14 Preppers Speculate What an EMP Would Look Like in America

Claude Davis
By Claude Davis April 24, 2018 08:43

14 Preppers Speculate What an EMP Would Look Like in America

In the early days of prepping, nuclear war was the danger most people were concerned about. That’s easy to understand; not much could be as destructive as a full-scale nuclear exchange. That danger has receded a bit now, although it certainly hasn’t gone away – and, with Russia led by the hard-liner Vladimir Putin, it might even be rising again. Still, it’s not what’s at the front of everyone’s minds when they think of a EOTWAWKT situation.

There’s a wider range of threats to worry about these days, but potentially one of the worst is an EMP attack. A small number of nuclear weapons, detonated in the upper layers of the atmosphere, would produce a huge and devastating electromagnetic pulse that could potentially blanket the whole country. In the affected area, most electronics would be instantly destroyed – and anything with wires in it would experience current spikes that might even be able to burn out simpler electrical systems.

An EMP attack would instantly obliterate most of the services and communication systems modern society depends on, and when you take away the things that hold a society together, it falls apart. That’s going to trigger one of the worst-case prepping scenarios – being thrown totally on your own resources, and potentially having to protect what you have from crowds of desperate people.

We asked 14 preppers what they thought of the EMP threat, and how they planned to cope with it:

Robert, Georgia – “After civil disorder, an EMP attack is the most likely SHTF scenario I can think of. There are just too many rogue states that either have nukes or could get them in the next couple years. And if you want to hurt America a bad as possible, EMP is the best way to do it. It’s the worst-case scenario I plan for; I figure if I can survive an EMP, I can get through anything else that’s likely to happen.”

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Shane, Texas – “Learning what EMP can do was a real eye opener. Now, whenever I buy something, I always ask myself two questions – is this going to survive an EMP, and how will I get by without it if it isn’t?”

Neil, Virginia – “I had a few reasons for emphasizing pioneer-style tools and skills in my preparations, and EMP was a big one. 19th century technology is a lot easier to make or repair yourself, and it’s also guaranteed EMP-resistant. I have some radios, LED flashlights and other electronics stored in Faraday cages, and if that all survives it’s a bonus, but I’m aiming to be able to survive with no electricity at all if I have to.”

Martin, Alabama – “I can see the panic growing quite slowly after an EMP. At first a lot of people are just going to think the power went out or something. Without their electronics they have no way of knowing the whole country is affected. It’s going to take some time for that to sink in. I want to know it’s happened right away, so I can get myself out of the city and head for somewhere safe.”

Leslie, Texas – “I don’t think an EMP is going to be that much of a hardship for me personally. I already have my own well and I’m pretty self-sufficient in food. I have an old truck for as long as the fuel lasts, and horses for the long term. What I’m worried about is other people and how they’re going to react. For city folk an EMP is going to be devastating. Concealing what I have as well as I can, and defending it if necessary, are the big challenges I see.”

Jess, Maine – “When I learned about EMP I went through everything I’d done to prepare and looked at how it would stand up to the pulse. I was horrified at how much I planned to depend on electronics. In any other crisis they’d be fine, because I have the power to charge them, but the EMP risk made me look for more mechanical solutions everywhere I could.”

Floyd, Virginia – “What scares me the most about EMP is how thoroughly it would mess us up. It’s going to hit everybody. Emergency services will be in at least as big of a mess as the rest of us. It really is going to be every man for himself.”

Jay, Montana – “If we get attacked in spring or summer I think we could pull things back together pretty well inside a few months. Trouble is, if the bad guys are smart and hit us with EMP in winter, people are gonna start dying real fast. And how smart do you have to be to work that out? That’s when I’d do it.”

Kyle, California – “I live in the tech capital of the world, basically. People here can’t cope without WiFi for five minutes. After an EMP they’ll all go crazy. I’m bugging out if EMP even seems likely.”

Richie, South Dakota – “When I first heard of EMP I thought, fine, I can get along without the TV, and I have my own generator for when the power goes down. Then I learned a bit more and realized just how bad it would be. It’s not just the power we’ll lose; it’s gas, probably water, all communications. All that stuff is controlled by computers, and they’ll be toast. To get through the few months after the attack is going to need pretty much total self-reliance.”

Sue, Maryland – “I’m pretty sure an EMP wouldn’t impact me much directly – looking around my home, there isn’t a lot for it to damage. What scares me is the effect it’s going to have on a lot of other people, and how desperate they’re going to be when food disappears from the stores. My two priorities are self-defense and expanding my vegetable plot.”

Paul, North Carolina – “EMP wasn’t something I thought about much until a couple years ago. Since I learned what its effects would be I started to take it a lot more seriously. It’s meant a few changes in my plans. The truck I planned to use for my bugout was a late model, and probably wouldn’t have survived. I’ve now replaced it with an old but low mileage one that doesn’t have electronic engine management – another benefit is I can do a lot more work on it myself. I’ve gone back to navigating with map and compass, too, just to keep my skills sharp. GPS is great as a backup, but we can’t rely on it.”

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Terry, New Jersey – “Maybe an EMP wouldn’t be the absolute worst thing that could happen, but it scares me because it’s more likely than a full-on nuclear war. It’s the kind of thing some crazy leader might think he can get away with.”

