If you’ve been part of a prepper community for any amount of time, you’ve probably heard the warnings. Someone new shows up, asks a lot of questions, and within a few months, the whole group falls apart or worse – people end up in legal trouble they never saw coming. It’s happened before and it will happen again.
This article is not about breaking any laws. It’s about protecting your privacy, your group, and your right to prepare for emergencies without someone using your words against you.
Why Would the Feds Even Care about Preppers?
This is a fair question. Most preppers are just regular people who want to be ready for natural disasters, economic downturns, or grid failures. There’s nothing illegal about storing food, learning first aid, or practicing self-reliance.
But federal agencies don’t always see it that way. Since the early 2000s, multiple Department of Homeland Security reports have lumped survivalists in with domestic extremist movements.
Whether that classification is fair or not doesn’t really matter for the purposes of this article. What matters is that it puts prepper groups on the radar, and that means informants sometimes get placed inside them.
This Has Happened Before (Documented Cases)
The FBI and ATF have a long, documented history of using confidential informants in groups they consider worth watching. Sometimes those informants are paid civilians.
Sometimes they are people who got caught doing something illegal and were offered a deal in exchange for cooperation. And sometimes they are undercover agents themselves.
Here are a few well-documented cases of federal snitches in prepper groups.
Ruby Ridge, 1992
Randy Weaver was a survivalist living off-grid in a cabin he built in rural Idaho. His legal problems started when an ATF informant pressured him into sawing off shotgun barrels below the legal limit.
When Weaver refused to become an informant himself after the sale, the ATF filed weapons charges against him. He was given the wrong court date, missed his appearance, and the U.S. Marshals came to arrest him.
The situation turned into an 11-day standoff during which federal agents killed his 14-year-old son and his wife, who was shot by an FBI sniper while holding their baby.
Weaver was acquitted of nearly all charges. His family received $3.1 million in compensation. The case became a defining moment for the survivalist community and remains one of the clearest examples of how a single informant interaction can set off a chain of events that spirals far beyond anything anyone intended.
The Hutaree Militia, 2010
The Hutaree were a small Christian survivalist group in Michigan who believed they were preparing for end-times conflict. The FBI infiltrated the group with an undercover agent who got in by claiming he knew how to build explosives, then took over that part of the group’s operations. A cooperating witness from another militia group also fed information to the bureau.
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Nine members were eventually arrested on charges including seditious conspiracy and weapons of mass destruction. But when the case went to court, the judge threw out the major charges, finding that the prosecution couldn’t prove an actual conspiracy.
Three members pleaded guilty to weapons possession charges and were sentenced to time served. After the acquittals, members filed a lawsuit against the federal agents who had infiltrated them, claiming violations of their constitutional rights.
The River Otter Preppers, 2014
Martin Winters led a prepper group in Valrico, Florida, that was preparing for an end-times scenario based on the Book of Revelation.
The group stockpiled food, weapons, and supplies in buried barrels across several properties.
An FBI undercover employee embedded with the group, and Winters – trusting this person completely – gave tours of his bunkers, showed off his weapons caches, and talked openly about his plans, including building booby trap devices designed to fire shotgun shells.
Winters and several members were arrested. He pleaded guilty to manufacturing and possessing destructive devices and was sentenced to 30 months in prison.
His co-defendant, a welder who had never been in legal trouble before Winters asked him to build the devices, got 18 months. The judge noted that Winters had done a lot of good in his community, but that his actions had pulled others into criminal territory alongside him.
The Wolverine Watchmen and the Whitmer Plot, 2020
This case made national news when the FBI announced the arrests of 13 men accused of plotting to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. The group had a strong survivalist training component, conducting firearms drills and tactical exercises. What came out during the trial was the extraordinary level of federal involvement.
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The FBI’s primary informant, Dan Chappel, rose to become the group’s second-in-command. He taught tactical skills from his Army background, provided a government-funded credit card for buying ammunition and supplies, and spent hours on the phone planning operations with defendants.
Defense attorneys identified at least twelve informants and undercover agents embedded among the suspects. Two defendants were acquitted outright, and two others received hung juries at the first trial before being convicted at a retrial. The case sparked a national debate about where the line sits between investigation and entrapment.
FBI Surveillance of California Militias, 2014–2019
A former Army corporal named Stevens was recruited by the FBI as a paid informant and spent roughly six years infiltrating militia groups in California. He attended around 20 meetings and training events, tracked attendees using mapping software, and wrote intelligence reports for his FBI handlers.
