The Cold War brought with it the constant threat of nuclear annihilation, so it is no wonder that hundreds if not thousands of bunkers were constructed during this time.
Some of these bunkers were attached to ICBM silos. In contrast, others were placed within cities so that the civilian population could shelter in place after a nuclear detonation.
Every family in America was encouraged to have a fallout shelter or know the nearest shelter locations. Many of these facilities have been abandoned and forgotten in the decades since.
However, these bunkers have been rediscovered in many places and ways. Sometimes homeowners will discover a fallout shelter in their backyard.
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Employees or contractors will find bunkers adjacent to schools, community centers, or other government buildings. Sometimes, the government will decommission and sell bunkers that they no longer use.
I compiled a list of a few of these sites, and the good news is that a few of them may be for sale.
Abandoned Missile Silos
Across America, there are missile sites that once held nuclear-tipped missiles. Some were smaller anti-aircraft missiles, while others were Intercontinental ballistic missiles.
As these bases were decommissioned, some of the sites were sold off while others were left to be retaken by nature.
There is an almost 7000 square foot underground launch complex outside of Abilene, Kansas, that used to house the Atlas-F ICBM.
Situated under a parcel of land 11 acres in size, there is also an above-ground 400 square foot Quonset hut and plenty of space to roam.
Roswell, New Mexico
Another Atlas missile silo is for sale 20 minutes outside of Roswell, New Mexico. It sits underneath an almost 9-acre parcel of land.
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While most of these sites have fallen into disrepair, this one has been partially refurbished to make it more habitable.
The deserts of southern Arizona were once home to eighteen Titan II missile sites.
Now that they have been decommissioned, many of these sites from Arizona have been bought by private individuals and often find themselves listed for sale.
One advantage to a dry climate such as Arizona is the likely hood of excessive water damage is significantly less than in other areas of the country.
Nekoma, North Dakota
Outside of Nekoma is a multi-billion-dollar missile complex that was only in operation for three days before being decommissioned.
The site is made obvious by the massive pyramid-shaped structure, which can be easily spotted from the fence line.
Unfortunately, the public is not allowed near the area. In addition, the tunnels were flooded, making it not a good option for your bug out plans.
Abandoned Communications Bunkers
When we think about a bunker, we often think about missile silos and fallout shelters.
However, there is a lesser-known style of bunker that you can often purchase. These are communications bunkers, which are underground facilities built and used by telecom companies.
These structures were to provide an underground hardened structure that could withstand the effects of a thermonuclear war and secure the country’s communications infrastructure.
Ft. Pierce, Florida
A 7700 square foot communications bunker built in 1967 due to its close proximity to Cuba was decommissioned by AT&T in the 1980s.
The bunker was bought in 2005 and sold again in 2013. This was another bunker that was as close to EMP-proof as one could get with its 30-inch-thick walls.
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A site in Kansas can be yours for $600k. Once, it was a power-feed station for one of AT&T’s hardened transcontinental cable routes. It sits underneath 10 acres and is advertised to be EMP proof.
Abandoned Fallout Shelters
During the Cold War, everyone was encouraged to build fallout shelters as a measure of protection in the event of a nuclear exchange.
As a result, many local governments constructed fallout shelters in schools, community centers, or other municipal and state buildings.
After the cold war, most of these fallout shelters were decommissioned and forgotten. Still, one of these cold war reminders is unearthed every so often.
Underneath the Oyster-Adams intermediate school lies a fallout shelter dating back to 1962.
It was able to house around one hundred people. It was relatively intact when it was discovered, with shelves lined with water barrels, rations, and medical supplies.
This bunker even had portable latrine facilities for the occupants.
Other Abandoned Bunkers
This complex has a history dating back to 1917 and was designed to protect New York from attack.
The facility at one time housed massive 16-inch guns. An enormous concrete casement was built during World War Two to protect the guns from air attacks.
The guns remained until they were made obsolete by Nike Missile batteries. After the fort was decommissioned, it was turned over to the National Park Service and they continue to be the site owner to this day.
Devil’s Slide Bunkers
At the top of a coastal peak in California sits another relic of the Second World War.
A cement bunker that once housed an observation and triangulation station sits atop a peak, threatening to slide off its perch at any moment. The site has been abandoned since 1949.