Claude, USA – “A few people have noticed that this site talks about EMP a lot. There’s a reason for that. It’s the simplest way for someone to cripple the USA. A few countries are already capable of doing it and more are getting there – some of them are run by pretty unstable folk. It’s hard to think of anything else that could cause so much chaos across so much of the country – even a single weapon could cripple multiple states, and that’s enough to overload anything the federal government and local emergency services could throw in. EMP is a serious SHTF scenario, and if you want to be prepared, you need to be prepared for EMP.”

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Claude Davis
By Claude Davis April 24, 2018 08:43
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  1. Hoosier Homesteader April 24, 11:39

    Depending on your own resources… A few of us can do it, but the vast majority of people in this country just don’t care to think about it because they’re “too busy”, or don’t have a clue.
    Like Neil from Virginia, I look to 19th century tools and methods.
    Good article, Claude. This site is a wealth of knowledge for those who care and want to learn.

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    • JakeTP April 24, 17:42

      I agree HH I strive to maintain my 19th century skills and learn as many more as I can. Once a person adopts the old ways it gradually becomes enjoyable and a way of life.

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    • Skittles April 24, 18:22

      What most people don’t realize is depending on the size of the device an employee, ranging from a strong solar flare to a massive missle, you will not only be inconvenienced, but you will only have a few hours to plunder grocery stores, I know you are prepared, I am talking about the millions that do their purchasing daily. Even food will not be The most devestating issue, Yes anything controlled by computer will be history, but it will be more than a few months before power is restored, look at the aftermath of a bad Storm and usually the infrastructure is still there, a massive emp can melt all the wires. Once the electric goes AND here is where the real problem starts, SEWAGE!!!!! Without power the pumps will not work. You always hear about water and food supplies, but all of it has to go somewhere. And without proper sewage systems, really bad disease is on its heels, the more populated the are, the worse it will be. I pray we are all just worrying about nothing, but it is something to think about

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  2. Wannabe April 24, 14:52

    Just last night I was listening to Mark Levin on the radio and he had a guest featured on his tv show and played the audio. He was talking about the vulnerability of our electric grid and how it can be knocked out very easily by means of EMP. Glad to know the big conservative talk shows are addressing the issue. Here is a tidbit iof info I did not know. North Korea has two satellites in orbit and if armed with a nuclear device it could be detonated above us and kill electricity. And they do have the ability to launch an ICBM from a sub off our coast and have the same results. We will see where this abandoning their nuclear testing goes with North Korea. Maybe fat boy means what he says.

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    • Auckland Escapee April 24, 22:29

      Kim Jung Un has the capability, but he isn’t going to do it, he is just talking tough, a bit of sabre rattling, China and Russia also are capable, they won’t do it either, they may sell a weapon to a third party to do it, but the big worry would have to be from the middle east. Now they would do it, but if you think they would send an EMP our way, and then let us try to survive using our preps to the best we can, you would need to consider one more fact, they hate us more than can be imagined, they will attack 19th century America with 21 century everything they have, nothing will pull the middle east together as much as destroying America. While I am sure we will have some parts of our military still functioning, it will be difficult to do much without reliable communications.

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      • Boomernuke April 26, 19:41

        Everybody forgets one thing. The US defense is build on the nuclear triad…..there are a lot of nuclear tipped US missiles on subs at sea every day. No matter how hard you try to knock our the US counter-strike capability, it is impossible. So anybody that deploys an EMP against the US will face more than equal retaliation. Comms in military are hardened and will mostly survive so aggressor will become toast fast, damn the collateral damage.

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  3. Rod April 24, 15:27

    One thing to keep in mind is that immediately after an EMP very, very few are going to know what happened and what the consequences will be. There will be no news, no phones, no newspapers, none of the common means of communications. It is during this “Silent Hour” that those of us who recognize the event can move quickly to our survival mode, whatever that might be, before the realization sets in with the general population. Life will never be the same again for any of us, and it will be very short for the unprepared.

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  4. Rick April 24, 16:13

    Don’t forget the Sun! That would be a world wide event.1800’s? Try Mad Max post apocalyptic proportions.

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    • Spike April 24, 18:39

      Just because the Carrington Event of 1859 caused aureus all over the world doesn’t mean it would have fried wires everywhere like it did in the USA

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      • left coast chuck April 25, 00:43

        Actually, Spike, from what I have read, telegraph service all over the world was affected by the Carrington Event. You have to remember in 1853, telegraph lines only existed between major cities in major countries. Telegraph service didn’t extend out to smaller towns. Some countries didn’t have telegraph service at all. In the 1850s telegraph service did not exist in Japan, China, vast stretches of Russia, all of southeast Asia, probably not in India.

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  5. Ben April 24, 16:18

    These kind of articles are informative, and they should give us a reason to think and to prepare.

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  6. Wannabe April 24, 16:33

    Jay from Montana mentions an EMP attack in winter. Yes very detestation, because many could freeze to death before the hunger starts setting in. Matthew 24:20 Jesus instructs us to pray that our flight is not in the winter time. True this scripture is referring to the end times, but I think it is fitting. An EMP might just be the end for many. Wish I was a millionaire

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  7. bishan April 24, 17:20

    I’m scratching my head after reading this article. No one mentioned collaborating with fellow preppers to prepare some type of long term survival for their community. If the average “city” person is so ill prepared and masses of hungry and destitute people descend on the countryside, how is one prepper, even with family, going to survive? How are they going to provide 24/7 security? Eventually your stockpiles are going to be depleted. How are you going to replenish supplies while maintaining security? Preppers need to look to one another and form plans to work together.