After years of this, Stevens said there was never any actionable intelligence – the groups weren’t planning anything illegal. But the FBI kept sending him back anyway. He later described himself as a government-paid spy whose job was to befriend people and find out what they were thinking.
The Intercept reported the case and stands as a documented example of surveillance being conducted on groups that had committed no crimes.
The Three Types of Informants You Might Encounter
The first type is the planted agent. This is an actual federal employee whose job is to infiltrate your group.
They tend to be more disciplined and harder to spot because they’ve been trained specifically for this kind of work. They usually have a solid cover story and won’t make obvious mistakes early on.
The second type is the confidential informant, often called a CI. This person is not a federal employee.
They are usually someone who got arrested or is facing charges, and the agency offered them a reduced sentence or dropped charges if they agreed to provide information. CIs are more common than planted agents and they tend to be sloppier because they haven’t been professionally trained. They’re also more desperate, which makes them push harder for results.
The third type is the unwitting informant. This is someone who doesn’t even know they’re being used. Maybe they talk too much at the bar, or they post group details on social media, or they have a relative in law enforcement who picks up bits and pieces over family dinners. These people aren’t malicious, but they can be just as damaging.
Red Flags That Should Get Your Attention
There are patterns that tend to show up when someone in your group is not who they claim to be. None of these signs alone is proof of anything, but when you see several of them stacking up in the same person, it’s worth paying closer attention:
- They keep pushing toward illegal territory. An informant has to deliver something to their handler, and the fastest way to do that is getting someone on tape talking about breaking the law. If a newer member keeps bringing up illegal weapons modifications or running through violent scenarios that go past self-defense, that person is either working for someone or they’re a liability.
- Their story has holes. Cover stories are built to survive a first impression, not six months of casual conversation. Someone claims they moved from out of state but can’t name a grocery store in their old town. Someone says they served but fumbles terminology any veteran uses without thinking.
- Their money doesn’t add up. A guy says he’s between jobs but shows up with fresh gear every month and never flinches at group expenses. The FBI paid one California militia informant around $30,000 over six years, mostly for travel and expenses. That kind of funding creates a visible gap between the life someone describes and the one they’re living. 👉 Here’s what makes agencies take an interest in your prepper group
- They want operational details before they’ve earned them. Someone who has been around for two weeks and already wants to know where supplies are stored, who carries what, and how the communication chain works is moving too fast. A person gathering intelligence will try to map the whole operation as quickly as possible. In any case, make sure you learn how to hide your stockpile in plain sight – no one, not even your prepper friends, need to know about it.
- They stir up conflict between members. An informant benefits when people are emotional and off-balance, because that’s when they say things they wouldn’t normally say. Watch for someone who carries gossip, plays people against each other, or becomes the trusted middleman in every disagreement.
- They want to record everything. Some people always want to document everything. If someone keeps pushing for photos at meetups, recording conversations, or writing detailed notes about who was there and what was said, that should raise a red flag, since it can mean they do not understand privacy or that they are quietly building a record on everyone. Watch the ones who use drones all the time too, as drones make it easy to map the area without drawing attention. 👉 How to Protect Your House from Drones
How to Protect Yourself
Prepper snitches can be anywhere, and they all have their own reasons for doing what they do. Your job is simple:
- Watch how fast people push for details. Anyone who wants to know where you store supplies, how much you have, or how your setup works within the first meetings is moving too quickly.
- Pay attention to conversations that drift toward illegal topics. If someone keeps steering discussions toward weapons modifications, traps, or anything that crosses legal lines, create distance.
- Look for inconsistencies in their story. People who aren’t genuine often slip over time. Small details stop matching, background stories change, or they avoid simple questions about their past.
- Limit what gets written or recorded. Messages, photos, and videos can travel far beyond your control. Face-to-face conversations are always safer than anything stored on a device.
- Keep things to yourself. Don’t volunteer details about your setup, your supplies, or your plans, not even to friends or family. Some things are simply better kept to yourself.
There’s also something else I would keep completely to myself. Not something you bring up in a group chat, not something you explain to people you barely know, but something you understand and build for yourself. It’s based on ideas that go back to Tesla-era experiments and the work of T. Henry Moray, who claimed he could pull usable electricity from the energy already present around us. His work was dismissed and buried, but the core concept never really disappeared.
The secret you should keep to yourself is the Moray Generator.