This bunker is probably not the best option for a bugout location given its precarious perch and prominent position.
Underneath White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia, lies a massive nuclear bunker that was intended to house all the members of Congress in the event of a nuclear strike.
This bunker was only 720 feet below the surface, so it would not have survived a direct hit from a nuclear warhead. Still, it did remain a secret until 1992, when its existence was revealed by a reporter from the Washington Post.
The bunker was immediately decommissioned because its secrecy was the bunkers’ only real defense. Today the public can take tours of the facility.
What I have complied here is only a tiny fraction of the abandoned underground sites and bunkers in the United States. There is far more dotting the landscape and forgotten to time and waiting to be discovered.
Yeah this is important for what reason?
To give you something to bitch about!
I don’t really get the point of the article….. Bunker history is neat but honestly what’s the point of it. “are you planning on moving into a abandoned bunker?”
Uhh many people are thinking of bugging out? I am just guessing here, but a bunker would be a better place to bug out to … than say the local 23 story Bank of America building in downtown?
Perhaps because it’s just a handful of interesting little tidbits… fun to read. Nothing serious to get worked up about.. just leisurely read time? But the bigger question.. the more head tilting WTH response garnering is: Kneel Before the Magpie? Really? Who the hell are you? You always have “More perfect absolutely correct answer”… and the rest of us are dumb asses sort of approach. You quote Bible stuff… but never edify. You tell others they’re probably too fat to run around the block… but I don’t see you on the cover of Muscle Fitness magazine etc. etc. etc.. Relax Bro.
He wasn’t breast fed
in regard to the “communications bunkers” >>> AT & T also has sold off their electric generating bunkers spaced across the country – leaving the large diesel generators, fuel tanks and even the diesel supply intake ….
Legacy technology, know how, equipment and supplies maybe all that we have that works in the future. These bunkers could and should be put to good use.
Didn’t Hitler commit suicide in a Bunker?
Let’s put biden in one and see what happens!
Basement… bunker… how can he tell the difference?
Unfortunately Chuckles , Pillosi, Shoemer are next inline. One just as bad as the other, useful idiots in potential being in charge.
Not a great outlook for more failure in the DC Swamp.
bob: for now…After the midterm election, Trump may be bossing the House. If he does have all the nazis arrested, then taken out of the country for their own safety (cough 🙂 that makes him automatic president. But, doing that means he only gets a 2 year term rather than a full 4. He could do a pro-tem, staying in as head till the 2024 election. niio
No Hitler did not commit suicide anywhere. They found a body double – sn aid of his…
He & Eva lived to a ripe old age in South America …bore several (female) children. That were given up for adoption – Including Angelina Merkel & the mother of Barry Soetero.
hitler had a son.
You my Friend… Are right over the 🎯.
rm p: hitler was a violent gay and listed as homosexual by his doctor. He wrote of Göring as die softig, a delicious fat woman. Göring wrote that his nights with hitler was like banging a god. The only sex we know hitler had with women, both were so traumatized they wound up in mental wards. One killed herself. The other one gave birth to his son, who later ran to the Allies and gave them all he could. He became a US citizen thru the Navy. hitler adopted the Vogel Jungen, a violent gay boys club, as the Jungen, putting Rohm, the founder, a pedophile and close friend to hitler, in charge. Rohm became too big for his britches, so hitler had to have him offed, along with a lot of Rohm’s brownshirts, men who came out of the Vogel Jungen. the rest were added to the Gestapo. Scott Lively
Ahhh. No that what “The Indoctrination Schools” tell us.
But, Adolf Hitler died somewhere in Argentina,
On February 13, 1962. See a Documentary “The Silver Wolf” before it is Deleted.
On a couple documentaries done in the past 5 years. Shows the Nazi’s with the blessings of the Catholic Vatican church help them travel to South America.
The Nazi’s were building some type of weapons and prison camps there.
The alphabet agencies like the FBI were reporting, investigating on the Nazi’s way back in the 1940’s. So what kids were taught in govt. public schools was tweaked.
To fit the bill while Russia & USA brought Nazi scientists in for their rocket programs.
Operation paperclip, that we know of to the public.
Oh the twisted spider web that is weaved by the ruling elites.