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  8. Lee April 24, 17:20

    I put a commercial surge protector on my well pump to try to save it. I have a small supply of water but the well is really important. The one thing that no one mentions is the importance of faith in God so your life is more than survival.

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    • Graywolf12 April 24, 17:46

      From what I have read the surge protector will not help, and even if it did you would have no electricity to run it. Get a hand pump to have water.

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    • JakeTP April 24, 17:51

      Lee you may want to put together a PVC tube bailer for your well just in case. The work well.

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    • Bigbone April 24, 22:22

      I started thinking of and preparing for an EMP a few years ago. We sold our house in Tampa because it was on a salt water lot. We purchased a home just outside Bradenton with a 15,000 gal. pool, for fresh water, plenty of storage and 1 1/2 acres in a small community with around 200 homes and only two entrances, can be easily blocked off. I have found, a lot of the residents are ex military or police and first responders with the same ideas. All well armed and a lot of preppers. I alone just put in two 25 and 30 ft. Garden wells , with hand pumps and small electric pumps, have food storage for at least two years and a 60,000 seed bank, 400 watt solar set up ready to install, small freezer for ice to keep the fridge cold, ham radios, crank radios, Walkie talkies, batteries, chargers, lights, lamps, kerosene, all of the old hand and mechanical tools we should ever need. I just started planting a few “Moringa trees”, you should google them, we have my Bible, survival guides, The Lost Ways volumes 1and 2, paper money, some gold and silver and enough ammo to protect it, but for the life of me, I can’t get my daughter and son in law to listen and prepare, they say the government wouldn’t let it happen and if it did, the government would take care of the folks, and the live in St. Pete. They say, if it does happen, they’ll just drive the 35 miles to our house. I tell them, they couldn’t get here. Millennials wouldn’t have a chance.

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      • Hoosier Homesteader April 25, 12:02

        My hat’s off to you, Bigbone! If I were in your situation, I’d be brain storming with my like minded neighbors to protect your turf. I looked up your area on the map; it’s crowded down there! I’ve been to the Tampa St. Pete area and had to wonder how any city plex this big can function…even under normal conditions. Take away the electricity, and it would be chaos. I wish you were my neighbor! …Up here; not down there 🙂

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        • Bigbone April 26, 13:27

          Same here HH but my better half refuses to move away from the daughter and grand kids. I’m thinking, the masses will come out of the city limits and go north on I75, not thinking of heading east. We are pretty much prepared to protect against anyone except our own government. Like I said in the post above, check out the “Moringa” tree at “eat the weeds.com” , could be a God send for survival. I bought 100 seeds from Amazon with about 50% propagation. I’ve got 5 started now. The crushed seeds also will take out 90% of impurities from a pail of water. Add to my list all of my emergency electric appliances are all 1200 watts or less that will run from my solar panel setup, a generator with a 100 gals. of fuel that is treated to run the large appliances for 15 to 20 min. at a time until the fuel supply is gone. Should take a very long time to use that much fuel. I’ve also planted raspberries and blackberries along the side and back of the property to slow an advance from those directions. Also have two old fashion septic systems without the electric pumps that they require down here now. The trash and the sewer systems are going to be the big issues, I think, and of course starving looters and thieves.

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          • Hoosier Homesteader April 27, 02:32

            Never heard of the Moringa tree; thanks for the tip! I’ll definately look it up.
            Regarding your fuel supply; I use a product called Archoil and it not only makes your vehicles and mowers and tractors and trimmers etc. run better, it stablizes your storage stock.
            Also, have you looked into hand operated appliances?

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            • Bigbone April 27, 23:31

              HH, I use StaBil, has always worked for me. I do have a lot of mechanical appliances like can openers, sharpeners, hand blender, but like I say, I can connect my four solar panels to my four heavy duty golf cart batteries, I have a 1500 and 2500 watt inverter that will run all of my nuvaves, single burner hot plates, 700 watt micovave, kurig coffee maker and small freezer plus several more appliances. Not all at once, but all under 1200 watt each. The gen will only be started for around 20 min at a time for larger appliances and for noise sake. It is in a metal shed and I plan to build a sound proof box for it and vent it to the outside of the building. Finally put my other hand pump on my second well today.

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              • Hoosier Homesteader April 29, 12:59

                If you’re like me, you’ve probably have a ToDo list. A shallow well with a hand pump is on my list, but farther down since I have a pond.
                Solar is a great way to go; I have a battery bank that supplies 1550 amp. hrs. I’m slowly adding to my panel array to recharge all that capacity. If I were to drain the batteries, my current solar output would take a long time to top them off. …Another item on my ToDo list!
                Keep preppin’ Bigbone!!!

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                • bigbone April 29, 13:24

                  I have my solar and all of my accessories wrapped and stored, ready to assemble just in case. I made the mistake of buying regular high amp auto batteries to start with, then found they were for a sprint and six volt golf cart batteries are for the marathon. Sold them and only lost $20.00 and bought golf cart batts. I love this site but I also check out “tin hat ranch” occasionally, has some great solar articles and other tips. By the way, well water works much better on my plants than chlorinated county water. Hurry an get that well in. I sunk mine with water. Got everything I needed for under $50.00. Look for “drill your own well” on the internet. Worked great, took about two hours, but I’m in sand. Happy Prepping.