What makes it different is not just the story behind it, but how it was reconstructed into something usable today. The system shows you how to piece together a small generator using ordinary components – things like coils, diodes, and simple electrical parts – arranged in a very specific way that allows the device to capture and amplify surrounding energy. There’s no engine, no combustion, no solar panels, and no need for constant input once it’s set up correctly.
The result is a quiet, low-profile unit that can keep essential devices running without drawing attention or depending on the grid. It doesn’t look like much, which is part of the appeal. To anyone else, it’s just a small homemade setup. To you, it’s a layer of independence that will save your life when SHTF.
And once you understand its value, it naturally becomes one of those things you keep to yourself.
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If found, they will be judged harshly.
No Trust in “anyone” or any agencies of any kind.
Remember, it can be your family member that just might be the one to destroy everything.
It does not have to be a piece of .gov shit person.
it can be anyone…
Remember that…
stay sharp
PS: NO TRUST in anyone…
There watching US because they are scared of us.
Didn’t President Reagan say ‘Trust but verify’?
LOL
I do not belong to any group of any kind.
I keep to myself.
I certainly would never do anything illegal, knowingly.
Life is hard enough to have to worry about such things.
Actually with AI and the comm systems it is a constant
your never alone, as long as you have a cell phone, computer, or anything connected via inet , tracked instantaniously at that instant , never erased
written in thier agreements for you
they own everything in the cloud or internet
once said , stay s for a lifetime
this is why ( A. I. is so dangerous ) , not only words, written or oral
but characteristics of and patterns of Voice Recognition , your voice print
How you speak , how you write, use of vocabulary , all at the speed of light or fast as the computers can process
This include your backgrounds, your views, your ideaologies of life .
1chronicles 7:14 , john 14:6 all have the choice and will be tested to see who or what you really believe or follow , serve , or give alligeance to ( the 10 commandments )
Haven’t had a phone of any kind in years.
On the internet, I use someone else’s, even the computer I use is not mine.
I don’t buy anything online (no CC) and do not use my real identity for squat online.
Been that way for years.
The computer I use has no microphone or web cam.
Not much they can associate with me.
I was told by a cell phone company store person that I am a ghost.
They couldn’t find me online and my credit report is a fat zero with an address I used years ago.
The vehicle I drive is not mine either (I don’t own one).
Yes, sometimes it is hard, but I tend to manage.
Good article Kate, the theme is of the Feds infiltrating a group but the common element in each case is that they used a weapons charge to lower the boom each time. Everyone should should think carefully about which things seem tactically cool but put you just over the line (and on the wrong side of the line) if you have done something unrelated to bring attention to yourself. A bump stock, a barrel that is too short, a perimeter signal that gets deemed as a booby trap, or anything that they can paint a wrong picture of your intent, all of these give them a foothold for bringing charges. Be careful and be safe.
If “they” want to get you, they will. If you have a little metal nail file, it can be construed (by them) as a weapon. Someone said the average person violates one or more laws just about every day, knowing it or not. There are THAT many laws these days.
Even if they just charge you, and take you to trial, it can be enough to induce serious pain, irrespective of guilt or innocence. The mere process is the punishment in many cases, just look at the examples out there the last few years. I don’t even need to mention names, most of us here know them.
Maybe unwisely, my prepper group is my actual family … not that one couldn’t turn the corner, as there is history in that … but it starts with trust. Saving ones own families hide … should not involve attack scenarios, so illegal behaviors would be a major … I mean MAJOR clue. I don’t need to saw off gun barrels or build explosives for defense.
Thanks for the informative information, Kate:
A few words about militias may be helpful in this topic as a couple militias were mentioned in this post.
As many of the readers are I’m sure aware, there are two commonly referred to militias. One is identified as the organized militia, which is normally associated with the National Guard. The other is the unorganized militia, which is normally all eligible individuals over the age of 17. These folks could be called up in the event of a National Emergency, which would probably have to be very, very bad before this option was put into effect.
If a group relates to itself as a militia, a proper question to ask would be “Who is your point of contact in the National Guard?” If the person or group asked cannot provide a valid answer, this would suggest that their group is a private army. If it is deemed a private army, well, at least in my State, that is an illegal organization and prone to criminal prosecution. That wrote, there are a couple of States that consider a militia as something else. The message here is…That if a group presents as one that practices military tactics, demolitions, etc. or is inclined to consider itself as anti-government, they are borrowing trouble.