South America had a large German population spread around before the war. Maybe future safe houses for those criminals. What where the plans for a future Reich, to invade America maybe? Why did they pick South America for their escapes?
victor: it’s urban legend. My stepmother, a die Hess, knew him, and Russia proved they have hitler’s remains. While the Perons were nazis, they did not come to power till about 1947. hitler had far better places to hide. Spain, any Muslim nation, Mexico, even Stalin’s USSR, which adopted nazism and defeated the Bolsheviks thanks to aid from hitler. hitler killed himself on All Fools day, a day when Celts made human sacrifice to their gods. hitrler was a staunch New Ager, and is still called the 20th centuries primer channeler by new agers. He channels satan. FDR was one of his follower, and hillary the genocidal beast clinton channels FDR. All one. niio
bob: Nope. There’s a book out about how the Vatican risked everything to spy in nazi troop movements and reported them to Allies. Church of Spies: The Pope’s Secret War Against Hitler, Riebling. this is history, not urban legend. My Stiefmutter war Österreicherin und in der Schutzstaffel. A lot of Catholics followed Niemöller
and Bonhoeffer (Lutheran ministers) into death camps. niio
Victor, correction. Actually it is called The Grey Wolf and it is on Youtube for anyone interested. It’s an interesting theory. Thanks for the recommendation.
GREY WOLF : THE ESCAPE OF ADOLF HITLER
Ok TAL, you are my favorite person of the day.
Not for nothing, but with everything going on, I don’t follow this blog as much as I use too. That said, it’s the comments that I always found to be most helpful. Practical first hand advise from folks with the similar interests and more than likely, much more experience to share on the topics. than I. Lately, I have to tell you that I find what should be helpful useful comments splattered with this useless back and forth juvenile senseless banter. I am sure that the keepers of this site, do not appreciate bearing the expense of storing all this nonsense. If you don’t have something helpful to add to the discussion – come on – grow up – cut it out! You’er wasting everyone’s time as I a said at the top, we all are busy!
Hear Hear! It gets really old.
If EVERYONE (and i mean everyone!) would completely quit responding to raven, even in the rare instances when he’s not being a douche, he would eventually get tired and go away, this making this a much better place and little childishness.
Are all those Raven posters from the same person on these blogs? Or are they each from a separate person, just one Raven is annoying to the rest of the posters here?
I don’t know about you but I cannot afford to buy one. I bet if a community of like minded people could come together and buy one might be worth looking into.
Problem we can’t get people to agree on a lot of stuff in this country.
Have seen neighbors share a lawn mower for their yards. Then latter on someone breaks it and the friendly share program goes to hell in a hand basket. No one wants to repair it.
Well, then lesson learned! They probably shouldn’t have shared it in the first place. I speak from experience here, as I’ve lent out a lot of stuff to neighbors mostly tools for garden maintenance and house repair. My father always said “If you have the right tool the job is easy, if not it’s hard”. So I buy the best tools I can afford. Lending them out in a neighborly fashion, if I got them back, they were usually misused or damaged. So now for me, when it comes to neighbors “It’s neither a borrower or a lender be” unless I’m the one who is using the tool!
Paul, the time to buy was when they were being abandoned. They were going for pennies on the dollar. Right now, I think 400K is average. The wealthy are buying them. niio
Just how many feet underground would a bunker have to be to sustain a direct nuclear warhead? 720 feet and not deep enough.. wow.
It is unlikely that a nuclear warhead would be wasted on a decommissioned structure far from a population center. The good news about these facilities is they were designed for fallout survivability and to withstand blast radius shock waves. They have ventilation and water systems to support long term camping underground. I have been inside an Atlas base being converted to a living facility/home. The blast door is impressive and being secure from resource seeking individuals who would steal whatever, has security advantages.
Remember, we are talking about societal meltdown in the face of massive shortages…bugging out if urban areas, for safety alone, is probably a necessity. If you go to rural areas, your presence may not be welcomed unless you bring resources, information, skills needed for survival and are willing to share, not take by force.
A local defense company here in North Texas built a communication bunker back in the eighties. I toured it before it was ready for the equipment. It was only about a foot above the surrounding ground which was basically flat. I thought with an extended rain event that could be a problem. Sure enough it filled to the top with water. Not from water over topping but the holes for all the wiring where it entered the bunker.