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                  • CarmenO April 30, 09:38

                    The possibility of digging my own well, never occurred to me. Thanks for the info. I also live in sandy soil. I’ve been thinking that the area where the snow melt take the longer to be absorbed could be a good location to try. My house is located quite a bit higher since my backyard slopes down (which is great because I have a walkout basement).

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      • Readytogo April 25, 12:20

        Bigbone it sounds like you are well prepared. As for your kids I face the same thing with all 3 of mine. They believe something could happen but they think they can deal with it at the time. 2 of the kids are abut 15 miles from me and the 3rd is in Afghanistan. I know that if the SHTF while my son is in Afghanistan I won’t see him again and the chances of the other two making it to me are very slim.
        I cannot understand people that do not do at least minimal preparation. I tell those people to forget about EMPs and world wide disasters. It is irresponsible to live day to day and not prepare for floods, fires, tornadoes, blizzards etc. I you have a family with little kids at home and do not prepare for emergencies it is nearly criminal. Still the vast majority of these people will do nothing and will be wondering the streets and begging for food, water and shelter.

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  9. Jasper April 24, 17:56

    I wouldn’t set up no kind of group nothing no way no thanks. They will be able to rat on where I am whilst they are being skinned alive. Nope I think I will just keep quiet and lay low for a few months. Give folks on the top side enough time to kill and eat each other down to a manageable level. The swarm will be too great.

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    • JakeTP April 24, 19:52

      I tend to agree Jasper. I plan on going it alone. that’s not to say that I will never hook up with others but it is not in my plans. For all the good a small group could do they present a number of potential problems and trust will be a constant problem.

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    • Rick45 April 28, 23:01

      Agreed. I don’t trust people on a good day. “Don’t worry. I’ll never talk no matter what they do to me” is horsehit at the highest level. People here in Nova Scotia can probably be expected to evacuate the province. I will not.

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  10. Subsix April 24, 18:05

    The RAND Corporation has published a number of EMP damage forecasts beginning in 2003, updated every 3 or 4 years. The original ‘threat’ in 2003 was a solar EMP. In the latest report, it is a high-altitude EMP (or HEMP) caused by a nuclear detonation. Short story, their latest forecast is that it will take down 90% of the electric grid and take at least 10 years to recover, if ever. They forecast 90% fatalities. The IC says ‘when’, not ‘if’. Sleep tight!

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    • Jasper April 24, 18:41

      Yes, and those large transformers are only built in South Africa. Know what’s going on down there now? Maybe 18-22 months to build one, with grid up, and no civil problems.

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      • Subsix April 25, 12:33

        South Korea, not South Africa. Lead time is 9 months for delivery. There are about 39 of these transformers throughout the US Grid. Do the math. But even that begs the question, “How will you transport and install one of these transformers CONUS with not electrical power and most of the population GONE before the first one is ever ready for delivery?”

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  11. Ted April 24, 18:38

    Water, that is the most critical item that will be required, we can’t last more that a few days without it. I believe anyone that is smart enough to send us an EMP attack will figure the best time to do it is in the summer, and we all have somewhat hot summer weather, Montana thru to Maine.
    I have a deep water well. I have a 7500 watt diesel generator that can start my submerged water pump. I also have spare diodes for the generator and a 275 gallon tank filled with diesel. I also have quite a bit of packaged food and a certain amount of canned food and a large supply of COFFEE for I am a coffee drinker 🙂 and an acre of land. I really do believe an EMP would totally destroy our wonderful country and life style.

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  12. Rod April 24, 18:55

    I have spent my entire adult life working in the electronic communications industry and the last decade prepping broadcast facilities for EMP. EMP will damage any electronic item containing a coil of wire, such as motors and alternators. Unless a genset is protected by Faraday cage or other means it should be considered expendable. A protected genset is going to be the only sure way that you will have electricity. You then get into the fuel supply, maintenance, and repair logistics issues. If you have a well, a hand pump connected to a windmill is your absolute best bet. This is what allowed the American Great Plains to be settled. There are still companies that make these and it might be worth investigating them.

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    • JakeTP April 24, 20:09

      In my younger days I was a State Emergency Manager and I officed in the State EOC. Our EOC was underground, under a building, constructed of poured reinforced concrete and accessible through a tunnel system. The communications/ computer room was a building within a building (in the EOC) and was essentially a giant Faraday Cage. What the state had for electronic protection and what we could possibly build are miles apart. I protect my electronics with a home made cage based on reading everything I could find I am only hopeful it will work but there are no guarantees.

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    • Miss Kitty April 25, 03:33

      Hey, Rod. Would an EMP have any effect on separate components or say, a radio if there was no power connected? What about the old “crystal” sets we all built as kids? (Do they still make those kits?)

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  13. KC April 24, 20:05

    So who in the above article actually described what they thought it would be like? We all know the utilities, etc will go down. You’ll live or die by what food you’ve stored. Guns and ammo? Of course.
    Most people won’t know what happened; then their phones are dead is when they’ll know its not normal. 4 – 6 hours later is when panic will begin. Not long after that society will break apart as people act on their panic.
    What it “looks like” will depend on where you live: city, suburb, or in the country. I live ipm the outskirts of a smaller city, but plan on bugging in, at least for a few days, then depending on the situation, going to the family farm in the country where we’ve stockpiled even more supplies.
    It’s going to be horrible within a week, and then the disease starts, no matter where you are. There are so many variables, no one knows. Was the EMP on the coast? Midwest, High Altitude? It all makes a difference.

