. Roving gangs, starvation , wild dogs and disease will be a problem for all who survive. Most of our high ranking elected officials ill be quickly removed to underground bunkers to wait out whatever comes next.

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    • Claude Davis August 2, 13:35

      There’s a lot of debate about this. Pacemakers are vulnerable to electromagnetic interference (EMI) – this is why some security scanners have warning signs to warn pacemaker users to get a pat-down instead. Manufacturers try to harden pacemakers against EMI as much as they can, but there are limits – and modern, computerized pacemakers might be more vulnerable than older, simpler ones.

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    • Jake August 2, 18:21

      even if they aren’t fried by the pulse which they like they will be there be no Replacements could be no insulin or other medications so that they are free

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    • Mitchell August 2, 18:54

      When I worked for PetSmart the id tags said the magnets can cause pacemaker interference. You’d have to research the model of the pacemaker. The other big issue in a EMP situation say they do survive it the device still uses a battery that needs replaced by skilled team with a clean room that requires electricity. So it could be a long good-bye if your family does survive sadly of the device battery dieing.

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  3. TheSouthernNationalist August 2, 12:58

    With all those warheads exploding in the air, surely some if not a lot of that radiation will fall to earth wont it?
    That will poison the whole country.

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    • Claude Davis August 2, 13:26

      Actually the radiation threat from an EMP attack is zero. Not low; zero. EMP weapons detonate two or three hundred miles up, well outside the atmosphere. The vaporized remains of the weapon will become a small cloud in space that’s soon swept off towards Mars by the solar wind. The gamma pulse emitted by the weapon itself loses intensity at the cube of the distance from the explosion, so by the time it reaches the surface it will be so weak it won’t even cause a detectable spike in the background radiation.

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  4. KDC August 2, 15:39

    Israel? I doubt very much Israel would attack the U.S. Israel is America’s friend, or didn’t you know tha?

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    • Claude Davis August 2, 22:53

      Israel is Israel’s friend. They have a lot of interests in common with the USA, but they also spy on us. Anyway, the article was talking about countries that COULD attack us in this way, which is why the UK – a country that really is our friend – is on the list. It isn’t suggesting that they WOULD attack us, just that the capability is there.

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      • Mitchell August 3, 03:05

        The UK is disgusting with trying to get us to ban our firearms because they have an authoritarian complex that we are free to have them. Wouldn’t trust them either side ce through the UN they ask us to help fund for everything that’s a joint venture. And we also spy on all of Europe and our other friends like Japan and China.

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        • lonewolf August 6, 11:01

          someone had better brush up on their history!!!

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        • Claude Davis August 6, 21:50

          The UK is not trying to get us to ban our firearms. They haven’t even banned their own. Sure, they have restrictions on the kinds of guns you can own – most of them pretty dumb, and all of them ineffective – but there are plenty legally owned guns in the UK.

          Yes, we spy on Europe. We do that through the Five Eyes intelligence community, which is the USA and its closest friends; Canada, Australia, New Zealand – and the UK.

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    • Stan August 3, 03:00

      Israel is Israel’s friend. No one else. They knew in advance if the bombing that brought down pan am 103 over Lockerbie. They didn’t warn us. The plo did though, sadly the CIA didn’t find their tip credible.

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    • TCP August 3, 16:09

      Ever heard of 9/11 and the Israeli Mossad? Israel is our friend. lol

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  5. Darryl August 2, 15:53

    For those of you afraid of nuclear power plants, here is some information. In the event of an EMP, the control rods will automatically drop to the bottom, this stops the fission process. The core of the reactor will be isolated by shutting the coolant loop isolation valves. This keeps the core covered in water. As long as the core remains covered and the control rods inserted, there is little chance of an accident.

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    • Claude Davis August 2, 22:41

      It’s not quite that simple, Darryl. In fact there was a post on this site a couple of weeks ago on how safe nuclear plants will be in an EMP attack. The fact is, at least half of them are likely to fail pretty badly.

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    • Survivormann99 August 3, 14:45

      I have studied the issue at length, but I don’t consider myself to be an authority on this subject. I will simply point out an issue that someone with the proper credentials can address.