A rancher who got rich from the Fracking boom in North Texas built a multi billion dollar bunker only to have it fill with water. Choose your site wisely and consider the ability of water to find the tiniest hole to infiltrate.
Water seeping in is a valid point for anything we might build underground, including root cellars.
Yeah, heard about that…me, I am looking at that Supercollider site in Waxahatchie. Lol
The plans of mice and men……
bob: Like the Bible tells us, what man devises, man destroys. niio
I think this is incorrect. The old Atlas ICBM bases were in full radius of ABILENE TX, not Kansas!
I think you are referring to the NIKE anti-aircraft installations most of the US major cities had surrounding them ……
We had BOTH. Dyess AFB
I’ve wondered if there are any by what is now the Joint Reserve Base in Ft worth (Carswell AFB at one time. A SAT base)
Great! All I need to do is buy a billion dollar bunker, spend another hundred million refurbishing/repairing it. Then hope the government doesn’t declare eminent domain and take it back because they’re afraid they’re gonna fight a nuclear war. I’d bet big money there’s a clause in any sales contract that the government can do that without paying fair market value.
Many U.S. coastal areas have old WW1 and WW2 bunkers that were built incredibly well. They wouldn’t be a place to actually camp out in if there is an active government but maybe would be a place to run to if there was enough time before the missiles hit. A relative of mine lived by a park that had extensive underground concrete rooms. I suppose at a good fast walk, a person would have made it from my relative’s house to the bunker in 20 min. Interestingly, there might be a lot more space underground than was accessible to the public as I saw several sealed rusted metal doors down there.
Depending on location of the bunkers, they do get inspected periodically.
Thanks to the scandalous Clinton Administration the much improved accuracy of the Chinese nuclear warheads is something to worry about these days.
After reading the well researched “One Second After” by Wm Forstchen, I now know that an enemy does not need to have the nuclear warhead hit the ground to decimate the nation. Just detonating it higher up in the atmosphere would allow it to expand and create an EMP that would bring a nation to its knees. Land is saved, populations not accustomed to being electricity-less would eventually die, most folks that do survive are better equipped to assist in nation-building. Wait a year and wa-la, a new land to proclaim yours. No one needs a bunker after all to survive a nuclear blast. Knowledge would help tho.
You’re so right. It would be so much smarter for a country that wants to invade us to do something like that. Look at the new version of Red Dawn they did exactly that. It basically crippled or country and invaded at the same time. No nukes hitting the ground or causing damage to anything other than our communications and electrical grid
Your right, China has units in Canada, Mexico and some covert units in the USA.
Hay, they are buying up lots of American farmland for their own people. Our land is being sold by our politicians as an appeasement for all the money they borrowed from China.
When did they barrow the money and why did the American voters not have a say?
Bob, without a doubt, at some point in the future we will have some thing like Red Dawn here. It will be up to all of us to go to war against the invading Chinese or Russians. It’s only a matter of time.
Well lets hope you old farts aren’t in the retirement homes…. then
debunked dizzy raven. LOL, after Pappy died at the very young age of 57 from coal miner’s asthma, Nana went back to college and finished her study in dietetics. an old folks home hired her fast and she worked as cook and then moved to kitchen management. One thing that made her laugh yet want to cry was the old foggies who refused to want to live. One was only about 40. There were maybe a half-dozen who were older. Anyone who survived to be in their 60s was outside sunbathing or playing catch, political discussions and debating. Books, puzzles, and chess as well as checkers. When they had a baseball game, Nana was always picked because Nana, a farm girl who grew up in a coal mining village, was still a tomboy. After she knocked out two upper story windows in one game, homeplate faced down into the woods. she was pretty good at debating as well. Most folks who grew up in upper poverty and lower middle class tend to be. Like she would tell us kids, a mind is a terrible thing to waste. Today, you younger generation have the highest suicide rate of all generations before you. We do have a high one, but that’s because of you anti-God liberals.
okay, so listing a bunch of abandoned bunkers is for what purpose? Is 100,000 or more people somehow supposed to make plans to Bug-out to a decrepit non-functioning bunker?