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    • katanatac April 27, 11:25

      Not to be mean or anything, but if you have ever seen a junkie that cant get a “fix”, that is the way these millennials will be acting when the grid goes down and those iphones quit working.

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  14. rydaartist April 24, 20:10

    The most important thing I have to offer is have you is this, have you thought of Solar Ovens? I now have two, one that goes to about 325, the other 450. Think how will you cook? Propane gets used up, wood, think deforestation, coal used up how to get more. The Late Great State of California has at least one thing on her side, we do get the Sun.

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  15. old fart biker April 24, 21:35

    If and when a EMP hits your factors of survival are limited to your knowledge of almost everything. Gardening, forestry,hunting and fishing skills, natural medicines and cures, sanitation and water purification and food storage not of freeze dried type but your own.Canning, meat processing , raising animals for butchering, books for further reference and enjoyment .I would like o believe that I have prepared for everything, but we will all come up short in some areas, so that leaves us with will power and faith, not only in self but more importantly in Jesus Christ to see us thru. May we pray for this nation and our leaders that they would seek divine guidance in our time of need.

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  16. Miss Kitty April 24, 22:26

    The one thing that I’m really surprised wasn’t mentioned is the fact that with an EMP EVERYTHING electronic shuts down. Airplanes, busses, trucks, cars, boats,trains…all losing power at the same time. All losing steering. Even with no propulsion inertia would carry larger vehicles quite a distance. Never mind the chaos on the highways, every plane or helo in the air is going to crash and there will be NO fire/rescue/police to render aid. Boats all dead in the water with no comm. Don’t know how well the military is prepared for an EMP, but they’ll likely have their hands full and won’t be deployed generally for a couple days if at all in some areas. That’s the thing I worry most about is the unchecked destruction from crashes and fires. If it’s a man-made event for maximum chaos and loss of life I would act around Thanksgiving/Christmas time. Lots of travelers, bad weather, flu season and a morale killer all in one nasty package. (I know, I’m just a happy little ray of sunshine, aren’t I?) That’s why I’ve tried to go low-tech as much as possible in my preps. Often, too, it’s cheaper.

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    • Miss Kitty April 24, 22:40

      Sorry, bit of a non-sequitur there. Just to clarify, low tech won’t help with planes falling out of the sky, but having low tech options that you are comfortable using will make your survival easier. When the world around you has gone to $#!+ being able to have a hot cup of soup or coffee will make you feel better.

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    • Robert April 25, 04:11

      There is something you left out, the nuclear power plants, without the grid to cool the rods and the spent rods stored there, they will start to melt down. The backup generators if they can get them to run may keep them from melting down for a week or so but when they run out of fuel, they will melt down. there will be a lot of Fukushima happening all over this country. A lot of people will die from this. There will be no way for them to stop the plants from giving off radiation for a long time. Just think of all the water that if you drink it you will get sick and die. Also the air you breath.

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      • Bigbone April 28, 12:50

        I have a supply of “iosat” just for that reason, two fresh water wells and enough 100 ft. plastic rolls to cover most of the back yard for planting till after the first rains wash away 90% of the radiation that will destroy the first four inches of ground. Our problem is, we have three power plants and McDill within a hundred mile radius. It won’t hardly matter which way the wind blows, we’ll get hit. Will really need a giger counter or some kind of meter to see when it’s safe to go outside.

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        • bigbone April 28, 13:01

          I’m always reading about folks saying they will be able to hunt, fish or forage to survive after a nuclear meltdown but from what I can find out, everything not protected and above ground will be contaminated. Just like eating poison. If you can’t start over fresh, you’re done.

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  17. BaryonBonder April 24, 23:35

    Whoever above said we would be back on our feet in a couple months has no frickin idea what they are talking about. All transformers will be ruined beyond repair. The bigger the transformer (sub-stations) the bigger the hit they’re going to take. These are pretty much exclusively made by Hitachi in Japan and are “build to order” with an 18-24 month lead time, during normal conditions. I know the buyer at Berkshire Hathaway energy, he used to be my boss. What this means is that you will never have the grid again, ever. Your greatest danger will be people. Once they get desperate, there is no limit as to what they will do. The city populations will move out into the countryside like locusts. You have to decide whether you are going to live, or die. If you want to live, you’re going to have to learn to kill humans, on a wholesale basis, because they are going to kill you if you don’t kill them. That is the bottom line, so either get tough, or put the gun up to your head and end it. That’s pretty grim, but it is the truth. Very few people will be able to successfully hide. If you wait until it has happened to get supplies, kiss your ass goodbye. Every week, buy a case of food and a box of bullets. Consider it a survival savings account. For those of you who are not aware, North Korea already has at least 2 EMP weapons in orbit. They are billed as being imaging satellites to help Korean farmers and foresters. If that was the case, there would be large data streams (images) coming down, but these birds are completely silent. Wonder who gave these to fatboy??

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    • Wannabe April 25, 00:11

      Yea the guest on levin last night brought up the point of NK having those satellites and could be armed with nuclear devices but we really don’t know. It has been suggested to just shoot them down but as we know, it has not happened yet. Hopefully fat boy will keep his word and start disarming nukes. Don’t want anything to escalate in that area.