      It is my understanding that due to logistical, and just as importantly, political issues, most nuclear power plants store spent fuel rods on site in what are the equivalent of large swimming pools inside containment buildings. The circulation of cool water in the pool is essential in keeping the rods at a low enough temperature to be harmless.

      If fuel is not delivered to the power plant due to the effects of EMP on the production and delivery system, the water cannot be circulated. The water will then heat up and will then be boiled away. A fire will then break out, and the resulting effect will be that the containment building’s integrity will be compromised. Radiation will then spewed into the surrounding countryside à la Chernobyl.

      Would someone, again, someone with the proper credentials, please tell me if this scenario is accurate?

      If it is, doesn’t it make it somewhat academic if the reactor itself shuts down?

      Perhaps there would be a dramatic difference in the level of radiation that is spewed into the atmosphere.

      Yet, even if this is the case, it would still be an environmental disaster that would make large parts of the country unlivable.

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  6. alan August 2, 16:18

    Seems the map has nothing to do with the article and the article doesnt really talk about safe zones! 🙁

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  7. Grigori Rasputin August 2, 17:41

    “The low-level fallout from these reactor explosions will probably cover most of the country, but if you’re more than a few miles from the reactor itself you’re not in any serious danger. Stay out of a ten-mile circle around any nuclear power plant.”

    Are you freakin’ kidding???? Probably all of these numerous plants across the USA, eventually going full-blown Fukushima, will drive cancer rates and birth defects sky-high, not to mention radiation poisoning in our air, food, and water. Very few places if any, even the remote ones out west where few of these abominations were built, will be free of nuclear poisoning on some level.

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    • Mitchell August 2, 19:07

      Exactly I know the Chernobyl tours take you within 400 meters of the power plant. As long as it’s not a heavy wind day your safe from all directions. The worst issue comes from any animal the grabs an irratiated piece of scrap and runs into a populated area. The animal would die quickly but could make a lot of people sick in this rare scenario. Like a bird grabbing something shiny that’s coated in waste material and next thing we know handfuls of people get sick.

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  8. Reactor-Jack August 2, 17:43

    First: All nuclear power reactors in the US are hard-designed to “FAIL SAFE”, i.e., to self-shutdown in the event of a cooling failure, critical loss of power to controls, etc. so the threat of total failure (melt-down) of the reactor core is very very low. The containment dome is there to contain (duh) any fission by-product gases if, following an UNLIKELY melt-down, an even MORE UNLIKELY rupture of the reactor case or system piping occurs. Any fission by-product solids exposed by the event are just gonna sit there.

    Second: Virtually all operating power reactors on our planet use U-238 which is NON-FISSILE meaning it is NOT bomb material. IN SHORT, THE REACTOR CORE AIN’T GONNA “EXPLODE”. PERIOD.

    Third: As a country, we’ve over 70 years experience building and operating these machines safely. The weakest link in the nuclear safety regime is neither mechanical nor electrical nor EMP. The weakest link is the human operator and the degree of professional training he has been provided.

    Fourth: Since the cost of reactor safety measures is insignificant in the scheme of things, not even the stupidest investor would even THINK about skimping on safety measures when buying a reactor. Moreover, the two companies who actually design, build, and sell reactors in the US (GE & Westinghouse) ain’t too terribly stupid either.

    Fifth: Did I mention the hysteria generated deliberately by anti-nuclear power NIMBY idiots?

    What you do is too important to be lazy about fact-checking before publishing. Just sayin’

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    • Claude Davis August 2, 22:48

      Fukushima was designed to fail safe, too, and that’s exactly what it did. Then it exploded anyway, because the tsunami took out the backup generators needed to keep the coolant flowing. EMP is also capable of taking out either the control systems that tell the backups to kick in, or even the generators themselves. And when that happens it’s only a matter of time before boiling coolant blows the containment vessel apart.