Maybe it is just some information to get your brain percolating. Otherwise known as “food for thought…”
Sabel, my mind is far beyond pondering about possibly bugging out to an abandoned “bunker”, I have better plans and priorities. This is an “entertainment read”, but not really valuable for serious survival options, maybe for last ditch, “nowhere else to go” information, but really not feasible for the majority of people if you really want to survive.
dz: As someone respected for his mind, II don’t feel I should have to explain, but… these sites sold for pennies when abandoned. Now, 400K is an average price.
One or two come to mind that were converted to ‘eco-friendly’ apartments with greenhouses and space for livestock. all wastes run into grinders and are sprayed over redworm beds and for black soldier flies, then drain into a methane digester. Water is used to fertigate plants and filters thru gravel and soil to run into fish tanks. All electric comes from the methane but some are also tapping geothermal (newer silos and bunkers are equipped for that). Electric feeds air flow and grow lights. That also creates a mild solar-effect in all places there are humans and livestock. Water is supplied by rain and snow, and moisture collected from the air as it’s exchanged with outside air. The design was developed by the military for NASA. One even has a cemetery where the deceased are buried in a garden and any run off goes to the methane digester. A couple of cousins retired from USAMRIID (one nearly died in the Hot Zone) bought into a WV village based on this. Above ground homes are modest, circa late 19th century and look just like most homes in other towns. The rest is all underground and independent of the grid. niio
and how is that going to be helpful to the majority of preppers? either not available, not functional, or unaffordable.
If you along with thousands of others were looking for a last ditch temporary “shelter”, then maybe but only if close enough to reach in time. If someone had the funds to try to purchase / refurbish an old bunker, they would be better off building a new one with much better location and technology.
dz: what thousands of preppers? Please clarify. What these people are doing is spending their own money to experiment, to teach others, and are still producers, even when old. those who invested in silos and bunkers are today well-off because they got them cheap and refurbished them. Now, they can sell apartments and so on in areas where the population is low and conservative.
I was raised in Appalachia and most folks are preppers because it was handed down to them to prepare. From Maine to Florida mountain people know pretty much what to do and how to do it. You can still buy bail jars in the hills because people use them when they can’t afford caning lids. Make friends with farmers and you get half a hog or side of beef raised in a pasture, not a feedlot. For that matter, for a little extra, tell them what sausages you need and ask if you can help. go to NYC where classes in butchering and raising poultry and goats are popular. Country people are the vanguard of prepping. Few of us had an idyllic childhood because we were given work at anything we were old enough to do. going out to play? Check the traps for crawdads. keep an eye out for wild rabbits and let the adults know. For turkey and squirrels. Are the berries ripe, yet? Take the buckets so Mom can make blueberry jam or blackberry cobbler for dinner. And we had fun doing it. Teasing rattlers and copperheads but do not kill them. If you do, the hogs would love a bite. City kids would see it all as work, but we were prepping even as preschoolers. niio
red, the vast majority of SHTF articles always refer to the thousands of looters and evacuees trying to escape whatever the SHTF situation is, and also how a lot of preppers have plans to bug-out, it’s Those thousands that will be heading to what they may consider a “bunker” because they did not make plans to go somewhere else. Do you really want to go to some bunker or shelter and discover hundreds or even thousands of others had the same ideas? Like I pointed out, if you have the funds, you are much better off building your own in a better and undisclosed location, with better technology for both the design and materials/equipment.
dz; No one is arguing with you. But, bunker doors are usually heave steel reinforced concrete, and there should be several sets. Once locked down, forget anyone getting in or out. Any bunkers I mention are already taken. Already set up. There was one east of LA that hippies used, then drug smugglers. Cops tried explosives, but still had to starve them out. A developer bought it and aired the stink out, then had it cleaned and refurbished. It was a lot cheaper to pay 20K for an abandoned bunker fix-er-upper than build one for millions of dollars. Fam in WV bought in a village that was completely undermined for coal. Fam in PA are going the same. All said and done, to each their own. I’ll take my chances living under the sun. niio
We should have bought while they were cheap. Many were sold for peanuts after no longer used. Now, one in Arizona is offered at 400K. niio
China doesn’t have to buy land Bill Gates it buying for them.
They already own a 1/3 or more of the food production plants in the US.
Yup they do.