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      • BaryonBonder April 25, 00:24

        Do you think they put hollow balls in orbit just to see if they could do it? They need to be intercepted over the Antarctic or the mid south Pacific and destroyed where there will be minimal damage. This is what fatboy is talking about when he speaks of retaliation. Anyone who would trust him for anything is a fool.

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  18. Wannabe April 25, 00:03

    Okay, as it has been stated, most electric items will be useless after an EMP. And we store some smaller items in feraday cages to protect them. EMP items in the cages might be protected and still be useful, but what good will they be if all the radio towers, and transmitters, and cell phone towers , and possibly satellites are all knocked out? Maybe ham radios are best bet because they can transmit far off from one radio to the other or smaller two way radios to talk one on one. Just seems like services will not be available for most devices

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  19. another Bill April 25, 00:45

    When prepping, I think about layers. For example I have a propane stove, a kerosene stove and a small wood stove. All of these can be used for food preparation, heating and illumination. Financially, I have a few bucks under the mattress, some silver, some gold and a little copper. Transportation, I have a pickup, a motor scooter (80 miles per gallon) and a bicycle I have a 3500 watt generator in a sound deadening box, am constructiong a 12 volt generator from an auto alternator and operated by the rear wheel of my bicycle, and I have soilar panels to charge my electric system. Just imagine how you will do in your situation and begin building layers.

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  20. Deena April 25, 01:15

    Has anyone thought that when an EMP does occur, no amount of Faraday cages will help with electronics. Phones will be useless as will computers. Who are you going to communicate with? Quiet possibly all wires dedicated for communication will be fried. Even in 1859 we had the telegraph and they became unusable except in some instances. I am concerned about my kids who go to school 12 miles from home. With no car to use and no farm animals, its going to be a long walk to get them.

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    • Rod April 25, 01:29

      Deena, you are correct that the majority of electronics that rely on infrastructure to work (cell phones, computers on the internet, TV’s, etc.) will be useless even if protected I would suggest getting something like the C.Crane Solar Observer and protect it (or a couple of them). There WILL be radio stations on the air and they will be transmitting information that you need. I have been involved in the program that sets these up and a lot of people are working every day to make sure these are ready when needed. At night you will be able to receive stations from long distances and possibly overseas as well. As far as schooling goes, I would hit the used book stores and get prepared to home school. A 24 mi. round trip to school on a daily basis is not feasible as our pioneers discovered, and they set up schools close to where the kids were out in the country. I do wish you and yours luck!!!

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    • Robert April 25, 03:42

      2 things you should look at getting, first get a bike, you could get a motor kit for it. make sure it does not use electronic to start. one with a pull cord to start it. also have a spark plug in a Faraday bag, just incase the plug gets fried by the EMP. Also get some good long range walkies talkies. put them in 2 faraday bags, give one to your kid to take to school and you keep one.teach them what to do with them and when they need to take them out to use. you also need to check the range of them to see how far they will work. I think it is not if the USA is going to be hit by an EMP, but when and i think it is going to be very soon, like less than a year.

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    • JakeTP April 25, 11:48

      Deena, I don’t know how old your children are but I would certainly develop a plan and rehearse / practice it with them and don’t let them forget it.

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    • Claude Davis Author May 1, 19:22

      Phones and computers will be useless, but radios won’t. That’s why you need to have at least a few handheld sets – they’re very cheap on Amazon – and should consider investigating ham radio or CB.

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  21. rednecktarheel April 25, 02:17

    We will all need firearms and lots of ammo to protect our family,food & water,property,etc. If You have a gun safe with an electronic battery powered lock, it will be history after an EMP rendering it useless to open the safe. My safes are all manually unlocked using the combination dials with no electronic locks on them that would get fried during an EMP attack. That is the reason I don’t like or buy the safes with electronics. Just thought I would mention this so maybe You can change over to a safe with a dial.Hope this posting helps someone.

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    • JakeTP April 25, 19:13

      Great point Redneck. I never thought of that. Fortunately only one of my safes is electronic and it’s a small one for paper docs.

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      • Rednecktarheel April 26, 02:15

        Thanks JakeTP. Sharing info and tips on this site is a tremendous way to learn and help others who are newbies or seasoned preppers. You would have to grind an opening in Your document safe. A torch could very easily burn all the paper contents. But a grinder could possibly start a fire inside the safe too the way they throw hot sparks around.

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        • Rod April 26, 02:49

          Maybe not all electronic lock safes that are generally purchased by the public are the same, but one that I regularly use has a key as a backup in case the electronic lock goes wonky.

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  22. Miss Kitty April 25, 03:40

    Hey, Rod. Would an EMP have any effect on separate components or say, a radio if there was no power connected? What about the old “crystal” sets we all built as kids? (Do they still make those kits?)