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  9. Paul August 2, 18:39

    Here in Orlando we have responded to hurricanes and lightning strikes and tornados. We have had a little practice coordinating multiple organizations to a response to a disaster. Power has gone out for me as long as two weeks. I was stuck drinking warm beer with the dogs. Our churches are encourged to develop a disaster plan, and many churches take that seriously. In fact, there is an annual Faith-Based Breakfast in Orlando August 15, at Second Harvest Food banks. Orange County Citizen Corp sponsors this event, and attempts to encourage the community to prepare for an EMP, and other disasters. Even our amusement parks are like independent communities, and are partially prepared. Most everyone I know is partially organized and grows a little ‘Victory Garden’. I actually believe God is in control, and evil by others will be used by God for good (somehow).

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  10. Grigori Rasputin August 2, 22:47

    “The containment dome is there to contain (duh) any fission by-product gases if, following an UNLIKELY melt-down, an even MORE UNLIKELY rupture of the reactor case or system piping occurs.”

    Yeah, the containment buildings at Fukushima worked so well. I’ll sleep better tonight knowing this.

    “Second: Virtually all operating power reactors on our planet use U-238 which is NON-FISSILE meaning it is NOT bomb material. IN SHORT, THE REACTOR CORE AIN’T GONNA “EXPLODE”. PERIOD.”

    That’s another comfort. I believe the explosions at Fukushima were hydrogen gas or steam, not nuclear explosions in the sense of a nuclear bomb. Glad that all turned out so well.

    “Third: As a country, we’ve over 70 years experience building and operating these machines safely.”

    I guess that’s why we have so much tritium and other radioactive materials showing up in soil and groundwater around our aging plants. No doubt, this is a comfort to those living near these plants.

    “Fourth: Since the cost of reactor safety measures is insignificant in the scheme of things, not even the stupidest investor would even THINK about skimping on safety measures when buying a reactor. Moreover, the two companies who actually design, build, and sell reactors in the US (GE & Westinghouse) ain’t too terribly stupid either.”

    Hmmm, seems like Fukushima used GE designed reactors. No skimping on quality or safety except the stuff you really believe/hope won’t come back to bite you on the butt. But what happens when it DOES? For all the safeguards and safety measures, these “smart” people overlooked something very important that they should have caught. Japan has always been prone to significant earthquakes. How did these smart people miss the possibility of water damaging backup cooling generators???? Or was this an “unlikely” event that greed dictated cutting corners on, so more money could go into certain peoples’pockets? Don’t try and pretend it doesn’t happen, because it does. This time, it has cost the people of Japan dearly and the rest of the world.

    “Fifth: Did I mention the hysteria generated deliberately by anti-nuclear power NIMBY idiots?”

    Oh, do you mean the idiots who are smart enough to see nuclear power for the scam and the very real danger it poses to the planet, including ever-growing piles of nuclear waste which will be deadly for hundreds of thousands of years, yet is disposed of in ways that doesn’t keep it isolated completely for more than a few decades?

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    • joe August 3, 02:48

      As you said the explosions at Fukushima were not nuclear, an EMP would take out the electronics, which would kill the cooling pumps, even if the core was shut down, the residual heat would build up to a point where there water will all boil off, If the containment vesicle can not hold the pressure, and it won’t then the explosion will cause much damage and release lots of radioactive gasses, so best be at least 30 miles away, 50 would be better.

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    • Stan August 3, 02:58

      Only the uninformed or environmental terrorists this k like you do. Fast actinide burners are incapable of melting down, and produce waste that’s no more radioactive than uranium ore mined from the ground after only 200 years. They run on ‘waste’ from conventional nuclear reactors and their waste us > 25% by weight industrial metals like silver, palladium and rhenium.

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  11. Chas August 2, 23:07

    All of you, if you haven’t already, need to read the book “One Second After” by William Forstchen. It does a great job of painting a post-EMP America. Not good.

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    • Jager August 3, 13:15

      I read the whole series of 3 books. It makes you stop and think about possibilities. I highly recommend these books. We live close to Black Mountain NC. We have gone there twice to check out details from the book.

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  12. mingo54 August 3, 02:37

    Another unknowable EMP danger is the location of Naval Nuclear vessels.

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  13. joe August 3, 02:40

    I don’t know where you got the information on the extent of an EMP burst, but from my information, one burst at 200 plus miles up over the center of the USA will cover the entire area with enough power to kill all electronics that is not EMP protected, and the only thing that is are what the Military has, forget anything else, and most of the ideas for a Faraday cage are bad. A treated plastic bag will not do the trick, When it was first discovered, it was because the insulation was melted on the wires of the sensors. so much for your bag. A metal ammo can with aluminum tape sealing or a metal trash can again sealed with aluminum tape, at least two layers, three to be sure overlapping, is the only expedient thing I know of that will protect.