There are lists on line of all the food and energy manufacturing plants that have had explosions and fires in the last couple of years, along with endless mysterious barn fires at farms that start in the middle of the night. Even the CCP owned manufacturing plants have had fires.
Another Food Processing Plant Shutters Operations, Adding To Long List Of Closures
Sage: antifa is believed to be behind much of it. Hitler was a vegetarian and antifa is supposed to be, as well. As hitler demanded, all liberals strive to obey. niio
All the more reason for using knowledge and skills to resurrect self sufficiency skills. Growing useful, food plants in containers and raised beds, to not have to depend on supply chains to grocery store, filled with processed garbage.
My grandparents were products of 2 WWs and the Great Depression. Their success is highly attributed to 3 things in my opinion:
1) raised on a farm, equipped with lots of practical life skills and work ethics
2) a willingness to trade labor and skills with others…to abandon a monetary focused economy
3) a community view…working with neighbors to help others…largely from their faith backgrounds and cohesiveness in rural communities; they brought that with them to large Midwestern cities.
Prepping isn’t just about individual survival or just your own family… it should include relationships with other like minded people and hopefully a plan to work toward larger goals in groups together. Humans are social creatures, and honestly, we do better in groups together, combining resources.
MissMac: dz is experimenting with container growing. He’s in San Diego and you should exchange ideas. niio
Gateway Pundit has a list of all the fires, explosions, etc. that have closed down food production, fuel production and distribution.
Are there any decommissioned bunkers near State College Pennsylvania?
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APPRECIATE Claude’s great under–reported survival info like shelters.
10 yrs ago I went down every aisle in Lowes & Home Depo & saw N95 masks for future reference, 5 years ago, I only got 1 expensive N95 mask –good precaution against something? SUDDENLY, one day in china SOMETHING happened.
I worked decades in law enforcement & MANY of us are survivalist. Everyone can come to us on a crimescene & we will have unusual emergency tools, battery backup, 1st aid or phone info. You NEVER EVER know what you’ll need nor when you’ll need it..
When Covid occurred many cowrkers asked me if I had N95 masks. Yep! I got them for my family, friends, everyone in MY unit at the police department, & my LIBERAL Minister (who now asked me for a Survival presentation in a Church service [there is a God]).
Now, ALL my closest friends & colleagues have emergency survival getaway bags. And, I forwarded Claude’s Ask a Prepper info to get them great emails.
I don’t expect to ever have funds to build a bomb shelter. BUT, it is great to see what government ones look like, where some may be & where some soil is that may support such. … just… in case.
A 4 mil$ mansion several blocks from my house is digging a huge underground hurricane shelter. ….hummm, I wonder if the water table in my little back yard is deep enough to put in a small shelter???
At the worst I can see if I can put in a well & hand pump like Granny’s. This used to be a cow ranch with wells for the cows. Was there anthrax in Florida? Does it go into the aquafer? Can it really last 300yrs.? THIS is why we share weird info.
💻……Dear Claude…. Long time since we spoke… How’s your off-grid water pump working… How’s your family…. My democrat family moved to a socialist island country in europe…. & without much of the wothless survival stuff I had gotten them (but with 4 china sets) ….. Not like war in europe suddenly starts there for no reason…. 1917,1939,1945….. 2022… You can lead a horse to water…. So, speaking of same, what do you know about well water on former Florida cow land…?
Why would you still attend a church with a false leaders and a anti christ types….. all they do is lead the flock astray
Meg why blame God for the asinine works of man? Church is a family. niio
sounds like an Elohim cult to me
the pores in N95 masks are a lot larger than COVID virus, so the virus just passes right through. In plain language – N95 masks don’t work to prevent transfer of COVID viruses.
N95 masks are designed for construction/utility type work, such as sanding, cutting, even dusty work outdoors like weed-whacking. N95 masks were not intended to stop viruses, but the propagandists were fraudulently promoting the mask mandates even though it did nothing to stop the spread of viruses. Looks like a lot of “insiders” were involved in a lot of profiteering by deceiving the public over a flu virus.
THANK YOU, dz for pointing out the lack of total protection from N95. 👍
But, everyone did the best we could. We originally used them at work to help protect us from fentanyl exposure on death scenes & black dusting powder. Not perfect, but the best we could do.