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    • Rod April 25, 16:04

      Miss Kitty, Any solid state device that is not shielded could definitely be damaged, whether or not it is connected to power or an outside antenna. Radio stations that prepare for EMP consider the equipment they use on a daily basis to be expendable and will rely solely on shielded, unconnected, equipment to replace the equipment that was fried by the EMP to get back on the air. They still make crystal sets, but if they use a solid state diode, that diode needs to be shielded. EMP blows open the junctions in solid state devices (transistors, diodes, IC’s) and opens or shorts wire coils such as those used in transformers, motors, and alternators. I personally carry a shielded C.Crane Solar Observer with me at all times. I like that radio so much that my wife and I gave all 5 of our grown children one for Christmas a few years ago. (I have no financial interest in the company, just a very satisfied customer)
      You can find a map of all of the stations that have been set up for emergency broadcasting here. http://www.ne-eas.org/pepstations/index.html

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      • BaryonBonder May 23, 00:38

        Not to be contrary, but what do you think your government is going to do for you???All you have to do is look at how they handled New Orleans (Katrina) and multiply that by 100,000 or so. Even the mayor was ripping off his own people. Totally worthless. Be prepared to self sustain, there will be no help. Get non-hybrid or “open pollinating” seed as it will reproduce itself from its own seeds where hybrid will not. Buy seed that is designed for your climate zone. If you keep it in sealed opaque mylar in the fridge (DO NOT FREEZE IT!) it should last 5-7 years. Rotate it out every year. Read up on the seed bank in Decorah, Iowa and talk to them, they will help you.

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        • CarmenO May 23, 21:58

          BaryonBonder, while I agree with most of what you say, I have to clarify something. Not all seeds have a long viable life. Some deteriorate faster than other. Examples are corn and the onion family. You should find out which ones last less and then purchase those seeds if necessary every year. Most seeds last a long time.

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  23. CarmenO April 25, 09:06

    To be honest if I had a choice of major disasters, an EMP would be mine. I’d miss my computer, but no much else. And I would prefer Fall, which means that getting to where I live, on foot, would be a no-no for anyone in the rest of the nation (or in my state’s major cities). First of all, it doesn’t matter if you car would work or not. Try finding a gas station that does not use electronics. We had one in my town until about 3 years ago. They closed shop. Any one who claims to be a prepper, should have at least half a dozen ways to cook or at least heat canned food; refrigeration forget it, unless it’s in my state during 7 months of the year, add two more if you are using cold water. Water collection systems (the old kind as in barrels, unless you live in a desert), waste disposal (Humanure book anyone?). Most ways to preserve the harvest (assuming you grow anything in your yard) have been around since before electricity, etc. Learn all you can, or at least get some books you can read, with the info. (Did I mention no computers?) If you live in sunny areas of the country, remember people can still walk. I’m staying put, cold weather (the colder the better) and a real prepper are the best combination in case of a EMP. By the way, my town has an old fashion water powered plant. Our water company actually has 9 of them in the upper half of our state. They use electronics but the old fashion stuff is still all there. I do have a number of Faraday cages, they used to be called Christmas cookies tins. And a super duper one for my solar power battery recharger.

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    • Hoosier Homesteader April 25, 12:52

      CarmenO, I don’t think you fully grasp what you just said. First and foremost, I mean no disrespect to you. An EMP isn’t a disaster you’d want to pick… Just re-read what so many have posted. It’s going to be Ugly. Disease-ridden. Deadly. A world of starving, desperate people. Nuclear plants melting down. A world poisoned by radio activity. You can’t prep for survival in a toxic world. And that, would be the End of our world as we know it.

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      • CarmenO April 25, 17:11

        Hoosier, I fully grasp what I said. Read again “if I”. That means me. Or do you think that because I said it, I’m going to jinx it and all of a sudden we are going to have an EMP thanks to me? Don’t be silly, that’s not how things happen. It sure beats a few of our old decrepit, falling apart, nuclear plants suddenly go boom, in a chain of events. Or the super volcano under Yellowstone spewing lava and rocks and smoke and causing another ice age, due to all the stuff covering the sunlight in the whole planet. Or all the huge faults under the US running amok and making the Navy map become a reality? What I mentioned means that people NEED TO PREPARE, like I’ve been preparing for the last 50 1/2 years. Plus, what you are saying is ridiculous, to say the least. Get real, 150 years ago people had ZERO electronics and somehow, surprise!, they managed to survive. EMP is not as likely as the plants blowing to kingdom come like the one in Japan that has contaminated the entire Pacific Ocean without a single EMP. Plus, this may come as a surprise but most people in the planet live in places with little technology and somehow there are 7,500,000,000 + people in the plant. You have been reading too many apocalyptical books. Or, maybe, the most stupid book of all, the nonsense call Strategic Relocation by the nutcase that recommend people go to Utah, a desert state, where the state government owns all the water, including rain and, get this, the gray water from everyone’s home, because Mormons have food storage. He forgot ‘and lots of guns and the LDS church says it is acceptable to shoot someone to protect your own’. LOL, ask me how I know. Plus, telling people to ‘go south, young man’, to hurricane region, with a few hundred million other people?? Sorry, for that little rant, don’t like the guy, think he is senile, and I’m his same age. I suggest you ready a really good book about how people used to live and all the things they did to become self-sufficient, even with a EMP.

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        • Hoosier Homesteader April 26, 11:39

          Hey CarmenO, like I said right off, I meant no disrespect to you. As I read your post my mind was thinking of the nuclear plants melting down because their backup systems are most likely gone after an EMP. …. Not anything anyone would want. Not much to live for if the whole planet is poisoned. I’m not a wordsmith, just a retired guy on a homestead. The “if I” must’ve got overlooked by me.
          You take care.