On a final note. The Fed may be the least of your troubles. As your group may be infiltrated by racist or other fringe groups who are looking to recruit your group for their purposes. Our group was back in the 90’s. However, that group in its original form is long gone now. Once the individual in our situation realized we were not interested in his ideologies, he moved on never to be seen again. r/Jeff
National Guard is absolutely NOT a Militia of any kind. Regardless of what claims to the contrary is.
The real name of it is ARMY National Guard, which denotes a State military.
Militia is civilian, not military.
Hey Jeff, thanks for jumping in and sharing your experience. The warning about fringe groups trying to infiltrate is something more people in the preparedness community need to hear.
You’re right that federal law recognizes an organized militia (National Guard) and an unorganized militia (eligible individuals 17-45). But the idea that any group without a National Guard contact is automatically an illegal private army isn’t quite accurate. Most states do have laws against unauthorized paramilitary activity, but what makes a group illegal comes down to specific conduct, not whether they have a Guard liaison. It really depends on the state.
The advice about vetting who you associate with and watching out for extremists is 100% on point though. Thanks for adding to the conversation!
Hello Prepper Staff:
Thanks much for chiming in on this. I appreciate your input as I’m sure so does the rest of the reading audience.
My logic for making the statement about National Guard and Private armies had to do with categorizing a person as a legitimate member of the Unorganized Militia. Reason being, if a member of the Unorganized Militia was really a member of this organization, they would have to be trained. This begs the question, “Who would train them?” If the individual asked could not tell who trained them, or more specifically, they used a source other than the National Guard or Federal Government, they technically, at least in my opinion, would not be a legitimate member of the Unorganized Militia. Hence, possibly (emphasis on POSSIBLY to reinforce your point) a member of a private army. I was in error about the National Guard training this militia. The following website clarifies they would be trained by Federal Forces.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Would+the+National+Guard+Train+the+Unorganized+Militia+if+it+were+called+up+by+Congress&cvid=3335fd38b8724d76bf40d9a1a229f0d3&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgYIABBFGDkyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQ6wcYQNIBCTI3MTAyajBqNKgCCLACAQ&FORM=ANAB01&PC=HCTS
Yes, I concur, paramilitary training is not specifically stated as illegal, provided the reason for it is not insurrection, revolution, riot etc. At least it isn’t in my state.
Thanks again for your input. r/Jeff
DONT be part of a militia, if you dont want to be tracked 24/7
figure it out.
If its just you and a few friends being ready, avoid being a military group, and thats easy if you remember that at the start.
never discuss anything more than the weather report around electronics, unless you want to hear it OUT OF CONTEXT, in a court room. Thats what the prosecution DOES.
Today, sadly, if anyone with some tech has a good recording of your voice, more than 10 words long, AI can make YOU say anything, play it to YOUR FAMILY, and THEY cant tell the difference. Remember that.
If your just prepping food etc, they should never have enough time to come after you. Would you invade a frat house, for 25 twinkies and a case of beer ?
Like the famous guy said when asked why he robbed banks, because thats where the money is. You dont have enough of anything legal to make it worth their trouble. So make sure you never sound like you do.
If they are the Democrat part of the Government….they will start a prepper group just to throw you in prison unless they can make money off you .Then hang you from the highest tree .If you catch on . Take care of yourself .The left wing of the bird is lame .
The authorities won’t be interested in you if you keep a low profile, if you only make improvements to your garden or live in an area where you can keep a chicken coop. But in the prepper community, it’s easy to fall into paranoia. If you build a planter in your garage for your garden, I don’t think you’ll have any problems, but if you shorten the barrels of your shotgun below the legal limit, you’ll cross a line that will put you in the crosshairs of government agencies.
First and foremost…
OPSEC at every level.
This is not just staying mum about your activities and what you or your group have or do.
Good OPSEC will cover everything mentioned in this article, at least in part.
New person coming into the group? Do not open-up about anything, no matter how small, for at least 2 to 4 years. This is true even if you have known this person for several years, but they’ve never shown any real interest in prepping or militias before. Make them prove themselves as trustworthy and loyal. Take that idea from the ‘Hells Angels’ and how they treat potential new members. Federal informants are, for the most part, not the most patient of individuals and federal agencies tend to get uncomfortable when the costs of maintaining and funding an informant go up. For them, the appearance of pouring money down a seemingly bottomless rathole can be just as bad as when they do take action and kill a few innocents or clearly trample on Constitutional rights.
Ronald Reagan said, “Trust, but verify.”
I would say, “Verify all information and only then, start to trust, but trust very slowly.”