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  14. BillH August 3, 03:27

    I have good news. There are, in fact, places which are likely to be actually safe from a nuclear weapon based EMP attack. The radiation travels in straight lines. It does not “turn corners”. It will go through walls.

    However, it will not go through a hill or mountain. So a valley is actually safe from EMP which is not from a bomb which was overhead.

    Put a different way: EMP travels to the horizon. Mountains create a closer horizon. The maps that show how much of the US would be impacted, based on the height of the explosion, are calculated based on the curvature of the Earth — the horizon.

    Or, from the opposite perspective: you will be impacted if there is line-of-sight to the explosion, even if so far away that you see nothing. Behind a mountain, you will not have line-of-sight to the explosion.

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    • Claude Davis August 6, 21:55

      The radiation travels in a straight line. The problem is it’s not the radiation you’re worrried about here; it’s the EMP. The initial pulse from the weapon affects a large area of the upper atmosphere, and the pulse effect then cascades down, spreading as it goes. If you’re within the effect area there aren’t going to be any terrain shadows to hide in.

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      • BillH August 12, 03:19

        Electromagnetic pulses are radio waves. The word “radiation” includes radio waves; apologies for the confusion. An EMP pulse is much more powerful than typical radio waves, and covers a broad spectrum, unlike radio transmissions. But like all radio waves, they travel in a straight line from the source. EMP does not “skip” off of the upper atmosphere like some Ham transmissions can do (possibly because EMP originates only from a denotation above the atmosphere). If it could reflect or bounce that way, it would travel around the world, which is not what has been observed.

        Thus what I said about being in a valley stands. If you are in a local location where mountains block radio and TV stations, you are equally protected from EMP (unless it is overhead, of course).

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  15. Diana August 3, 03:39

    All I know is this… EMP hits us…my grown children and I have a place to meet. I live in Ft Worth Texas and my daughter and family live in Wichita Falls Texas. As soon as we know for sure, I will walk two miles to my son’s house…..he and I will set off to Wichita falls so we all are able to know where each other are. It’s 19 hours to walk there. My son-in-law is a retired Major in the Air Force and did extensive survival for pilots. They have a pool for water …and all the guns and ammo you would need. Trying to buy a pre computer car, preferably a truck. But it’s something….

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  16. JCLEERE423 August 3, 04:16

    I have some acreage here with a small lake on my property. Some one before me had a serious security complex. I have a 6ft chain link fence with 3 rows of barbwire on top all the way around my property. You can jump the fence ( lol ) come uo the drive way or swim the lake. Either and all ways. I can see you coming and have lots of ammo. I live very close to a fed prison. I was told I need to join the meighborhood watcch incase there is a prison break. I told them , I am good . I am good for ab0ut the first 150 of them. After that it becomes a reloading issue. !!!

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  17. SeanK August 4, 04:37

    AMERICANS… That’s all of us. Why not seek to save as many of us as we could? Descending into provincial tribalism, and wanting to kill the ‘other’ from a city, not white, etc, betrays our ideals. Take those from the cities destroyed, use their skills and accept them into you communities. THAT will make you a patriot, a true American…

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    • Jager August 4, 10:25

      Feeding everyone that comes to your door will make you a dead patriot . If the roving mobs don’t kill you for your food you will soon starve.

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    • Claude Davis August 6, 21:57

      Nobody’s talking about WANTING to kill “the other”, but we’ve all seen on the news how quickly law and order can break down in our cities, and how fast looting takes hold. In any event on this level, a lot of people from the cities are going to be trying to take what they can. If you have supplies, you better be ready to protect them or you won’t have them for long.

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  18. Hoosier Homesteader August 7, 02:49

    Well, the comments are better than the post this time around; there are as many opinions as there are people in this country.
    If an EMP takes out our infrastructure, it’s gonna be UGLY for everyone. That’s my opinion.
    Plan. Prepare. Pray.

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