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    • Claude Davis Author May 1, 19:24

      Even if an EMP wouldn’t affect you much personally, it’s going to have a devastating effect on the whole country. That means a crisis that’s about as bad as it could possibly be. I think I’d prefer just about anything to an EMP except a full-scale nuclear war or planet-killer asteroid.

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  24. Wannabe April 25, 13:50

    I think I will very much miss talking to all of you if this happens. Won’t be able to get on ask a prepper and see how everyone is getting through the turmoil. Better learn all I can now.

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    • CarmenO April 25, 17:19

      Wise last sentence, Wannabe. I’m sure some people posting here have every intention of learning “some day soon”. When I was a child we used to make phones with two cans and a piece of string. Worked fine, if you were really close. lol

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    • Miss Kitty April 25, 17:40

      Gonna miss you too, Wannabe. I think that’s one of the biggest impacts that we HAVEN’T talked about much – the fact that we’ll be isolated in our own little corners of the world without the support and advice of our on-line group here. Even those with whom we agree to disagree not only have good advice and valuable information, but more importantly get us to THINK about alternatives. Bouncing ideas off others is a resource I will miss, and I will miss the camaraderie even more.

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  25. IvyMike April 26, 00:03

    I’ve always been skeptical about most SHTF scenarios, nuclear war, civil disturbance, world wide economic collapse, but have always lived a primitive life anyway just cause I like it. No power, no running water, sleeping on the ground, pooping in a hole? That’s not a disaster, that’s fun. But EMP worries me, just seems more likely the farther technology spreads among the little brown skin countries we always seem to be kicking around. Don’t count on NoKo disarming, we like to make fun of Kim and call him a lunatic, but he is a skillful politician with a well thought out strategy they have pursued successfully against opposition that falls little short of war. Reports came out after their last H bomb test that the blast collapsed the underground test facility, the bad news for NoKo being they also had their research and production facilities under the same mountain, so that the announced pause in the program is actually because they have to rebuild everything. Trump can bluster all he wants but bluster is their favorite game, and threats to destroy NoKo don’t scare them because we already destroyed every city, town, and indoor toilet in the country in the early 1950s. They rebuilt in a single generation. Could we?

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    • CarmenO April 26, 11:01

      “the little brown skin countries we always seem to be kicking around”? Wow, couldn’t you be a bit more offensive and condescending? Then you mention North Korea, which means that Asian nations are included under “little brown skin countries”. Here’s news for you. South Korea is constantly in the top 3 nations in the planet in mathematics and science, based on worldwide scores of students and lets not forget they beat the US in ENGLISH scores. The US is lower in the scale every year: it tied at number 28 with Italy which makes it 28 1/2. Lets not forget the other four small “brown” nation on the top 5: Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan and Taiwan. Get real when it comes to electronic all those nations beat the US, which is in free fall in that also. Your defense of “the little brown skin countries” says a lot about you. I happen to be from one of “”the little brown skin countries”, which is tied to the US, like it or not by zero choice, and I would bet my IQ against your IQ any day. Number one choice in degrees throughout said “little brown skin country”? Engineer. Right now I live in a state with number one degree in Social Services (about as brainless as it gets). I have an issue with people who see themselves as somehow superior to “”the little brown skin countries”. It takes a lot to make me angry, and you did a direct hit in one of them.

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  26. Rick45 April 26, 02:55

    Its going to be difficult for Canadians… especially those that border the United States. We’re going to have a real problem surviving the winter. Those Canadians who live in the Arctic, I believe, stand the best chance for long term survival with no electronics, simply because many of them already do. I am basing my own prepping on a lack of electricity. Every time we lose power, I go out and start the car. The day we lose power, and my car doesn’t start, I’ll assume the worst.

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  27. Jim April 26, 03:00

    There are lots of great books out there to help you through a process like this. One that I have found very informative is Dr. Arthur Bradley’s book on disaster preparation for families. You can buy one from his website called disasterprepper.com or from Amazon. Its a big book with lots of information. He also has written a fictional series called “the survivalist.” The characters in the books use lots of prepper ideas and it has great characters.

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  28. CarmenO April 26, 11:07

    Forgot to mention, according to the NSA (yep, the National Security Agency) website data, we beat the rest of the US in scores, also.

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  29. CarmenO April 26, 11:07

    Forgot to mention, according to the NSA (yep, the National Security Agency) website data, we beat the rest of the US in scores.

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  30. Justin Case April 29, 23:51

    HH
    I been watching and following your comments, wisdom and thinking. I first want to know if you are indeed in the Hoosier State as I am? If u r then I would like to get together somewhere and share a cup of coffee with ya. I have been blessed 3 ways from Sunday and my preps are well let’s just say I need to divide to concur. If u r interested to contact me just reply and we will find some way to meetup. If u r not interested , that’s ok also but let me know something.

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  31. Trooper May 22, 22:04

    After three days panic will set in across the country. People who take insulin or other drugs to stay alive will die the first six months. The cities will be in complete chaos, with looting, robbing and murders. After the first year one half to two thirds of the population will be dead. Stock up on ammo and guns now, start dehydrating food, know where a water source is near you. Pray you live in the country.

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  32. Rydaartist May 24, 02:57

    There is also something to be considered with seed storage, age of seeds. Some seeds age well, however germination rate can and will go down depending upon the species. Some by only 10%, but others up to 50% a year. That means no food.

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