I was pointing out how important it is to give & listen to information. I was primarily mentioning that as an example of preparing ahead of time: obtaining what one can afford & investigating where you can buy items in an emergency, when you can’t stock up. AND, not preparing & having to depend on those who did.
Also, to remind that we should share when we can afford it in an emergency. Especially, those who’s vital work puts them in harm’s way.
Carla: dz has the experience and know-how!
In WWII the feds were telling people how to make their own gas masks. As I recall, it was ground black walnut shells which neutralize a lot of stuff. I know it’s good against fungus and some virus and a lot of bacteria. LCC, if he comes back, ask him. He should know. niio
I’m betting it’s the outer skin that the nut is covered in and you can get that when the nut starts falling off the tree. I do leather work and you can use that very same husk to color leather. DZ correct me if I’m wrong. I’d also like to know.
I don’t know how to make filtering material from walnut shells. For true protection from viruses, you have to use a high grade mask with filters specifically designed to stop flow down to microns, something like 0.01, similar to water filters, but for air.
The gas masks even one’s issued to the troops are not very effective in a most bio or chemical attacks. The filters cost to much and are, often outdated
Carroll: dz is right, but black walnut shells still contain Juglans oil which is good to kill pathogens. Hulls are much better!
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Are black walnuts good for you?
Trappers would save the hulls and boil traps in them to kill the scent of human on then. Hunters would take a soak in them before going out. skin problems or insects (lice, fleas, flies, mosquitos), people did the same.
The hull and leaves make a good dye (shells work, but not the same extent). White vinegar was added to help set the dye, but ammonia was used by professional dyers.
the filters I was thinking of were peach pits. Yummy, all that cyanide 🙂 niio
Alright I’ll ask again does ANYONE know if a bunker was 720 feet underground and it wouldn’t make it with a direct hit from a nuke, just how deep would it have to be? Also just how thick would a box made of concrete have to be to survive an EMP? What systems are there to provide oxygen if there are no vents inside this concrete box because of poisonous gasses and radiation fallout or just to be completely sealed from the outside? Do they even make such a system? I’m just trying to think ahead and need any and all information for a possible build.
Carroll: Try a cave but make certain it’s beefed up well because of earth quakes caused by ground blasts. I never heard of anyone but a government going that deep. All I can find is, unless you’re under a direct hit, there’s no need to go very deep. But, how deep is enough? Even back during bunker mania I think the feds said 5 feet of dirt was enough for what they had then. Modern nukes are not meant to destroy real estate, but kill all life. Like a woman in house of lords said, at last, Buckingham Palace’s sewers will be free of rats. I live far enough away from military bases in AZ I don’t own a Geiger counter. niio
One of the latest political installments by this current admin, is for the deputy assist. secretary of the nuclear waste fund. In charge of the $45 billion agency is a guy who wears make-up and high heels plus does other weird things most people could not imagine. He will be so focused on his fashion sense that, who knows if any bunkers, etc. will slip by his purview.
Hotel: A lady over in New Mexico was a columnist for ranch wives at Ruidoso News. Every time they had guests at round up, her horses trained by her were loaned out, without her knowing it, her tack, and she still had to cook for all of them. to make matters worse, it was often her husband or the kids borrowing and not returning things. After she got bucked off by a green colt 2 miles from home and had to walk home to find the horse had rolled to get ride of her 600 dollar saddle, she vowed a mother’s revenge. she went to the saddler’s shop and paid for a new saddle and new tack. All dyed pink. She bought tool handle paint and had the hardware store dye it passionate pink. Bought a new tool box and painted it bright pink. took her truck to a garage and had they paint in pink, Hot Mama! all over it with pink kiss-lips and hearts. After that, tools need to repair things in the house stayed in the tool box, n one borrowed her clothes, her tack, truck or her horse. Even their brahma-crossbred cattle were easy to work because one look at her in pink on pink tack and they ran. The only one she felt sorry for was the horse, who looked a little embarrassed by her. niio
When people ask to borrow my tools, I tell them I’d prefer they borrowed my dog. It knows how to come home by itself. ha ha. the other line, I chuckle at, is when you do loan them something and they bring it back broken, and say “no really. It was like that when you gave it to me”.